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Reply #15 - 11/09/18 at 08:46:55
 
Lot of Canadians streaming across the border.......???
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Reply #16 - 11/09/18 at 09:08:03
 
Serowbot wrote on 11/09/18 at 08:11:27:
Your credibility was lost with "Porch "N"...


You lost the debate, right there.
You can not defeat the logic, so you pretend I'm abhorrent.
Screw that.
You have nothing to defend your position.
But don't learn how to discern the difference between racism and law.
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Reply #17 - 11/09/18 at 11:02:20
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 11/09/18 at 07:46:21:
Who decided
What America Stands For?
The immigration laws?


No.  What does it say on Ellis Island?  What is this country composed of?  How did they get here?  Why did millions come here from different countries?  Why do they call us the melting pot?

What the hell do you think America is?
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Reply #18 - 11/09/18 at 11:15:58
 
Eegore wrote on 11/09/18 at 08:03:51:
 So a lot of this reminds me of my time working in a medical center where ER admissions are handled by level of acuity not by first come first serve.

 To work around ED wait times people would claim "chest pain" and get bumped to the front of the line.  The metrics would show that heart attacks and strokes were through the roof, but the real issue was people lying to get in faster.  

 I wonder if we let 2000 immigrants walk in and offer asylum to them how many more will start showing up, lying to get in.



Since World War II, more refugees have found homes in the U.S. than any other nation and more than two million refugees have arrived in the U.S. since 1980. In the years 2005 through 2007, the number of asylum seekers accepted into the U.S. was about 40,000 per year.
Wikipedia

On average, the US has granted asylum to about 25,000 per year since 2005.  In the period of 2001 and '02 - there were over 70,000.

We have the capacity.  What's more - most of these refugees become taxpayers and contribute to our country in a positive way.

IMHO - this is nothing but posturing from an impotent president.

Some great reading here:

htt://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/01/30/key-facts-about-refugees-to-th...
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Reply #19 - 11/09/18 at 12:22:41
 
T And T Garage wrote on 11/09/18 at 11:02:20:
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 11/09/18 at 07:46:21:
Who decided
What America Stands For?
The immigration laws?


No.  What does it say on Ellis Island?  What is this country composed of?  How did they get here?  Why did millions come here from different countries?  Why do they call us the melting pot?

What the hell do you think America is?


Some poet writing sweet platitudes doesn't make immigration law.

Let's play
Fair

How many people actually spent the time to approach America and enter legally?
What does it say to them if we just say
You're here, you're angry, and you want in.

Okay,

Really?
Gosh, all those Latinos who DON'T want to open the border are So Racist..
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Reply #20 - 11/09/18 at 12:36:26
 
"We have the capacity.  What's more - most of these refugees become taxpayers and contribute to our country in a positive way."

 I'm not contending that we are out of space, or resources in general, I am asking if we should offer asylum to anyone that claims it, even if they are lying.

 By that logic we shouldn't have asylum at all and just allocate more taxes to creating a safe method to move large amounts of immigrants into the US.

 The ER has the capacity to treat patients, but should they treat any patient that says they have "chest pain" first, even if they do not have that symptom?
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Reply #21 - 11/09/18 at 13:12:38
 
Eegore wrote on 11/09/18 at 12:36:26:
"We have the capacity.  What's more - most of these refugees become taxpayers and contribute to our country in a positive way."

 I'm not contending that we are out of space, or resources in general, I am asking if we should offer asylum to anyone that claims it, even if they are lying.

 By that logic we shouldn't have asylum at all and just allocate more taxes to creating a safe method to move large amounts of immigrants into the US.

 The ER has the capacity to treat patients, but should they treat any patient that says they have "chest pain" first, even if they do not have that symptom?



yes, cause you can't tell they are lying until it's too late

it's "do no harm," not "don't waste time"

and if you figure out they are lying, then you punish them AFTER
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Reply #22 - 11/09/18 at 14:40:16
 
Eegore wrote on 11/09/18 at 12:36:26:
"We have the capacity.  What's more - most of these refugees become taxpayers and contribute to our country in a positive way."

 I'm not contending that we are out of space, or resources in general, I am asking if we should offer asylum to anyone that claims it, even if they are lying.

Well, were all those from Kosovo (in 2001 & 02) lying?  Who gave them polygraph tests?

 By that logic we shouldn't have asylum at all and just allocate more taxes to creating a safe method to move large amounts of immigrants into the US.

Again, go back to the refugees from Kosovo.  Should we have turned them away?

 The ER has the capacity to treat patients, but should they treat any patient that says they have "chest pain" first, even if they do not have that symptom?


Well Eegor, if a guy and his family are willing to walk 1000 miles to get away from whatever it is, I'd say that's a little different than faking chest pain.  Especially given the "warm" reception they're going to get from our politicians.

Taking these people into consideration (no, not letting them just march in) is what this country is all about.

Xenophobia is ugly.
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Reply #23 - 11/09/18 at 16:19:50
 
Xenophobia is ugly.

Uhh, whose fault is it that immigrants are

USUALLY NOT AMERICANS?
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Reply #24 - 11/09/18 at 18:14:01
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 11/09/18 at 16:19:50:
Xenophobia is ugly.

Uhh, whose fault is it that immigrants are

USUALLY NOT AMERICANS?



Hey jog - how much of a stink did you put up in '01 & '02 when we took in tens of thousands from Europe, hmmm?

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Reply #25 - 11/09/18 at 19:14:20
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 11/09/18 at 16:19:50:
Xenophobia is ugly.

Uhh, whose fault is it that immigrants are

USUALLY NOT AMERICANS?


Webster's....   that dictionary guy, the summbitch...   always screwing with your werds.... yo!
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