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Re: Fox poll, NHS...
Reply #15 - 08/04/18 at 09:38:20

MnSpring wrote on 08/04/18 at 09:24:49:

Here is a possible happening.

The USA, stops it tremendous funding of other nations defenses,
(Which the USA spends MORE, than the top 5 countries Combined)
And then just funds, this one.
Now a huge amount of money, (your collected taxes), is available, and it goes to, ‘insurance’ so that their is a NHS, and it is FREE, (Well not really, YOU paid the taxes, but it is, apparently so, because the taxes are not raised, because the USA, Stopped, Defending the nations, who are, ‘civilized’)

Works for a while, tell the accountants see that a hospital is charging $10.00 for a Aspirin. So they make a law, that a hospital can only charge, $0.01 for a Aspirin.
Soon the rest of the items go the same way.
So now, a Doctor only can make X amount. (Unless he/she goes into private practice)

(Here is a part T&T says he can’t understand)
Ever go into a, store, a salesperson comes up, (if it happens at all), and in a voice like Marvin from HHGTTG, he/she says: ‘canihelpyou’.
Well that would be the H.C. Staff, once the ultra-liberal accounts get their way.

BUT, you break leg, it gets fixed, and it’s FREE. (well not really, but at no extra cost to you)
Yet you are diagnosed with a serious condition, and you, MAY, get a appointment to deal with it in a year or two.
So you go to the, ‘private’ place, and you pay out of pocket.

What would be a solution ?
One thing I believe would greatly help, is to open up, ALL insurance companies to cover EVERYBODY.
That is called, ‘Competition’. That is NOT happening now.
Today, it is, ONLY, ’select’, companies that are, ‘allowed’ to sell in a certain area. (Gee can one say Left Hand Dollar?)
(OH, T&T, do you need, 'left hand dollar', explained to you ?)

Well, I've never heard that term before...

It is Just like a gas station in a town, where for 100 miles around their is no other gas station, so they charge 5.00 for a gallon.
Yet the town that is 100 miles away, has 5 gas stations, and they charge 2.00 for, THE SAME gallon.

mn - your posts make no sense. There are so many strawmen that it looks like a farm. (do you get that analogy?)

I'm sorry I don't follow them. I'm also sorry you feel the need to continually call me out.

Maybe try to debate a topic without calling out other posters? Perhaps use fewer bold characters and proper punctuation?

But hey, that's only a suggestion and you are obviously entitled to your own opinion and to post it however you'd like.

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Re: Fox poll, NHS...
Reply #16 - 08/04/18 at 10:26:09

"How is it that we are the richest country on the planet, yet have a higher infant mortality rate than most industrialized countries? "

The goal is perhaps not to have kids live and grow and prosper and deliver value to the society? What's important, it could seem, is to prevent murder by abortion, once born they are free to perish.?

Of course, that is flippant and a low blow, but also points out that not everything we say, think or mean are thought through fully. A healthy people is a huge asset for a country and investing in sensible health care is something that make financial sense. Especially if people delivering health care doesn't have money-making as their primary goal, but instead focus on delivering a great service and proper value for money. YMMV.

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raydawg Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 11551 pacific northwest Gender:	Re: Fox poll, NHS... Reply #17 - 08/04/18 at 10:34:11 Oh, you and TT have similar posting characteristics..... Did you see this poll? https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/ibd-tipp-poll-media/
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faffi Senior Member Offline A.S.A.N. Posts: 327 Norway	Re: Fox poll, NHS... Reply #18 - 08/04/18 at 10:53:53 Even if things are on the rise, that does not prove that it couldn't be a lot better
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raydawg Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 11551 pacific northwest Gender:	Re: Fox poll, NHS... Reply #19 - 08/04/18 at 10:58:14 Well, isn’t the hope what drives people to better themselves and their lot? Give a man a fish, or teach him to fish...... A pessimist, or a optimist? Enjoy the moment, fret about the future, or complain about the past? Which seems more enjoyable?
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Reply #20 - 08/04/18 at 12:39:19

For profit works when we can shop for the best deals,...
You go to the gas station with the lowest gas prices.

If you have a health crisis, you can't know comparative costs.
Hospitals won't even give estimates.
And you can't predict outcomes.
If you're in an accident,... you can't call your provider and ask if the helicopter transport is covered.
They charge based on how much profit they need... or want,.. or can get...
There are no flat rates.
Most hospital bills are inaccurate, and almost always overcharge.

Even experts working full time can't evaluate all the comparative possibilities of HMO coverage.

If you can't compare,... how can you choose wisely?...
How can for profit benefit the consumer?...
All you're doing is paying a middleman to deny coverage based on profitability.

It just can't work for healthcare.

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Reply #21 - 08/04/18 at 14:54:59

Serowbot wrote on 08/04/18 at 12:39:19:

For profit ... ... just can't work for healthcare.

For profit works when we can shop for the best deals,...

Their are, Many, health care items, that, Can, be priced ahead of time.
Many.

If you have a health crisis, you can’t know comparative costs.

That would like being from MN, having a trailer break in AZ, and stop at the first place that looked like they could weld.
If I knew it was going to break on that trip, would have it welded, Before I went, after asking people, what it would cost.
In this case, I was at the total mercy of that person. (Fortunate he was skilled, and a very fair person)

Hospitals won’t even give estimates.
Yes they will, you Have to ask !

If you're in an accident,... you can't call your provider and ask if the helicopter transport is covered. There are no flat rates. Most hospital bills are inaccurate, and almost always overcharge.

True, because it is, NOT a planed event.
However one, can, negate price, after the fact.
Less adjustment because of less leverage, yet it can be done.
People just have to DO IT, but they don’t, “let the insurance take care of it”, they say.

If you can't compare,... how can you choose wisely?...
How can for profit benefit the consumer?...
All you're doing is paying a middleman to deny coverage based on profitability.
Yes it can. First, the competition among insurance companies.
Let it happen, do not let it be a absolute monopoly, with ‘kick backs’.
Then the price for care/procedure, will follow.
With the same thing being higher or lower, depending of the person doing the job.

Their are gas stations that sell for .99, another one for 1.01.
They are both in business, they are next to each other.
Something is different, does one have big bobbed friendly attendants, another greasy don’t care attendants ?
Does one have clean restrooms, and one not ?
Does one have the snacks you like and the other does not ?
Who knows, it is your choice.
Why are their $500.00 a hour Lawyers, and $50.00 per hour ones ?

For profit HC can work, and for profit HC, is Far better than, the fixed rate.
If the fixed care was better, why when I go to Rochester MN, (a good gun shop their), and drive by one of the Mayo Clinics parking lots, the VAST majority of cars I see, have Canadian Plates.

The insurance companies have to be allowed to compete.
Competition. The rest will follow.
But they are, GIVEN, a Monopoly on the business, by politicians, for a Kick Back.

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Re: Fox poll, NHS...
Reply #22 - 08/05/18 at 05:27:01

Serowbot wrote on 08/04/18 at 12:39:19:

For profit works when we can shop for the best deals,...
You go to the gas station with the lowest gas prices.

If you have a health crisis, you can't know comparative costs.
Hospitals won't even give estimates.
And you can't predict outcomes.
If you're in an accident,... you can't call your provider and ask if the helicopter transport is covered.
They charge based on how much profit they need... or want,.. or can get...
There are no flat rates.
Most hospital bills are inaccurate, and almost always overcharge.

Even experts working full time can't evaluate all the comparative possibilities of HMO coverage.

If you can't compare,... how can you choose wisely?...
How can for profit benefit the consumer?...
All you're doing is paying a middleman to deny coverage based on profitability.

It just can't work for healthcare.

You're somewhat proving my point. Healthcare and insurance are two different things, obviously closely tied together in this case. If healthcare insurance we're competitive, like every other form of insurance, we'd see real progress. Right now, there's too many hands in the cookie jar making a good living and not offering much value in the chain. That's a tough chain to break.

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