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Reply #75 - 12/22/18 at 11:32:50

Eegore wrote on 12/21/18 at 22:20:08:

So since its the EPA, a government agency, every single government employee worldwide is responsible? The guy in California who purchases prosthetic limbs for disabled veterans is responsible for the EPA's criminal activity because he is a government employee.

Well it is exactaly what, ~~Pocahontas~~ Elisabeth Warren says.
And who is that group of people, that follow her every word ?

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Reply #76 - 12/22/18 at 12:27:55

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 12/21/18 at 21:08:57:

Eegore wrote on 12/18/18 at 16:03:34:

If an employee of the EPA has nothing to do with a crime committed why are they held responsible?

Because somebody else tries to do that to gun owners.

That's really the logic that's being accepted for this?

employee of the EPA
employee of the EPA
employee of the EPA

WTF is WRONG with you?
The head of the epa either made the decision or is protecting who did.
You go create such an ecological disaster and see what happens to you.

That's YOU saying
All employees
I want the people who decided to do it to enjoy the kinda love some average person would get.

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Reply #77 - 12/22/18 at 16:53:01

Eegore wrote on 12/21/18 at 22:20:08:

So since its the EPA, a government agency, every single government employee worldwide is responsible?

Let’s look at this from another direction.

1. A Person shoots and KILLS Students.
2. Several people make a decision, that KILLS a river.

1. That person is in Jail. And the cry is, ALL Gun Owners are Bad.
2. Those people are getting Full Salary, and they are defended at every turn, when someone say the EPA does bad things.

1. The School, ’shooter’, only KILLED 17, (Florida)
2. Filling a river, full of 3 MILLION Gallons, of highly cancer causing toxins, will only KILL 1,000’s

The difference is, #1, is all at the same time. #2, is over years and years,
(Far FAR, beyond CNN’s, attention span)

Conclusion:
The Shooter needs to say,
‘OPPS’,
then all is well.

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Reply #78 - 12/22/18 at 20:32:51

"I want the people who decided to do it to enjoy the kinda love some average person would get. "

I agree. But when people complain about gun owners getting grouped into the same category as a criminal gun owner I question when they do that to other groups.

It was indicated that the entirety of the EPA is to be held responsible based off of the actions of a few. The justification for this is that it happens to gun owners.

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Reply #79 - 12/22/18 at 20:54:26

I thought I was clear after you expressed that.
I'm not a dammed idiot.
I don't hold rank and file responsible for what management did.
Apparently, nobody holds management responsible.
And whoever followed orders, IF, IF, IF,
THEY had sufficient experience and knowledge to be able to be reasonably expected to NOT pull a bonehead stunt that would dump toxic schitt into a river, then they can sit in prison, alongside the bosses.

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Reply #80 - 12/23/18 at 07:01:14

"I thought I was clear after you expressed that.
I'm not a dammed idiot."

You were clear. Again:

"I agree. But when people complain about gun owners getting grouped into the same category as a criminal gun owner I question when they do that to other groups."

To clarify:

I agree specifically with the logic presented here by JoG after clarifying questions were answered. However those questions are also answered by people other than JoG, a category to include all known contributors except JoG, I get answers about gun-ownership and the unfairness of the responsibility placed upon them by the US media, not the US legal system.

The continual answering, meaning the structure and content of following posts, of how US Media is unfair to gun owners as justification of how we can hold the entirety of the EPA responsible seems hypocritical to me. This structuring and content of the gun-ownership to EPA staff correlation does not include JoG specifically as he has not made those comparisons at all.

Considering the question posed at this time of gun-ownership vs. EPA employment and the responsibilities of those within those categories it could be concluded that anyone that has not made, or continues to make similar comparisons is not being questioned about the EPA vs. Gun owners logic.

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Re: Does it matter?
Reply #81 - 12/24/18 at 11:07:48

Eegore wrote on 12/23/18 at 07:01:14:

Considering the question posed at this time of gun-ownership vs. EPA employment and the responsibilities of those within those categories it could be concluded that anyone that has not made, or continues to make similar comparisons is not being questioned about the EPA vs. Gun owners logic.

It is true, that not knowing the fullest abilities of the people involved in the subject that has been discussed at hand. Their may be some discrepancies in the interpretation of the matters that have been deliberated on. Furthermore, the people that have tasked themselves to discern the meaning of the of said events, which have been observed with a regular frequency, have predetermined the outcome as to their confabulation, of the subject.

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Reply #82 - 12/24/18 at 17:04:34

When reasonable people condemn the actions of the epa, it's NOT aimed at rank and file, unless the actions are obviously stupid TO the people tasked with doing it.
Watching the FAR from reasonable try to hang the behavior of maniacs with guns, WHO ARE NOT BEING TOLD BY THEIR BOSS, to go kill people, is irritating.
There is no way to measure just how unreasonable those people are.
But, for sure their alleged Thinking is wrapped in an agenda. They Believe what they Need to believe so they can pretend that their push for the agenda is based in logic and reason.
These people are exactly what
Intellectual Dishonesty IS.

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