Yeah, instead of trying to weed out those who shouldn't have guns, let's just have more guns in the schools.

Great idea!  <<<<<<sarcasm

Matchless G11 wrote on 12/18/18 at 10:23:58:


Topic for another thread matchless.


Arming teachers is not the answer.  Preventing these tragedies is.

Strangely TT I do agree with you (and the devil is not ice skating to work).
But it seems every time one of these shooting goes down.
we hear:

"Police were watching the suspect."
"The FBI had the suspect under surveillance. "
"Local law inforcement were called multiple times."

Well if the problem is with the law enforcement not doing their jobs.
Should we not fix the problem there? Insted of putting out more ineffective gun laws?

Matchless G11 wrote on 12/18/18 at 10:50:33:


I agree, that would make sense - but gun laws should also be revised (IMHO).

But to throw more guns in the mix is asinine (again, IMHO).

Well TT we have to protect our children, and a sign that says Gun free zone won't do it.
We have kicked God out of the schools so why should we be shocked when the Devil come to take his place?

Every shooter is not the Devil Match, but I understand your point.

(Evil more likely takes this shape: True evil is, above all things, seductive. When the Devil knocks at your door, he doesn’t have cloven hooves. He is beautiful, and offers you your heart’s desire in whispered airs. Like a siren, beckoning you to ruinous shore.)

If I ran a school, I would ask for volunteers among the staff to be trained and to carry everyday at school. I would then begin a program that when recruiting new teachers, those with a background in armed self defense would be included as a plus when considering. Finally, I don't know what the percentage is, but I would investigate and consult until an arrived upon percentage of armed staff would be an acceptable number and then I would strive to remain at that percentage.

You cannot rely upon law enforcement or the FBI to remove suspects before they act. In so many of the recent cases of school shootings, the suspect had come into contact with law enforcement before and procedures were not followed. And you clearly cannot rely on law enforcement to always put themselves in harms way to protect children.

Would a mentally disturbed student or individual attack a school if they knew 25% of the staff was armed for example? No one knows the answer to that with any degree of certainty. I don't know, but I would assume military schools have faced shooters and I would assume some of the staff is armed. The Islamic terrorist who shot the soldiers at Fort Hood comes to mind, but he may have selected the specific area he attacked knowing it was a no guns allowed zone, but I don't know that.

However, what is known with complete certainty is, if you or your child were barricaded in a room listening to a shooter moving systematically room by room shooting whomever is in the room and you're next on the list, you'd rather have someone in that room with you who is armed.

WebsterMark wrote on 12/18/18 at 11:29:06:


True,   there is also this from Lewis.

]There are two equal and opposite errors into which our race can fall about the devils. One is to disbelieve in their existence. The other is to believe, and to feel an excessive and unhealthy interest in them. They themselves are equally pleased by both errors and hail a materialist or a magician with the same delight.

Evil more likely takes this shape: True evil is, above all things, seductive. When the Devil knocks at your door, he doesn’t have cloven hooves. He is beautiful, and offers you your heart’s desire in whispered airs. Like a siren, beckoning you to ruinous shore.

My quote comes from a far less weighty source; The TV series Penny Dreadful. Which was outstanding by the way and worth watching. Not Breaking Bad great, but close.