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09/19/18 at 15:11:53
 
I keep hearing about how folks just loath Trump and the conservative agenda.
How the country can't stand the man, its on the wrong course, etc.
That because of the republicans wrong view for america, a blue wave is cresting.....

I go back to all the stories written about the republicans/conservatism, as dead, moot, gone for good, with Obama's first term election.

The republican party was whipped, disheartened, finished.

Yet.

Obama's first midterm, the PERFECT opportunity to expand on their power that was EMBRACED by the country....

More liberalism and progressive power to propel the country to this new defined agenda mandate.....

But.....

Seats in Congress Gained/Lost by the President's Party in Mid-Term Elections
   F. Roosevelt - Trump

Year      Lame Duck?      
President
Party      president's job approval %            
House Seats
Senate Seats
early Aug      late Aug      early Sep      late Sep      early Oct      late Oct
1934            Franklin D. Roosevelt      D      nd      nd      nd      nd      nd      nd      +9      +9
1938            Franklin D. Roosevelt      D      nd      nd      nd      nd      nd      60      -71      -6
1942            Franklin D. Roosevelt      D      74      nd      74      nd      nd      nd      -55      -9
1946            Harry S. Truman      D      nd      nd      33      nd      nd      27      -45      -12
1950      LD*      Harry S. Truman      D      nd      43      35      35      43      41      
-29
-6
1954            Dwight D. Eisenhower      R      67      62      nd      66      62      nd      -18      -1
1958      LD      Dwight D. Eisenhower      R      58      56      56      54      57      nd      -48      
-13
1962            John F. Kennedy      D      nd      67      nd      63      nd      61      -4      +3
1966      †      Lyndon B. Johnson      D      51      47      nd      nd      44      44      -47      
-4
1970            Richard Nixon      R      55      55      57      51      58      nd      -12      +2
1974      ±      Gerald R. Ford (Nixon)      R      71      nd      66      50      53      nd      -48      
-5
1978            Jimmy Carter      D      39      43      43      48      nd      49      -15      -3
1982            Ronald Reagan      R      41      42      nd      42      nd      42      -26      +1
1986      LD      Ronald Reagan      R      nd      64      nd      63      64      nd      -5      
-8
1990            George Bush      R      75      73      54      nd      nd      57      -8      -1
1994            William J. Clinton      D      43      40      40      44      43      48      -52      -8
1998      LD      William J. Clinton      D      65      62      63      66      65      65      +5      
0
2002            George W. Bush      R      nd      66      66      66      68      67      +8      +2
2006      LD      George W. Bush      R      37      42      39      44      37      37      -30      
-6
2010            Barack Obama      D      44      44      45      45      45      45      -63      -6
2014      LD      Barack Obama      D      42      42      41      43      42      41      -13      
-9
2018            Donald J Trump      R      40      41      39                  
     

Those are approval numbers, then house results, then senate.

Why did he not expand instead of historical losses, if what we were told was true?

Was the deplorables already a factor, or was his election a anti hillary choice, and folks saw they bought a clunker?

But again, if it was the liberal mandate that won, folks really wanted that, Obama would not have factored in, either way.

I see it as a repudiation of the lies told by liberals to get elected, then to quickly abandon once elected, and folks spanked them down REAL HARD once given the very first opportunity.

         
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raydawg wrote on 09/19/18 at 15:11:53:
I keep hearing about how folks just loath Trump and the conservative agenda.

Just look at the polls ray.  It's not just "folks", it's everyone.

How the country can't stand the man, its on the wrong course, etc.

With that idiot at the helm, we have no idea what course we're on.  Have you seen the latest from North Korea?

That because of the republicans wrong view for america, a blue wave is cresting.....

Not all republicans, but a vast majority.  As well as some establishment democrats (oh, I hope I didn't offend.  I know you're a dem, sorry)

I go back to all the stories written about the republicans/conservatism, as dead, moot, gone for good, with Obama's first term election.

The republican party was whipped, disheartened, finished.

Yet.

Obama's first midterm, the PERFECT opportunity to expand on their power that was EMBRACED by the country....

More liberalism and progressive power to propel the country to this new defined agenda mandate.....

But.....

Seats in Congress Gained/Lost by the President's Party in Mid-Term Elections
   F. Roosevelt - Trump

Year      Lame Duck?      
President
Party      president's job approval %            
House Seats
Senate Seats
early Aug      late Aug      early Sep      late Sep      early Oct      late Oct
1934            Franklin D. Roosevelt      D      nd      nd      nd      nd      nd      nd      +9      +9
1938            Franklin D. Roosevelt      D      nd      nd      nd      nd      nd      60      -71      -6
1942            Franklin D. Roosevelt      D      74      nd      74      nd      nd      nd      -55      -9
1946            Harry S. Truman      D      nd      nd      33      nd      nd      27      -45      -12
1950      LD*      Harry S. Truman      D      nd      43      35      35      43      41      
-29
-6
1954            Dwight D. Eisenhower      R      67      62      nd      66      62      nd      -18      -1
1958      LD      Dwight D. Eisenhower      R      58      56      56      54      57      nd      -48      
-13
1962            John F. Kennedy      D      nd      67      nd      63      nd      61      -4      +3
1966      †      Lyndon B. Johnson      D      51      47      nd      nd      44      44      -47      
-4
1970            Richard Nixon      R      55      55      57      51      58      nd      -12      +2
1974      ±      Gerald R. Ford (Nixon)      R      71      nd      66      50      53      nd      -48      
-5
1978            Jimmy Carter      D      39      43      43      48      nd      49      -15      -3
1982            Ronald Reagan      R      41      42      nd      42      nd      42      -26      +1
1986      LD      Ronald Reagan      R      nd      64      nd      63      64      nd      -5      
-8
1990            George Bush      R      75      73      54      nd      nd      57      -8      -1
1994            William J. Clinton      D      43      40      40      44      43      48      -52      -8
1998      LD      William J. Clinton      D      65      62      63      66      65      65      +5      
0
2002            George W. Bush      R      nd      66      66      66      68      67      +8      +2
2006      LD      George W. Bush      R      37      42      39      44      37      37      -30      
-6
2010            Barack Obama      D      44      44      45      45      45      45      -63      -6
2014      LD      Barack Obama      D      42      42      41      43      42      41      -13      
-9
2018            Donald J Trump      R      40      41      39                  
     

Those are approval numbers, then house results, then senate.

Why did he not expand instead of historical losses, if what we were told was true?

You believe everything you're told, or do you rely on facts?  Historically, evidenced by your cryptic chart (next time, try and post a pic or link), most first term presidents lose seats in both houses.  Yes, even the great Ronald Reagan *gasp*

It's related to their approval rating.  Look at how pathetic trump's is (with a good economy even!)


Was the deplorables already a factor, or was his election a anti hillary choice, and folks saw they bought a clunker?

He was voted for because people wanted change and (to an equal degree) they vote against hillary.

But again, if it was the liberal mandate that won, folks really wanted that, Obama would not have factored in, either way.

Again, look to history.  Look at voter turnout.  It's not just about the president - it's far more complex than that.

I see it as a repudiation of the lies told by liberals to get elected, then to quickly abandon once elected, and folks spanked them down REAL HARD once given the very first opportunity.

Wow, nice use of that $7 word....  but that don't hold water.

It's not a 'repudiation' for lies (if that were the case, the House, Senate and every single incumbent out there at the state level would be gone.)
It's not as simple as black and white.  For one thing, follow the money.  Another, look at the incumbents.  Then look at the redistricting.

Nah, you probably wouldn't wanna do that.  
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Reply #2 - 09/19/18 at 19:47:43
 
Jog, Web, your thoughts?

It was reported it was OVER for conservatives after Obama won and took many along for the ride....
It didn't even last 2 years.

Why?
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Historically the party in power loses seats in mid terms.
We will have to wait and see.
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justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/19/18 at 20:26:41:
Historically the party in power loses seats in mid terms.
We will have to wait and see.


Jog, I think you miss my question.
I only use the fact of midterm losses as example.

We were TOLD the country had moved on, past, the "white man" with the election of Obama.
That Michele was finally proud of our country for the FIRST TIME EVER.
His day of rule was over.

But the FACTS are, none of this narrative has held, with Trump being the pinnacle of fact that shows otherwise.....
Which I believe is driving liberals crazy, because they believed all the HYPE.

We are being told presently again that this election is about kicking out the white man again, yes?  
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You gotta link for that table or are we supposed to take LSD to comprehend it?
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verslagen1 wrote on 09/20/18 at 07:27:04:
You gotta link for that table or are we supposed to take LSD to comprehend it?


Gee, whatever happened to the snide remark: LOOK IT UP FOR YOURSELF  Grin

But for you buddy, take notice that was but with only one "T".....

I'd hate to let some measly minded snowflake read that with me calling you a buddy with two "t's" and ruining my stellar reputation based upon their own mental discrepancies and failings  Grin

Here ya go.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/mid-term_elections.php
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Thanks Vers cause when I saw that, I skipped right over it....

Dems own the media and entertainment culture so their popularity is always over stated.

I don't know how this mid-term will go. I'm fairly certain they'll be no blue wave. Maybe at best, a blue high tide. But it wouldn't surprise me to see no change in who controls Congress.

In my state of Missouri, I'm just not sure about our Senate race. All the polls have it a dead heat. The Republican candidate doesn't inspire anything other than a mild yawn but he's tied which tells me he could win. The Democrat's popularity in Missouri with voters who don't answer polls is still in the $hitter where it was 2 years ago when Trump won so if I had to place a small bet, I'd say Republicans will take that Senate seat, but I don't have the confidence in that to bet much.

The interesting thing to see is what happens if the Democrats do awful this mid-term? Will they get the message that leftist like Booker, Warren and Harris have zero national appeal? What would they do then? Turn to Eric Holder maybe for President and try to dial back their looney fringe for Congress?

If Republicans get creamed, will they abandon Trump? If they do, they'll never win the White House in 2020, he's their only hope of that. The Dems, thinking the country has moved strongly left, will put up a loon like Booker or Harris and we'll have quite a fight.


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Thanks Web, seems everybody is acting with cautiousness, which to me translate to the fallacy of a blue wave, but like you reference, is being driven my the liberal media narrative.
I will once again fall back to my argument that we were told this EXACT same thing with Obama's win.
We do have the luxury of looking back now and seeing their prophecies as false.
Seems we've been here before, and those promoting and predicting this "wave" have not changed the basic premise of party platform, no, only that Trump is a idiot.

I also wonder about how many decline to answer truthfully about supporting the republicans, in polls, because they don't want to be kicked out of restaurants?  Grin
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verslagen1 wrote on 09/20/18 at 07:27:04:
You gotta link for that table or are we supposed to take LSD to comprehend it?

I thought it was just me... Grin
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raydawg wrote on 09/20/18 at 07:26:12:
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/19/18 at 20:26:41:
Historically the party in power loses seats in mid terms.
We will have to wait and see.


Jog, I think you miss my question.
I only use the fact of midterm losses as example.

We were TOLD the country had moved on, past, the "white man" with the election of Obama.

Who told you that ray?  Whoever it was was wrong.  Are you having a tough time getting over that?

That Michele was finally proud of our country for the FIRST TIME EVER.
His day of rule was over.

And your point?

But the FACTS are, none of this narrative has held, with Trump being the pinnacle of fact that shows otherwise.....
Which I believe is driving liberals crazy, because they believed all the HYPE.

WTF does that mean?

We are being told presently again that this election is about kicking out the white man again, yes?  

Huh?  Not at all.  First off, I'm not sure where the he!! you get your info.  Second, this election will be about the establishment and whether or not it will continue.  I'd say it won't.  Those that refuse PAC money are gaining ground quickly.  Medicare for all is hugely popular.

Pay attention ray.  Your democratic party is changing.
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Serowbot wrote on 09/20/18 at 08:27:36:
verslagen1 wrote on 09/20/18 at 07:27:04:
You gotta link for that table or are we supposed to take LSD to comprehend it?

I thought it was just me... Grin


I C&P'eed it........

Not sure why it reformatted  Grin

Maybe it reality that is EXACTLY what our political arena looks like  Smiley  
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WebsterMark wrote on 09/20/18 at 07:50:19:
Thanks Vers cause when I saw that, I skipped right over it....

Dems own the media and entertainment culture so their popularity is always over stated.

I don't know how this mid-term will go. I'm fairly certain they'll be no blue wave. Maybe at best, a blue high tide. But it wouldn't surprise me to see no change in who controls Congress.

In my state of Missouri, I'm just not sure about our Senate race. All the polls have it a dead heat. The Republican candidate doesn't inspire anything other than a mild yawn but he's tied which tells me he could win. The Democrat's popularity in Missouri with voters who don't answer polls is still in the $hitter where it was 2 years ago when Trump won so if I had to place a small bet, I'd say Republicans will take that Senate seat, but I don't have the confidence in that to bet much.

The interesting thing to see is what happens if the Democrats do awful this mid-term? Will they get the message that leftist like Booker, Warren and Harris have zero national appeal? What would they do then? Turn to Eric Holder maybe for President and try to dial back their looney fringe for Congress?

If Republicans get creamed, will they abandon Trump? If they do, they'll never win the White House in 2020, he's their only hope of that.

I honestly don't know how or why you think that mark.... His popularity is historically low for any president in his first term - especially given the strong economy...

The Dems, thinking the country has moved strongly left, will put up a loon like Booker or Harris and we'll have quite a fight.

The country has always been more to the left than right.  It's why we have Medicare, medicaid, unemployment benefits, social security and all the other "welfare" programs.

As to who they put up against (pence?) in 2020?  That remains to be seen.  But you can bet, that candidate will be help to a higher, progressive agenda than ever before.  (there's a reason Bernie is still so popular today)




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there's a command for tables, but I've never been able to get it to work.
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raydawg wrote on 09/20/18 at 08:03:13:
Thanks Web, seems everybody is acting with cautiousness, which to me translate to the fallacy of a blue wave, but like you reference, is being driven my the liberal media narrative.

And polling.  It's not just a rumor, there is some truth to it.

I will once again fall back to my argument that we were told this EXACT same thing with Obama's win.

Again, "told" by whom?  Polling around Obama's midterm was exactly as predicted.  PEW gave a 6 point advantage in overall votes to the republicans in 2010 - and that panned out.

We do have the luxury of looking back now and seeing their prophecies as false.

Seriously ray, whose "prophecies"?  I don't recall a single (reputable) news source saying anything of the kind.  Do you have any links or facts to back up that claim?

Seems we've been here before, and those promoting and predicting this "wave" have not changed the basic premise of party platform, no, only that Trump is a idiot.

Well ray, in a midterm, that's all you need.  A president with historically low approval ratings will surely lose a lot of support for his party.  Just look at your chart.

I also wonder about how many decline to answer truthfully about supporting the republicans, in polls, because they don't want to be kicked out of restaurants?  Grin  


It's not about supporting republicans - it's about supporting trump.  The man is an idiot, and the republicans are idiots for keeping him around.  If there is indeed a "blue wave", there will be impeachment talk and trump may be forced to resign - à la nixon.
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