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Reply #45 - 11/13/18 at 15:41:56
 
"If a shooting happens in a theatre, and there are eight armed guys,... seven will be dead before the shooting stops.
At least...
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 I agree.  We've run thousands of active firearm simulations over the years and among many of the common themes is that people typically miss their intended target when under duress.  Things really change when its not a piece of paper at the end of a corridor.
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Reply #46 - 11/13/18 at 18:03:44
 
Eegore wrote on 11/13/18 at 15:17:09:
"My locking a door has never killed anyone."

 My owning a gun has never killed anyone either.  If I have the option to lock my doors to my house I do, its safer, does that make me paranoid?

OK, fine, let me rephrase... my locking a door can never kill anyone.  The gun's only purpose is to destroy anything that it's pointed at.  Period.  There is no other reason to keep it for "protection".

 If I have the option to install a pull rod iron security door I do, its safer, does installing a security door make me paranoid?

Yes, as a matter of fact, it does.

 If I can install a security camera doorbell and a home alarm I do, its safer, does having a camera and security system make me paranoid?

Yes, it does.

 If I can own a firearm and also use that firearm when not hunting to aid in home defense I do, its safer, does owning a gun and using it for home defense make me paranoid?

If your intent is ONLY self protection, then yes, you're paranoid.

 At what point are we crossing the line to mental illness?

Good question.  The jury is still out on that. 

 As for the attack dog and trunk monkey chasing somebody running away then that's still illegal.  Shooting someone with a hammer intent on crushing my skull like the guy down the street from me is not illegal.  I certainly don't plan on using my own hammer in a duel waiting for law enforcement to arrive and save my life for me.



Eegore, I'm not saying that all paranoia is bad either.  To think you don't need to take any precautions in life is folly.  But how far do you take it?  I know a guy that sleeps with a Bowie knife under his pillow - literally.  I knew a woman that dated a "rent-a-cop" that slept with a gun in the headboard.  She came in late one night and he freaked out and nearly blew her head off.  Where do we draw that line of 'enough is enough'?

My point is - the way that most people who fervently defend the Second Amendment argue that owning guns is a right that should rarely (if ever) be challenged.

I disagree.  

There was a conversation on here about other Amendments being (gasp) amended because they didn't reflect modern times.

Same with the Second.
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Reply #47 - 11/13/18 at 19:23:18
 
 So if locking doors is a paranoid is it fair to say that most people in America suffer from mental illness?

 My understanding of paranoia is that it is the creation of a non-validated fear that prevents one from performing normal tasks without anxiety.  

 When I lock my doors I am not doing so out of anxiety or fear, I do it because its safer.  Like seatbelts I am not in fear of flying through my window to the point that I think every oncoming car is going to collide with me causing inordinate fear of traffic and related anxiety or other physiological changes caused by paranoia.  

 Its just safer to wear a seatbelt, but by your logic it paranoia because I did it exclusively for self protection.  So installing a security camera doorbell that allows me to see whos outside before I open the door is a sign of mental illness.

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Reply #48 - 11/13/18 at 21:15:59
 
Eegore wrote on 11/13/18 at 19:23:18:
 So if locking doors is a paranoid is it fair to say that most people in America suffer from mental illness?

I guess you didn't read my entire post...
"Eegore, I'm not saying that all paranoia is bad either.  To think you don't need to take any precautions in life is folly.  But how far do you take it?"

 My understanding of paranoia is that it is the creation of a non-validated fear that prevents one from performing normal tasks without anxiety.  

Again, read my post.

 When I lock my doors I am not doing so out of anxiety or fear, I do it because its safer.  

I grew up never locking my door.  In fact, my mother didn't lock her doors until I was away at college.  Call it what you want, fear, security or paranoia, things just changed.

Like seatbelts I am not in fear of flying through my window to the point that I think every oncoming car is going to collide with me causing inordinate fear of traffic and related anxiety or other physiological changes caused by paranoia.  

 Its just safer to wear a seatbelt, but by your logic it paranoia because I did it exclusively for self protection.  So installing a security camera doorbell that allows me to see whos outside before I open the door is a sign of mental illness.


Now you're being silly and taking it to the Nth degree.

There is a tiny line between what some consider a "safety measure" and all out paranoia.
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Re: Good Guys With Guns
Reply #49 - 11/13/18 at 22:06:39
 
If people could know when something bad was gonna happen, they could be prepared.

Everyone who was MURDERED by the crazy guy would have been told
You don't NEED a gun
That's paranoid

But
TT was wrong.

The same reason for seatbelts and riding gear
You Just Don't Know
When someone is going to screw up.

Being able to defend yourself and people around you is a socially responsible thing to do.
Why you lefties aren't screaming for more people to be armed I don't understand.
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Reply #50 - 11/13/18 at 22:35:56
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 11/13/18 at 22:06:39:
If people could know when something bad was gonna happen, they could be prepared.

Everyone who was MURDERED by the crazy guy would have been told
You don't NEED a gun
That's paranoid

But
TT was wrong.

The same reason for seatbelts and riding gear
You Just Don't Know
When someone is going to screw up.

Being able to defend yourself and people around you is a socially responsible thing to do.
Why you lefties aren't screaming for more people to be armed I don't understand.


‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
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Reply #51 - 11/13/18 at 23:17:03
 
Funny how the
Crazies
Find groups of unarmed people to
Express their Crazy.
When they are gunned down in seconds and don't get to kill a Buncha People,
You will see those instances Dr o p.

Knife attack in Europe
Car slammed into pedestrian

Allow people to be able to defend themselves.
Ohhh
Nice dodge.
You're wrong about people who are armed.
It's not paranoid.
It's reasonable.
Like a fire extinguisher in the house.
You DON'T KNOW when something bad will happen.
And
NO
You DON'T get to remove guns from society.
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Reply #52 - 11/14/18 at 09:22:07
 
Serowbot wrote on 11/13/18 at 15:31:34:
If a shooting happens in a theatre, and there are eight armed guys,... seven will be dead before the shooting stops. At least...

I don’t agree with that scenario.

Look at it, realistically.
Don’t be just saying it to install,  FEAR, in peoples minds.

Dark movie theater.
Seats 300,
their are 150 people in 'their'.
8 are ‘good guys with guns’.

Your, pure FEAR Planting,
‘Assumes’, the bad guy with a gun, KNOWS, who, and exactly where, the 8 people, (out of 150), are in a dark theater. And shoots them First !

The only way, your, FEAR  Planting scenario would work.
Is if their are ONLY, 8 people in the theater,
(and each of the 8 had a gun)

It has been said, their is a big difference between paper, and defensive, shooting.

I believe, (have not seen any study/poll on the subject), that the people, that cannot differentiate between paper/defensive shooting, are the same people, that do not have a clue, what that extra pedal on the floor of a car is for.
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Reply #53 - 11/14/18 at 09:30:22
 
T And T Garage wrote on 11/13/18 at 22:35:56:
‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

WHO,
would actually Be-leave, the above phrase.
Because it was said by the, 'Onion'.

(and only 5 times)

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Reply #54 - 11/14/18 at 10:14:18
 
MnSpring wrote on 11/14/18 at 09:30:22:
T And T Garage wrote on 11/13/18 at 22:35:56:
‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

WHO,
would actually Be-leave, the above phrase.
Because it was said by the, 'Onion'.

(and only 5 times)

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You don't understand it, obviously.

Pull your head out long enough to see that it's actually true.

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Reply #55 - 11/14/18 at 10:49:55
 
T And T Garage wrote on 11/14/18 at 10:14:18:
Pull your head out long enough to see that it's actually true.

(regarding the ONION saying: ‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens and pass it along as, Truth.)
And someone is to believe you, BECAUSE, you believe Ford.
And you believe YHAOOOOOOOO, is totally UN-biased, in it’s selection of ’news’, and it own reporting.
And you believe, None of the Illegal’s coming into this Country, ask for a, Handout.
And you believe, the USA should import MORE, refugees, (well as long as they are not in, ‘Your Back Yard’), who don’t have any desire to become part of this country.
And you believe, if someone says: ’That person is Lazy’. (and that persons skin is black), they are a Racist.
And you believe, if someone says: ’That Person tried to Kill me’, (and  that persons religion is Muslim), they are  islamphonic.
And you believe, if someone says: ’That person just grabbed my ‘stuff’,  (and  that person is LGBT), they are homophobic.
And you believe, in calling ANYONE, who does not believe, EXACTLY as YOU, all sorts of names.

A-Yeppers, I sure amy goona believes yous now.


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Reply #56 - 11/14/18 at 10:59:57
 
MnSpring wrote on 11/14/18 at 10:49:55:
T And T Garage wrote on 11/14/18 at 10:14:18:
Pull your head out long enough to see that it's actually true.

(regarding the ONION saying: ‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens and pass it along as, Truth.)
And someone is to believe you, BECAUSE, you believe Ford.
And you believe YHAOOOOOOOO, is totally UN-biased, in it’s selection of ’news’, and it own reporting.
And you believe, None of the Illegal’s coming into this Country, ask for a, Handout.
And you believe, the USA should import MORE, refugees, (well as long as they are not in, ‘Your Back Yard’), who don’t have any desire to become part of this country.
And you believe, if someone says: ’That person is Lazy’. (and that persons skin is black), they are a Racist.
And you believe, if someone says: ’That Person tried to Kill me’, (and  that persons religion is Muslim), they are  islamphonic.
And you believe, if someone says: ’That person just grabbed my ‘stuff’,  (and  that person is LGBT), they are homophobic.
And you believe, in calling ANYONE, who does not believe, EXACTLY as YOU, all sorts of names.

A-Yeppers, I sure amy goona believes yous now.





Yeah mn, you represent the conservatives on here very well.

Nicely done.


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Reply #57 - 11/14/18 at 12:11:47
 
T And T Garage wrote on 11/14/18 at 10:59:57:
Yeah mn, you represent the conservatives on here very well.

People may or may not, agree or not, with part/s or piece/s of what I say.
However I don’t ‘represent’ anyone, but myself, on this forum.

It does look like, you, represent,
UL, Socialistic, Progressive, Comic Book characters.
How’s that worken for ya ?

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Reply #58 - 11/14/18 at 14:07:29
 
T And T Garage wrote on 11/13/18 at 18:03:44:
If your intent is ONLY self protection, then yes, you're paranoid.

WOW, So putting up a Smoke Alarm, makes one ‘paranoid’
Buying a Fire  Extinguishers makes one  ‘paranoid’
Putting on a seat belt, makes one  ‘paranoid’
Putting on a helmet driving a MC makes one  ‘paranoid’
Putting ATGATT when driving a MC makes one  ‘paranoid’
Looking both ways at a 4 way stop makes one  ‘paranoid’
Looking for in coming traffic at a green stoplight makes one  ‘paranoid’
Having a life jacket in a boat makes one  ‘paranoid’
Knowing where your hunting partners are, and wearing Orange makes one  ‘paranoid’
Not walking up to a Brown Bear with a Hamburger makes one  ‘paranoid’
Not going into certain parts of Chicago at 2AM makes one  ‘paranoid’

And the list goes on and on, and on, and on, …

The, intent, for ALL the above things is, ‘self protection’,
(or perhaps you wish to SPIN up another reason)
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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Reply #59 - 11/14/18 at 14:41:46
 
How many people are accidentally killed by life jackets every year?...
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