MnSpring wrote on 08/04/18 at 16:16:16:


Charlottesville comes to mind.....

also, the segregation movement in the south, yes, they were democrats, BUT, they were conservatives, they were trying to literally conserve their "way of life" they wanted to conserve the "status quo" of their time, they had the power, so, is it a riot when the Police do it?  Is it a riot when it's supported by the state???  
many peaceful demonstrations were turned violent by police actions.

oh and as for crying....



check the snowflakes on your side ....  

yes I admit the democrats had more or less the same reaction when Trump won, so let's quit pretending that our sides are so different and that one is better than the other... we are all human

I keep telling you lost, if you really want a tit-for-tat, you’ll lose.
Do you want videos of Trump’s inauguration? The kid with the Trump hat who got his soda thrown on his face? The guy in Chicago beaten on the street corner. It’s endless. Give up on this one.

WebsterMark wrote on 08/05/18 at 07:25:39:


No mark, I don't think he would lose.  Look at the hate groups in the country right now.  Most of them are conservative.  The KKK, the nazis, the alt-right, white-nationalists, etc.

Left-wing hate groups?  Antifa..... that's pretty much it.

Further, you have to ask - what's the motivation for the violence in these hate groups?  WHY are they violent?

On the right-wing, you have white-pride, racism, anti-muslim, anti-semitic, xenophobia, etc.

On the left-wing, you have anti-fascism, anti-nazi, anti-racism.

Now, you can go ahead and say that the kkk was a "left-wing" group at its founding - but everyone knows that the democratic party of today bares no resemblance to the party in the early part of the 20th Century.  All one needs to do is learn about the "Dixiecrats".

Violence is never the answer and I abhor the violence on both sides.  But again, look at where we are as a country today.  There is a verified nazi running for office in Illinois.  He's running as a republican.  How is that possible?  Why hasn't the Illinois republican party not kicked this guy to the curb?  They barely even tried. (well, lipinski is pretty much a republican, but still...)

Suffice it to say, there's plenty of violence on both sides.  But when you look at the motivation of that violence, that should tell you something.

WebsterMark wrote on 08/05/18 at 07:56:34:


That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it.

In my opinion if you don't have some form of TDS, then that is a problem in and of itself.

Our president is not worthy of the office he holds.

Again, in my (and millions of other's) opinion.

The top gear video is pretty revealing, and I remember laughing well while also being pretty scared that this could happen.

That said, I do not think this is any kind of match, even if some try to make it into a right vs left thing. It isn't. It's about intolerant people who are either daft or have an agenda that resort to violence, regardless of what their standpoint is. Personally, my experience from Europe in general and Norway in particular, is that the right side have more of an agenda, trying to stir riots and also trying to paint a gloom (and false) picture of the situation of the state(s) here.

There have been incidents where illegal nazi-groups have demonstrated for no other purpose than to provoke and where the police have refrained from doing anything.Sadly, there have also been human rights activists as well as just plain citizens that got provoked heavily enough to use violence. Not serious violence, but still enough. I wish they had not because that is what they are after.

However, if you observe episodes with grave violence, it is almost exclusively the right side of the fence that are the trendsetters on this side of the pond.

MnSpring wrote on 08/05/18 at 14:59:11:


No mn, we won't lose "bigly".  The only losers are those that follow their party blindly and blame everyone else for the problems of the world.

You should really take your own advice.

WebsterMark wrote on 08/05/18 at 16:05:34:



So, you consider protests "violence"?

I don't.

And again, some of these protests are against groups like the proud boys, the alt-right and white pride activists...

WebsterMark wrote on 08/05/18 at 17:17:13:


No, I won't give it up mark.  Our president is the most divisive in modern history.  The list you referenced are mostly protests and what they're protesting are the nationalist positions of the far right.

I don't support this president or his supporters that have such blind faith in him.

No, I won't give it up mark.