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Re: If it's immoral to use a wall
Reply #45 - 12/29/18 at 06:32:09
 
batman wrote on 12/28/18 at 22:08:22:
When are we going to build a wall to keep the Canadians out? They cross our borders everyday ,and their stealing high paying jobs! It's funny that no one has ever been concerned about them.


When I see comments like this, I wonder if someone is joking or is that obtuse. I'm not sure Bat, which is it?
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Reply #46 - 12/29/18 at 08:01:30
 
 I was trying to show how silly it sounded to be spending 5 billion + on a wall that someone will find a way to go over, under , or around .   What are we building Fortress America? what ever happened to "give me your poor ,or tired and your weak"  America has become a runaway train ,flying off the rails ,and Trump is the engineer. Did the Berlin wall stop people from escaping ? If you think a wall will stop a determined people from entering this country to seek a better life ,than I think the dumbing down of America must be nearly complete . It is the people who think this wall will solve the problem that are obtuse.                    
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Reply #47 - 12/29/18 at 08:24:26
 
batman wrote on 12/29/18 at 08:01:30:
 I was trying to show how silly it sounded to be spending 5 billion + on a wall that someone will find a way to go over, under , or around .   What are we building Fortress America? what ever happened to "give me your poor ,or tired and your weak"  America has become a runaway train ,flying off the rails ,and Trump is the engineer.

"...When are we going to build a wall to keep the Canadians out?..."
Correct, their is no wall, to speak of.
Their are sensors in the ground, that now can differentiate the differences between animal & human.

"...They cross our borders everyday..."
Yes they do, constantly, back and forth.

"...and their stealing high paying jobs!..."
That is absolutely, (well their may be a remote case), Incorrect !

What happens is, (In Minn), they bring gobs of Canadian Money,
SPEND IT
At M.O.A.  or the Mayo.
Then go home.

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Reply #48 - 12/29/18 at 08:41:15
 
So where do the illegal Mexicans spend their money ,  pay their rent, buy their cars,  and food , and clothes ? Walmart ,(China) just like you and me. Maybe we should invest 5 billon in Mexican industry and buy our goods from them, raise their standard of living and you won't have to build a wall or support communism.
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Reply #49 - 12/29/18 at 08:48:55
 
batman wrote on 12/29/18 at 08:41:15:
So where do the illegal Mexicans spend their money ,  pay their rent, buy their cars,  and food , and clothes ? Walmart ,(China) just like you and me. Maybe we should invest 5 billon in Mexican industry and buy are goods from them, raise their standard of living and you won't have to build a wall or support communism.

The, ... illegal ..., People, from N/S/E/W,
do NOT  spend, money.
They TAKE, money from you.


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Reply #50 - 12/29/18 at 08:56:30
 
batman wrote on 12/29/18 at 08:41:15:
"... the illegal Mexicans ..."

What ?
All people that, illegally, ’sneak’, into this country, are “Mexicans” ?

That is SO,  ‘Racist’ !
(very surprised the tt has not jumped all over you)

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Reply #51 - 12/29/18 at 09:24:32
 
Mn ,you kill me ,we were taking about the wall across the Mexican border, and at no time did I say ALL illegals were Mexicans .those are your words not mine . I would like to know how much money the Mexicans have stolen from you personally.did you get rolled ? the fact that I would rather see 5 billion go to boosting the Mexican standard of living than to build a stupid wall , doesn't seem to ring true that I'm a racist ,just that I like to see my tax money spend on something other than the new "Great wall of America" . It does sadden me to see people who blindly support Trump in his quest to make America great again,as if a wall would help!




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Reply #52 - 12/29/18 at 11:01:01
 
It saddens me to see such a bright fellow be so unable to remember how popular the idea was when democrats proposed it.
You're ate up with it if you think my support for a wall is because Trump said it.
My support for Trump was increased BY his support for what I have wanted for decades.
You people don't understand why Trump was elected yet?
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Reply #53 - 12/29/18 at 12:15:09
 
JOG , I don't support the building of the wall no matter who proposes it, There is no evidence to support the longevity of any fixed instillation. They can all be circumvented.  Locks only keep the good people out. Why not use our money to boost the economy of Mexico, do we have an open border with Canada because their rich and go home after sending their money , why can't we have the same with our southern neighbors .The only difference between a man and a thief is a job. If the Mexican people had  decent paying jobs and a more promising future they wouldn't be trying to sneak into the country. Maybe it's time our leaders in D.C. showed a little bit more vision, and made NORTH AMERICA GREAT! That's much better than building a jail cell with only one wall.
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Reply #54 - 12/29/18 at 14:07:41
 

There is no evidence to support the longevity of any fixed instillation. They can all be circumvented.


 According to people with zero experience in border control, or law enforcement of any kind this is false.  We can build a wall, not staff anyone to watch it and people won't come in.  Or at least it will delay them by the time it takes to climb a ladder, or for a cartel to build a tunnel, and cost is no issue because 5 billion on a wall is better than 5 billion in proven methods.

 I mean really get with the times man, there's no need to use the information from people who do the job.
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Reply #55 - 12/29/18 at 15:54:54
 
mean really get with the times man, there's no need to use the information from people who do the job.

And what a FUKKING GOOD JOB THEY HAVE DONE.
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Reply #56 - 12/29/18 at 16:17:02
 
"And what a FUKKING GOOD JOB THEY HAVE DONE. "

 Again, you linked the articles outlining a lot of the problems with resource allocation in the CBP.

 You linked the information of staff complaining about their lack of proper equipment and policy revision needs.  One of the larger problems being inappropriate funding allocation.

 And now we say its the staff that is the problem, not the resources or policy?  Now those articles aren't credible, the staff aren't knowledgeable enough about their own job and people with zero experience should now decide.
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Reply #58 - 12/29/18 at 21:58:20
 
"ADDRESS THE POINT "

 How many of those situations are staff being ordered to do their job and the staff refusing?

 None.  Yet you point out that CBP is incapable of doing their job.  So which is it, are they ordered to not do it, or are they ordered to work and are incapable?

 Why is it that CBP is unique in the fact that the people doing the job can not assess their needs better than the people who have never done the job, or even been to the border?
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Reply #59 - 12/29/18 at 22:43:54
 
Wanna dance with the words again?
You want to pretend the answer to
Well, which is it?
Changes the fact that they are not effective in protecting America?
I SAID it was
Politicized.
A wall doesn't Change POLICY.
It's a wall, every day, regardless of the people in office.
We need a wall.
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