"So lets be honest and stop pretending facts are what's driving us because none of us live on the border. Why are you so adamantly against a wall? And don't tell me its money or because you believe drones will do a better job."

 Why are we not allowed in your assessment to state we believe that DHS can utilize modern, proven technology that is in use today, successfully, by other organizations such as the US Navy?  

 How is it that other locations can be secured, and are actively secured by modern tech but this one circumstance requires a physical wall?
 
 Also why is cost not to be considered?  Do you truly believe an infinite amount of money should be spent on a physical barrier?

WebsterMark wrote on 01/11/19 at 07:14:53:



I love it when repubs talk about how "deficits don't matter"... except when democrats make the spend.

So much hypocrisy.

None of you has brought up how much the deficit has grown under trump.

How about that?

[quote author=053730212637201F332039520 link=1546780757/30#44 date=1547214137]You put up "your facts" and I'll put up "my facts".

The reality is, as every good sales guy knows, we all make emotional decisions and justify them afterwards with selected "facts". And that is a fact.



let's start and END here.  so, what emotion is driving you to build the wall??  could it FEAR!!?????   I bet it is. isn't it? the FACT that you can't admit that makes you a shallow worthless human being.  

the emotion that makes me NOT want a wall is called "empathy" yeah yeah I know you've never heard of that before so here's the definition:

em·pa·thy
/ˈempəTHē/Submit
noun
the ability to understand and share the feelings of another.

and these people feel that they can have a safer, better living here, and in the fairness of ALL MEN CREATED EQUAL, I say, let's give them that shot.  make them all legal and give them tax ID numbers and then increase the security at the legal entry ports to search for drugs.  

it it LITERALLY anti-American to do anything else.  the British, French, Dutch, Germans, Spanish, etc...  didn't get legal permission from  the Native Americans to come here, but we all dare ask it from these people, fleeing and seeking to come here for EXACT same reasons our ancestors came here???   spare me your BS, YOUR SCARED, you're buying the lies and the fear.   You're worthless, get the behind me SATAN.

"Sneaking on a military base or your other example isn't comparable. If you snuck on a base, you have no place to 'disappear'. "

 So you are saying that using methods that identify a person prior to entering a secure area isn't comparable access control?  The successful programs aren't ones going around finding people, planes, boats that sneak into secure areas, they are stopping them before they even get close to the borderline in 3 dimensional space above, on, and below water.  From a square footage to manpower perspective CBP has more manpower per square foot than any of the armed services.

 A wall built at near three times the cost in mountainous terrain where a response time of hours from CBP, is not going to provide substantial delay.  Are you really unaware of how fast an unmanned wall can be breached by a group of humans?  But since cost isn't an issue just spend the money even if the wall in that specific geographical location isn't delaying anything.

"The wall forces methods to get across or under that take time and limit the numbers. Easier to spot and capture."

 Again this assessment does not correlate with people who do the job now.  CBP, AZ National Guard, US Navy, ICE, DHS, are all wrong, people who do not do the job and never have can explain how a wall will work in every single geographical location along the border in one simple sentence.

 How could all those professionals be so blind about how easy a fix it is, and not realize that people who have never been in the environment are just better at solving the problem?

You plan pn flying drones over Mexican airspace and then deploying agents to meet the illegals where they cross?

From a square footage to manpower perspective CBP has more manpower per square foot than any of the armed services.

If that's true, why do we have a problem now? I saw a reporter yester walk back and forth across the border. No one around for miles. They showed dozens and dozens of campsite illegals use while crossing. Why weren't they stopped?

But I'm outta here for a while. On my way to an airport.....which is surrounded by fencing and monitored by cameras. You'd have to cut the fence or tunnel under to get in. You'd get caught because the fence slowed you down. With no fence, dozens of you cross at various points....

As you know I do not post and participate in this lunacy much anymore but I have to give my opinion here. For three DECADES both the Dems and the Rep have been talking about securing our Southern border. They actually passed a Bipartisan bill that said the wall MUST BE BUILT. Did they do it? NO. OBAMA, Hilary, Shumer, Pelosi and Trump have all called for the building of a barrier over the last DECADES.

Do they hate brown people? NO
Do they want to stop immigration? NO
Are they racist and hateful? NO

They all understand one thing. There has to be CONTROL. For Pete's sake we all have EMPATHY! We all understand that allowing workers into the country is good for the US. But we have LOST CONTROL.

Why is Trump so adamant about this? Because HE understands that if we go back to DEBATING the issue it will be more DECADES until anything is done. Is the wall a fix? NO, not unto itself, but the first thing you do to control a situation at home is shut the door. I don't care what kind of wall they build, I don't care how they fix it, that is their job. But I do want them to fix it. NOT DEBATE IT. FIX IT. DO SOMETHING. EVEN IF IT FAILS AND WE HAVE TO TRY SOMETHING ELSE. DO SOMETHING BESIDES berate each other and DEBATE FOR ANOTHER 30 years.

For those that want to discuss empathy have you ever thought that if they could not get here they would not come! They take the risk of dying, rape, children lost, all of the horrors you hear of not because we don't let them in but because they know we will. If you shut it down and they know that then they will not take that risk.

This Forum is the perfect example of what is wrong with this country. Instead of pointing fingers, berating and telling everyone why you can't do anything.  Why don't we focus on what WE CAN do and then DO SOMETHING. ANYTHING. If it doesn't work out we punt and try again. People are dying out there and all you guys care about is who's fault it is and finding absolution for yourselves.

MShipley wrote on 01/11/19 at 12:35:09:


Trump has pounded the wall message since day one of his candidacy because it polled well with Republican focus groups.
Why is this "crisis" happening 2 years into his term, after losing control of the house?...

Do you have any crisis that you wait 2 years to do anything about?.
If you do,... is it really a crisis?...

Trump's crisis is Russia... the wall is a rallying cry to hold on to the base as the facts of Trump's Russian collusion come to light.
The wall is chum for a shark feeding frenzy.

Serowbot wrote on 01/11/19 at 13:10:41:



*taps mic*....

Is this thing on?