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01/07/19 at 16:11:49
 
When I first learned of the Livewire a few years back I was excited for Harley. It was a bold move for a company that was always slow to move. Then in recent months with all of the talk of how HD's traditional customer base has stopped buying motorcycles there was much hope that HD's electric future might even save the company. Harley has a lot riding on that Livewire.

I don't think that's gonna happen.

The Livewire looks like a fine motorcycle, but at $30,000...Harley Davidson's days are numbered. They put a lot of R&D into a product of which they will move few. Low production motorcycles will not sustain HD's infrastructure, or future R&D.

HD really needed a home-run hit with the Livewire, but they just hit a bunt right to the pitcher and I don't think that they're gonna make first.
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Reply #1 - 01/07/19 at 20:52:44
 
I wonder how many millions of dollars worth of Harleys are parked in garages around the world with literally Hundreds of dollars worth of use on them.
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Reply #2 - 01/08/19 at 03:35:53
 
Kentucky is threatening to raise the fuel tax $0.10 a gallon....and that got me wondering about an electric vehicle - my trip to work is only 9 miles each way.  If I had an electric vehicle.......I pay "ZERO" taxes for riding on the highways and contribute nothing toward road repair.

At a going rate of $16,000 - $30,000 for an electric motorcycle.......it appears I am just going to have to pay the tax increase like everyone else.  Electric motorcycles are a long way from being a cost effective mode of transportation.....unless you live in an area that supplements the cost with tax breaks, free parking and charging - and allows other folks to supplement the cost of your electric vehicle.  If you are looking for cost effective transportation......seems to me a $3,000 used bike and $13,000 - $27,000 worth of gas money will get you farther than a new electric motorcycle!

(The shameful thing about the road tax increase in Kentucky - is them taking money out of the road taxes and diverting it to the General Fund.....to pay for shortcomings in other places in their budget like the underfunded retirement accounts and refugee programs).

From work I can drive 4 miles over into Ohio.....and buy my gas cheaper - so that will likely be my plan for avoiding the tax increase.
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Reply #3 - 01/08/19 at 06:02:25
 
NY has tossed around a per mile tax for years. So far they haven't done it. But I'm sure it will eventually come to pass. Our elected officials never met a tax they didn't like.
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Reply #4 - 01/08/19 at 12:01:59
 
Yeah, $30k???  That's probably why they pulled out of their partnership with what looks like the now-defunct Alta Motors.  They have/had supermoto and dual-sport bikes for $13k and were looking to add some cool street bikes to the lineup.  Probably for under $15k.







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Reply #5 - 01/08/19 at 12:08:02
 
Dave, this could be you on the way to the office!

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Reply #6 - 01/08/19 at 12:37:41
 
That slide appears to be low enough.........that it is technically a "crash". Huh

Just because you may be able to pick it up before is stops sliding....doesn't mean your are still "riding" the thing.
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Reply #7 - 01/08/19 at 16:33:14
 
I don't think that bar end is quite touching the pavement.
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Reply #8 - 01/08/19 at 21:35:02
 
Dave wrote on 01/08/19 at 12:37:41:
That slide appears to be low enough.........that it is technically a "crash". Huh

Just because you may be able to pick it up before is stops sliding....doesn't mean your are still "riding" the thing.


Remaining in control and able to ride away is not a crash. However it may classify as a close call , luck , God looking after you , or Skill. I would much prefer luck than skill !
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Reply #9 - 01/09/19 at 07:21:44
 
Ruttly wrote on 01/08/19 at 21:35:02:
Remaining in control and able to ride away is not a crash.


I am not sure that fellow pulled that bike back up from that slide.....I suppose it is possible.

What is that thing on the road under his boot.
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Reply #10 - 01/09/19 at 07:27:29
 
It's a boot slider, much like a knee puck, it's purpose is to protect the sole of the boot.
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Reply #11 - 01/09/19 at 07:54:25
 
Gary_in_NJ wrote on 01/09/19 at 07:27:29:
It's a boot slider, much like a knee puck, it's purpose is to protect the sole of the boot.


That doesn't look anything like the steel shoes I am used to seeing in flat track.
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Reply #12 - 01/09/19 at 10:19:09
 
Yeah that's  no steel "hot shoe" , if you look close it looks like it may be plastic(no sparks) but I see a tiny red hot ember at the end of the handlebar.
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Reply #13 - 01/09/19 at 10:57:53
 
Flat trackin happens on dirt. That crazy SOB is on pavement so in order to NOT make a spark show, it's a polymer.
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Reply #14 - 01/10/19 at 02:13:48
 
GOF wrote on 01/08/19 at 16:33:14:
I don't think that bar end is quite touching the pavement.


If you look carefully, there's a tiny spark at the very end of the bar end.

Methinks the guy is literally losing it.
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