What's there now, was deemed useful by experts in the field.
Not the fantasy of a golf course developer.
Experts say the money would be better spent on other things.
I'll take expert advice over a clown.

Trump can hold his breathe 'till he's blue in the face.

" unAmerican, morality reprehensible "

 I don't think its a moral issue.

 I think that if the people responsible for securing the border, which includes state National Guards and the Army Corp of Engineers says there are more cost-effective and efficient methods than a physical full-length wall that maybe, just maybe they know more about it than people who have never been there, done the job, or have anything at all to do with it.

Its not a moral issue to me, its an issue of why CBP, ICE, ACOE, etc. etc. are wrong and the people who have never set foot near the border are right.

 If the Marines were down there full-time making recommendations people wouldn't be saying they are wrong because Marines don't know anything about securing land.

"Does that seem logical to you? Part of a wall is successful because it prevents or at the very least lessens the numbers who can cross but extending that wall in areas where there is none would not have the same effect? "

 What you are saying is exactly what experts, you know people there right now, are saying but their analysis is different than yours, you know, they guy not there right now doing the job.

 Fencing/walls are appropriate but not along the entirety of the border.  There's geographical and resource based analysis, there's data collection of human traffic flow, drug traffic flow and mechanism of entry, predictive modeling that has had over 95% accuracy, undercover agents travelling with migrants, colleges, national and state evaluation groups, but they are probably wrong because a wall works in one place, it must work in all.

 Its an issue of where there should be a physical barrier, and where there should be other methods, of many available.  

 The idea that CBP employees are worried a wall will make their jobs obsolete is an example of how disconnected people are from the actual environment.  There is no reason to believe that humans capable of grappling, tunneling, using ladders etc. will be deterred by a wall with no staff to enforce it's use.

 CBP wants walls to funnel people to easier to monitor locations, why is this so hard to understand?  Why are people who have never done the job correct while CBP, and many many others doing this work are wrong?

Give me a break, you're only against it because Trump's for it.

And by the way, I was against it in the beginning when Trump first started pushing for it. I changed when the sanctuary cities became a thing and realized elected  (as well as unelected) officials can simply change policies with a pen.  A wall is there until you physically take it down. Without a wall, the next administration simply changes policy and your drones  and electronic wall get turned off.

Regarding experts, I can find just as many who say a wall is very effective.

And Eegore, "the expert who is there now" has more than a little incentive to expand the status quo.

We have anywhere between 15 and 40 million illegals today, no one really knows the real number. Whatever we've done before  is not working. Build a wall. Make it harder. Adjust strategies when illegals adjust their strategies to get arond the wall.

Back to my question, what you're both saying is the wall in place now is perfect, but what's missing is a little more electronic surveillance etc... which in the grand scheme of things, cost a pittance. A rounding error in the federal budget. Why haven't these simple strategies been employed anytime over the past 25 years?

The Wall, to build or not.
(On money via a ‘go-fund-me’ page)

For the Wall: 14 MILLION raised, so far.
and a Guarantee that all your donations will go to the wall,
or be returned.

Against the Wall: 65,000.00 raised,
for Ladders,  Which was rapidly changed to:
“…  to donate the money raised to legal services to undeserved immigrant children, families and refugees…”

Which could mean, a lot of that money could be paid for someone to push a piece of paper back and forth on their desk.

So Just a 13 MILLION  +  Difference.
Between the Public who, want, and don’t want, a wall.

Wonder, could 80% (+/-) of the Media,
be Lying ?

I don't remember the opposition when either of the Clinton s suggested it.
Not even from me.
I support it because I'm a trained monkey following Trump.
But you don't oppose it because you're trained monkeys opposing Trump.

I get it.

ALL  because many have TDS.

Registered and elected republicans are apparently not immune.