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Re: Watching common sense sprrad
Reply #15 - 12/18/18 at 13:15:06

WebsterMark wrote on 12/18/18 at 13:02:45:

Evil more likely takes this shape: True evil is, above all things, seductive. When the Devil knocks at your door, he doesn’t have cloven hooves. He is beautiful, and offers you your heart’s desire in whispered airs. Like a siren, beckoning you to ruinous shore.

My quote comes from a far less weighty source; The TV series Penny Dreadful. Which was outstanding by the way and worth watching. Not Breaking Bad great, but close.

Great quote though
it reminds me of "The mouse (going to a trap) doesn't understand why the cheese is free".

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Reply #16 - 12/18/18 at 14:09:31

Matchless G11 wrote on 12/18/18 at 13:08:11:

Where do our laws come from? If there is a moral code there must be a moral code giver. Other wise we do things just on feelings.
What feels right could be saving children on one hand or holding the door open to the ovens at Auschwitz on the other.

Empathy. The Golden Rule.

We learn these things as we mature. Whether or not you choose to be good or evil is on you - not God.

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Reply #17 - 12/18/18 at 14:30:31

T And T Garage wrote on 12/18/18 at 10:59:15:

Changing the gun laws at the federal level.
Common sense gun control.
I've written about this quite a bit.

Describe them,
Don't run behind a Skirt and say:
"...Common sense gun control..."
Which is being, Parroted by:
the 'don't have a clue' people, and the David Hogg's, parrots.
Which Hogg is Really Funny, when he shows up at a protest, with ARMED security !!!!!
(Gee I thought, I can, You can NOT, was Socialism)

DESCRIBE, "Common sense gun control".
What is it, Point by Point ?
And NOT, repeating all the laws that are already on the books.
And NOT, repeating all the laws that have been on the books,
and have not work.
And NOT, repeating all the lies, told by the Gun Grabbers, just so they believe they CAN, 'Grab Guns".
Come on, DO it.
Describe, "Common sense gun control"
Describe it !

Or are you just Lying, Again !

Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .

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Re: Watching common sense sprrad
Reply #18 - 12/18/18 at 14:34:09

T And T Garage wrote on 12/18/18 at 14:09:31:

Matchless G11 wrote on 12/18/18 at 13:08:11:

Where do our laws come from? If there is a moral code there must be a moral code giver. Other wise we do things just on feelings.
What feels right could be saving children on one hand or holding the door open to the ovens at Auschwitz on the other.

Empathy. The Golden Rule.

We learn these things as we mature. Whether or not you choose to be good or evil is on you - not God.

True we have free will

But your ethics has in it the golden rule is given by Jesus of Nazareth (Matthew 7:12 NCV, see also Luke 6:31). The common English phrasing is "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

The guys who wrote the constitution were not doing it in a vacuum. Most of the founding fathers of this country did not scribed to some "flying spaghetti monster" nor were they followers of Islam. They were with the exception of Franklin and Jefferson (and even those guys had a sense of a higher power being deists ). Were bible thumpers, Just read the some of their writings. These guys wanted a country that was one nation under God.

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Reply #19 - 12/18/18 at 14:45:10

Matchless G11 wrote on 12/18/18 at 14:34:09:

T And T Garage wrote on 12/18/18 at 14:09:31:

Matchless G11 wrote on 12/18/18 at 13:08:11:

Where do our laws come from? If there is a moral code there must be a moral code giver. Other wise we do things just on feelings.
What feels right could be saving children on one hand or holding the door open to the ovens at Auschwitz on the other.

Empathy. The Golden Rule.

We learn these things as we mature. Whether or not you choose to be good or evil is on you - not God.

True we have free will

But your ethics has in it the golden rule is given by Jesus of Nazareth (Matthew 7:12 NCV, see also Luke 6:31). The common English phrasing is "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

I don't subscribe to that belief. Humans had compassion long before the Bible/New Testament. If not, we would not have survived as a species. Sorry, I don't think it was Jesus who came up with it.

The guys who wrote the constitution were not doing it in a vacuum. Most of the founding fathers of this country did not scribed to some "flying spaghetti monster" nor were they followers of Islam. They were with the exception of Franklin and Jefferson (and even those guys had a sense of a higher power being deists ). Were bible thumpers, Just read the some of their writings. These guys wanted a country that was one nation under God.

God didn't enter into it for good reason. "Endowed by their Creator", and "Nature's God" are mentioned in the Declaration, but even those tow references are benign.

The Constitution is written in such a way to purposely exclude God.

Addition - matchless - please know that I in no way berate your faith. I was raised Christian, now I'm agnostic. I have atheist friends, Jewish friends, Muslim friends. I hold no religion in and of itself in contempt.

However, there are many religious people I do, but that's on them, not the religion that they supposedly represent.

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Reply #20 - 12/18/18 at 14:48:40

MnSpring wrote on 12/18/18 at 14:30:31:

T And T Garage wrote on 12/18/18 at 10:59:15:

Changing the gun laws at the federal level.
Common sense gun control.
I've written about this quite a bit.

Describe them, - Piss off. You're not worth my time to explain them again. Go do a search in my posts. I'm not going to get drawn into one of your useless ad nauseum posts.
Don't run behind a Skirt and say:
"...Common sense gun control..."
Which is being, Parroted by:
the 'don't have a clue' people, and the David Hogg's, parrots.
Which Hogg is Really Funny, when he shows up at a protest, with ARMED security !!!!!
(Gee I thought, I can, You can NOT, was Socialism)

Yeah - this is why I won't entertain you. You refuse to learn.

DESCRIBE, "Common sense gun control".
What is it, Point by Point ?
And NOT, repeating all the laws that are already on the books.
And NOT, repeating all the laws that have been on the books,
and have not work.
And NOT, repeating all the lies, told by the Gun Grabbers, just so they believe they CAN, 'Grab Guns".
Come on, DO it.
Describe, "Common sense gun control"
Describe it !

Or are you just Lying, Again !

I don't lie. Further, there is no proof of me lying.

So piss off. You're just not worth my time.

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Re: Watching common sense sprrad
Reply #21 - 12/18/18 at 15:10:11

T And T Garage wrote on 12/18/18 at 14:45:10:

God didn't enter into it for good reason. "Endowed by their Creator", and "Nature's God" are mentioned in the Declaration, but even those tow references are benign.

The Constitution is written in such a way to purposely exclude God.

They didn't exclude god, they did not promote one religion over another.

Big difference.

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Reply #22 - 12/18/18 at 15:14:32

verslagen1 wrote on 12/18/18 at 15:10:11:

T And T Garage wrote on 12/18/18 at 14:45:10:

God didn't enter into it for good reason. "Endowed by their Creator", and "Nature's God" are mentioned in the Declaration, but even those two references are benign.

The Constitution is written in such a way to purposely exclude God.

They didn't exclude god, they did not promote one religion over another.

Big difference.

No, they excluded God on purpose in the Constitution. There are only mentions of "religion" in the Constitution.

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Reply #23 - 12/18/18 at 15:38:42

T And T Garage wrote on 12/18/18 at 15:14:32:

verslagen1 wrote on 12/18/18 at 15:10:11:

T And T Garage wrote on 12/18/18 at 14:45:10:

God didn't enter into it for good reason. "Endowed by their Creator", and "Nature's God" are mentioned in the Declaration, but even those two references are benign.

The Constitution is written in such a way to purposely exclude God.

They didn't exclude god, they did not promote one religion over another.

Big difference.

No, they excluded God on purpose in the Constitution. There are only mentions of "religion" in the Constitution.

Are you confused or does religion not include god?

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Re: Watching common sense sprrad
Reply #24 - 12/18/18 at 15:47:34

how does adding more guns(arming teachers) equate "common sense"?

@ my Los Angeles
H.S. in the 60s we were locked in
all 3 square blocks of campus with 6000 students
there were hired armed guards, 6 or so
the fear of the day was anti war protests

closed campus'
limited controlled access

the H.S across the back alley has a leo they call him/her the community service officer

arming teachers is just plain stupid nothing sensible about it

standing for those who stood for US

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Reply #25 - 12/18/18 at 16:07:30

"arming teachers is just plain stupid nothing sensible about it"

I think this has more to do with imminence and cost than with what is going to be a long-term solution.

A gunman going into a school today can be stopped with armed staff.

Stopping future gunman from committing the crime can not help children being murdered today. It's not like these proposed laws say anything about keeping alternate measures from taking place.

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Reply #26 - 12/18/18 at 16:29:06

verslagen1 wrote on 12/18/18 at 15:38:42:

T And T Garage wrote on 12/18/18 at 15:14:32:

verslagen1 wrote on 12/18/18 at 15:10:11:

T And T Garage wrote on 12/18/18 at 14:45:10:

God didn't enter into it for good reason. "Endowed by their Creator", and "Nature's God" are mentioned in the Declaration, but even those two references are benign.

The Constitution is written in such a way to purposely exclude God.

They didn't exclude god, they did not promote one religion over another.

Big difference.

No, they excluded God on purpose in the Constitution. There are only mentions of "religion" in the Constitution.

Are you confused or does religion not include god?

No, it includes God - but it also includes Allah, The Flying Spaghetti Monster, Elvis, The Dude, Satan and any other deity you'd like.

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Re: Watching common sense sprrad
Reply #27 - 12/18/18 at 17:41:49

T And T Garage wrote on 12/18/18 at 14:48:40:

Piss off. You're not worth my time to explain them again.
So piss off. You're just not worth my time.

So you have no, original, thoughts of your own.
You can Only, Parrot what Cenk and like told you to say.
Just as I thought, you don't have any ideas of your own, about what to do.

Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .

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Reply #28 - 12/18/18 at 19:50:40

MnSpring wrote on 12/18/18 at 17:41:49:

T And T Garage wrote on 12/18/18 at 14:48:40:

Piss off. You're not worth my time to explain them again.
So piss off. You're just not worth my time.

So you have no, original, thoughts of your own.
You can Only, Parrot what Cenk and like told you to say.
Just as I thought, you don't have any ideas of your own, about what to do.

You're not worth the keystrokes.

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Re: Watching common sense sprrad
Reply #29 - 12/18/18 at 20:27:38

Guy[quote author=7A646B6A677A617C0E0 link=1545150522/0#1 date=1545152370]Yeah, instead of trying to weed out those who shouldn't have guns, let's just have more guns in the schools.

It's not the GUNS.
It's WHO HAS THEM.

According to your logic, more guns equals
Less safe.
But what do you do when a crazed gunman appears?
You call the cops.
What do THEY do?
They
Bring
More Guns.
But That's okay
Because they are cops.

Teachers are too stupid to learn to shoot.

Dammit, why don't you accept that you're WRONG?
It's obvious enough.

The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.- Edmund Burke.

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