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12/13/18 at 06:06:31
 
This is interesting.....  The judge in the Flynn's case is demanding to see the document known as a 302 and other documents related to the FBI's interview with Flynn. Could this whole thing get thrown out? See the Wall Street Journal column below.

Of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s many targets, the most tragic may be former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn. The former three-star general pleaded guilty last year to a single count of lying to the FBI about conversations he had with Russia’s ambassador to the U.S. Now we learn from Mr. Flynn’s court filing to the sentencing judge that senior bureau officials acted in a way to set him up for the fall.
Not a rich man after decades in uniform, Mr. Flynn pleaded guilty to avoid bankruptcy and spare his son from becoming a legal target. Mr. Flynn’s filing doesn’t take issue with the description of his offense. But the “additional facts” the Flynn defense team flags for the court raise doubts about FBI conduct.

The Flynn filing describes government documents concerning the Jan. 24, 2017 meeting with two FBI agents when Mr. Flynn supposedly lied. It turns out the meeting was set up by then Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe, who personally called Mr. Flynn that day on other business—to discuss an FBI training session. By Mr. McCabe’s account, on that call he told Mr. Flynn he “felt that we needed to have two of our agents sit down” with him to talk about his Russia communications.

Mr. McCabe then urged Mr. Flynn to meet without a lawyer present. “I explained that I thought the quickest way to get this done was to have a conversation between [Mr. Flynn] and the agents only. I further stated that if LTG Flynn wished to include anyone else in the meeting, like the White House Counsel for instance, that I would need to involve the Department of Justice. [Mr. Flynn] stated that this would not be necessary and agreed to meet with the agents without any additional participants,” wrote Mr. McCabe in a memo viewed by the Flynn defense team.

According to the FBI summary of the interview—known as a 302—Mr. McCabe and FBI officials “decided the agents would not warn Flynn that it was a crime to lie during an FBI interview because they wanted Flynn to be relaxed and they were concerned that giving the warnings might adversely affect the rapport.”

We also know from then FBI Director James Comey that this was his idea. This is “something I probably wouldn’t have done or wouldn’t have gotten away with in a more organized administration,” Mr. Comey boasted on MSNBC this weekend. “In the George W. Bush Administration or the Obama Administration, if the FBI wanted to send agents into the White House itself to interview a senior official, you would work through the White House counsel, there would be discussions and approvals and who would be there. And I thought, it’s early enough let’s just send a couple guys over.”

If the goal was to set a legal trap, it worked. The two agents showed up at the White House within hours of Mr. McCabe’s call, and they reported in the 302 that General Flynn had been “relaxed and jocular” and “clearly saw the FBI agents as allies.” One of the agents was Peter Strzok, who is famous for his anti-Trump texts to his FBI paramour.

The FBI agents had seen transcripts of Mr. Flynn’s conversations with the Russian ambassador that were “unmasked” by Obama Administration officials. The 302 says that rather than flag this and ask Mr. Flynn for an explanation, the FBI agents decided before the meeting that if “Flynn said he did not remember something they knew he said, they would use the exact words Flynn used, . . . to try to refresh his recollection. If Flynn still would not confirm what he said, . . . they would not confront him or talk him through it.”

Keep in mind the FBI’s counterintelligence probe into Russia and the Trump campaign was still secret. Mr. Flynn had done nothing wrong in conversing with the Russian ambassador—it was part of his job—and he had no reason to believe he was in legal jeopardy. He initially claimed he misremembered what was discussed, which is more believable than that a highly decorated officer would lie to FBI officers he agreed to see without counsel.

Mr. Flynn’s lawyers are requesting probation and community service, though the facts suggest the judge should question the entire plea deal. Messrs. McCabe and Strzok have both been fired for misconduct, and their behavior reeks of entrapment.

If he does nothing else, President Trump has an obligation to former aides like Michael Flynn and to the public to declassify and disclose the FBI documents related to the FBI’s Russia probe.
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Reply #1 - 12/13/18 at 06:15:13
 
If you're going to be national security advisor - you have to be smarter than that.

Was it entrapment?  Maybe.

Was flynn stupid and did he lie?  Definitely.

This is the inherent flaw in this entire administration.  It's a joke.  No procedures in place, no protocols followed.  It's the wild west and people like flynn are dumb enough to get caught in it.

Showing once again, this president has zero leadership skills.

Oh, and let's not forget - flynn is only one of dozens.  This stink goes all the way to the top.
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Reply #2 - 12/13/18 at 18:02:05
 
When being incorrect about a date that wouldn't create a prosecutable offense Regardless of the answer BECOMES prosecutable BECAUSE your Incorrect answer is called a lie, nobody is served except tyrants.
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Reply #3 - 12/15/18 at 18:18:42
 
Flynn's filing mentioned that agents hadn’t warned Flynn it was a crime to lie to the FBI, and that the deputy FBI director suggested the questioning could be done more quickly if Flynn didn’t have a lawyer present.


“A sitting National Security Advisor, former head of an intelligence agency, retired Lieutenant General, and 33-year veteran of the armed forces knows he should not lie to federal agents,” Mueller wrote.

https://www.vox.com/2018/12/14/18141351/mueller-michael-flynn-sentencing-inte...
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Reply #4 - 12/15/18 at 21:57:22
 
They won't ALLOW the agent who interviewed him to testify, because he doesn't believe the guy lied.


Now, asked to give some guys a tour, talk, AND told
You don't NEED a lawyer.

Should the same protections every schmuck gets Not be given to our people in D.C.?

IF he Had declined
YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN FIRST IN LINE TO CALL HIM PARANOID.
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Reply #5 - 12/18/18 at 08:55:16
 
Flanked by his wife, and supported by his son and several of his eight siblings, Flynn entered the courthouse head down, without comment. But as the hearing began, Judge Emmet Sullivan asked if he wished to “challenge the circumstances” that led him to lie to the FBI.

Flynn’s reply: "No, your honor."

When asked by the judge if he knew lying to FBI investigators was a federal crime, Flynn replied: "I was aware."



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Reply #6 - 12/18/18 at 14:42:07
 
WebsterMark wrote on 12/13/18 at 06:06:31:
This is interesting.....  The judge in the Flynn's case is demanding to see the document known as a 302 and other documents related to the FBI's interview with Flynn. Could this whole thing get thrown out? See the Wall Street Journal column below.


Instead of the Wall Street Journal's 'column', why not see what the judge has to say...

From the start, U.S. District Judge Emmet G. Sullivan made clear he was infuriated by Flynn’s conduct — both in lying to the FBI while in the White House, and working to advance the interests of the Turkish government while he was a part of Trump’s campaign.

The judge seemed to take particular umbrage at the suggestion made by Flynn and his supporters, just before the sentencing, that he was duped by the FBI. Early in the hearing, Sullivan forced Flynn to admit publicly that he knew lying to the bureau was illegal, and that he was guilty of a crime. Later, the judge pointed to an American flag as he berated the former three-star general for his misdeeds.

“Arguably, that undermines everything this flag over here stands for,” the judge said. “Arguably, you sold your country out.”

Flynn, standing straight and flanked by attorneys on either side, looked shaken, his jaw clenched.
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Reply #7 - 12/19/18 at 12:19:46
 
I assume you know by now the judge apologized for much of what he said as it was out of line.

The Michael Flynn story is not over. I'm not sure where it will end.  I'm also quite sure President Trump will pardon him at some point during his Presidency. I also hope citizen Trump hands Flynn a couple million dollars once he's out of office.

Prosecutors have broad discretion over what they do and do not file charge on, what they do and do not accept plea deals on. Comey famously said no reasonable prosecutor would file charges on a case he investigated to which many reasonable prosecutors said in fact they would.

Justice is not nor has it ever been blind or non-partisan for that matter.  
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Reply #8 - 12/19/18 at 13:33:22
 
WebsterMark wrote on 12/19/18 at 12:19:46:
"...Justice is not nor has it ever been blind or non-partisan for that matter.  

Oh gosh, how can you say that ?
After all the exact SAME, 'justice', has been applied to the, Cheating, Lying, Steeling, that B.S.'s Wife did.

As the scrutiny, charges, and accusations, made to/about ANY, person/Politician.
that is NOT, a UL, Fairy Dust Sprinkling, Socialistic, Progressive.

A-Yep, Exactly the Same.

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Reply #9 - 12/19/18 at 13:54:35
 
WebsterMark wrote on 12/19/18 at 12:19:46:
I assume you know by now the judge apologized for much of what he said as it was out of line.

The Michael Flynn story is not over. I'm not sure where it will end.  I'm also quite sure President Trump will pardon him at some point during his Presidency. I also hope citizen Trump hands Flynn a couple million dollars once he's out of office.

Prosecutors have broad discretion over what they do and do not file charge on, what they do and do not accept plea deals on. Comey famously said no reasonable prosecutor would file charges on a case he investigated to which many reasonable prosecutors said in fact they would.

Justice is not nor has it ever been blind or non-partisan for that matter.  


Once again, you're wrong.  You only wish that justice was partisan.  Sorry, it ain't.

The fact that Comey is intelligent and refused to pledge his loyalty to trump infuriates you.

Did you see his mini press conference?  He's sharp as a razor and put this whole sham of an administration in its place!

Good on him!
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Reply #10 - 12/19/18 at 14:21:21
 
WebsterMark wrote on 12/19/18 at 12:19:46:
I assume you know by now the judge apologized for much of what he said as it was out of line.


No the judge did not 'apologised for much of what he said'. He said that his inference that Flynn was working in the WH while working for Turkey was incorrect. That's it. Otherwise his summing up is accurate. And he forced Flynn to admit that he fully well knew that lying to the FBI was illegal.
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Reply #11 - 12/19/18 at 14:47:58
 
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Sullivan, who made the comments while expressing outrage at Flynn’s crime of lying to the FBI, clarified soon after that he didn’t intend to accuse Flynn of treason and apologized. Sullivan walking back his remarks makes sense, since there isn’t really any legal grounds to charge Flynn with treason.

https://news.yahoo.com/michael-flynn-probably-didn-apos-205933323.html;_ylt=A...
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Reply #12 - 12/19/18 at 15:56:04
 
verslagen1 wrote on 12/19/18 at 14:47:58:
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Sullivan, who made the comments while expressing outrage at Flynn’s crime of lying to the FBI, clarified soon after that he didn’t intend to accuse Flynn of treason and apologized. Sullivan walking back his remarks makes sense, since there isn’t really any legal grounds to charge Flynn with treason.

https://news.yahoo.com/michael-flynn-probably-didn-apos-205933323.html;_ylt=A...

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Reply #13 - 12/19/18 at 17:18:37
 
eau de sauvage wrote on 12/19/18 at 14:21:21:
WebsterMark wrote on 12/19/18 at 12:19:46:
I assume you know by now the judge apologized for much of what he said as it was out of line.


No the judge did not 'apologised for much of what he said'. He said that his inference that Flynn was working in the WH while working for Turkey was incorrect. That's it. Otherwise his summing up is accurate. And he forced Flynn to admit that he fully well knew that lying to the FBI was illegal.


He said quite a bit more than that. I think you need to look into that a little closer.
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Reply #14 - 12/19/18 at 18:25:10
 
WebsterMark wrote on 12/19/18 at 17:18:37:
eau de sauvage wrote on 12/19/18 at 14:21:21:
WebsterMark wrote on 12/19/18 at 12:19:46:
I assume you know by now the judge apologized for much of what he said as it was out of line.


No the judge did not 'apologised for much of what he said'. He said that his inference that Flynn was working in the WH while working for Turkey was incorrect. That's it. Otherwise his summing up is accurate. And he forced Flynn to admit that he fully well knew that lying to the FBI was illegal.


He said quite a bit more than that. I think you need to look into that a little closer.


Yes mark - you should look closer into it:

The surprise development came after what began as a routine sentencing hearing devolved into a dramatic discussion on Flynn’s conduct. Sullivan at one point questioned whether, “hypothetically,” Flynn could have been charged with treason and told the former lieutenant general that, “arguably, you sold out your country.”

...Sullivan later walked back those comments.

Still, Sullivan spoke at length Tuesday about the seriousness of Flynn’s crime, at one point expressing “disdain” for his actions. He cautioned Flynn that, if they proceeded to sentencing on Tuesday, he could not rule out prison.

“I’m going to be frank with you: This crime is very serious,” Sullivan said, highlighting more than once how Flynn was a high-ranking official who lied to the FBI on White House grounds.

Sullivan described how Flynn worked as an unregistered agent of a foreign power while serving as a Trump adviser, later correcting his statement. But in that exchange, the judge pointed to a flag behind him and said Flynn’s conduct arguably undermined “everything this flag” stands for.

At the start of Tuesday’s hearing, the judge pressed defense attorneys about a court memo that appeared to suggest federal investigators led Flynn to lie during his January 2017 FBI interview. The filing noted Flynn was not warned that lying to the FBI was illegal, and that he did not have counsel present during the interview.

Sullivan said the filing “raised some concerns” with the court, and questioned how it was consistent with Flynn’s acceptance of responsibility.

National Law Journal

http://www.law.com/nationallawjournal/2018/12/18/judge-emmet-sullivan-delays-...
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