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T And T Garage Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 9839	Another Mass Shooting 11/08/18 at 07:06:14 So... how are those hopes and prayers working out, huh? http://www.yahoo.com/news/authorities-multiple-injuries-shooting-california-0... So f-ing sick of seeing this.
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28362 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Another Mass Shooting Reply #1 - 11/08/18 at 07:48:27 The killer was identified as Ian David Long, a 28-year-old former Marine. Good guy with a gun,.. bad guy with a gun. How do you distinguish them?...
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Reply #2 - 11/08/18 at 07:59:12

Usually the guy killing people for no reason is the bad guy.
When the bad guy is the only one who has a gun, good guys are ineffective.
This guy, a marine, apparently had been there and knew who the security personnel were, and took them out first.
Why did he do that?
Why go kill people and then yourself?
If you're gonna kill yourself, start with That.
He had a magazine that was illegal.

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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28362 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Another Mass Shooting Reply #3 - 11/08/18 at 08:08:39 So, where do you go to get an illegal magazine? Jail that person,.. charge them with murder. Seller and manufacturer both. Shut them down.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Another Mass Shooting Reply #4 - 11/08/18 at 08:20:23 He could have had the magazine Before it was made illegal In California. In other places It's Not illegal. Don't see how it would have mattered. Slide locks back Push the button Magazine falls away Slap in another Push a button Slide slams shut Pull trigger About two seconds
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28362 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Another Mass Shooting Reply #5 - 11/08/18 at 08:25:54 Two seconds is time enough to throw chair, smash a bottle, do something like your life depends on it. How many dead wish they had those two seconds...
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Reply #6 - 11/08/18 at 08:31:41

You're correct.
But
How many people who are sucking linoleum even Know the guy is empty?
How many people who are trying to get away from danger Can grab something, turn around, and attack? It's been done, but not more than once in my memory.
Seems like a guy at a Waffle House disarmed a gunman while he was trying to reload.
Being the only one who has a gun seems to be quite an advantage.
I WOnder what a possible solution could be...
Hmmm...

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28752 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Another Mass Shooting Reply #7 - 11/08/18 at 08:32:17 justin_o_guy2 wrote on 11/08/18 at 08:20:23: He could have had the magazine Before it was made illegal In California. It's illegal, period. They were not grandfathered in. Turn them in or get rid of them. So they went to the local gangbanger.
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Reply #8 - 11/08/18 at 08:42:05

Serowbot wrote on 11/08/18 at 08:08:39:

So, where do you go to get an illegal magazine?
Jail that person,.. charge them with murder.
Seller and manufacturer both.
Shut them down.

So, where do you go to get an illegal magazine?

Again, he may have had it Before it was illegal. I'm not concerned about it beyond
Answering the question.
Arrest his deadass.

That it was not grandfathered in doesn't matter.
He was going to murder people.
That's kinda illegal.
How he came to possess the magazine was the question.
I offered a reasonable answer as to how he May have done that.
Do I need to type out every other reasonable possibility?
Who's shocked that a marine wouldn't turn in a magazine that was legal yesterday but isn't today?
Who would?

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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28362 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Another Mass Shooting Reply #9 - 11/08/18 at 08:51:07 More guns ain't gonna' fix it. The cop had a gun,.. he's dead. He was trained, he was a good guy, he knew the shooter was there. He's still dead. And the shooter eventually shot himself... the good guy didn't get him. This won't fix until we face facts.
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Reply #10 - 11/08/18 at 09:04:05

This won't fix until we face facts.

Yeah, you're right.
One good guy with a gun wasn't enough.
Bad guys win gunfights sometimes.
Seatbelts and helmets don't always save lives.
Should we declare them loser ideas?
The only answer to a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
Tell me, would you be wishing for a gun in your hand in a situation like that?
If
More Guns
ISN'T the answer
Why call the cops? Isn't that Exactly what they bring?

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Reply #11 - 11/08/18 at 09:19:07

Apparently, the cops had visited this guy before. A mental health group decided not to submit him to further evaluation.

The magazine was illegal in California, but then again, so is murder.

We can keep going with our usual conversation we have on here after one of these shootings or we can not.

There are 300 million + guns in the US so you can't confiscate all of them. There are people with basements full of ammo so you can't confiscate the ammo. It takes a couple minutes to modify a magazine so you can't confiscate all of those. And ultimately, 99.99999% of guns are never used in a crime so there's that.

The one denominator is mental health. Stop with the gun talk. That will get no results. Guns are all around us. That toothpaste is out of the tube and it ain't going back in. California made a big deal about their magazine law and as we see, it did nothing.

Start looking at the people, not the weapon. Stop demonizing everyone who owns a gun. Stop using the NRA as a convenient target. The NRA is made up of people, it's me, it might be you, I don't know. The NRA is a organization of people, it's not an independent monster hiding in the dark.

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Reply #12 - 11/08/18 at 09:20:12

One of those killed was sheriff's Sgt. Ron Helus, who was cut down when he tried to enter the club with Highway Patrol officers responding to the gunfire.

A gunman in a crowded bar has a distinct advantage over people who are coming in.
The cop wasn't IN the bar when the shooting started.
The cop wasn't blended into the crowd. The cop had a target on his chest.
Maybe you don't understand the distinction between
Good Guys with a gun
And
Cops.
Please tell me you won't be needing it spelled out,
Because I have no intention of typing it out.

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T And T Garage Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 9839	Re: Another Mass Shooting Reply #13 - 11/08/18 at 09:28:44 Sad when The Onion is so prescient - they've posted this in the past and just bring it back every time this sh!t happens: *‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens* http://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-...
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28752 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Another Mass Shooting Reply #14 - 11/08/18 at 09:41:56 https://goo.gl/images/PY4Myd
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