Be the change you wish to see in the world.
Not, I will show you mine, if you show me yours first.

Personally, I struggle pert near everyday with scripture, when my verse of the day, which I read every morning when I awaken, talks about loving others, etc.
It’s so much easier to blame “them” instead of working on my sinning nature.
I wish I could validate it as such, but then it would be like trying to ride a horse, to understanding, wisdom, and knowledge..... on a merry-go-round.

"If scripture worked we wouldn't have religious wars. "

 Except for the parts where scripture says to engage in war.

 I'm not going to say I disagree with a set of forum rules, but I think its considerably easier to just be professional and treat people with respect, even if they do not do the same to me.

 Problem on my end solved.

  I for one enjoy seeing other points of view about my personal life, for instance people were actually upset on here that I cut an old belt off a bike instead of removing it.  People make fun of the fact that I have employees, they call me an @sshole, they call me a liar, they say I am a disgrace, dangerous, rigid, and even get upset that I use modern tech like audio text on a phone or Alexa.  

 Who would have thought I'd learn all this on a motorcycle forum?  I have no problem with it.

eau de sauvage wrote on 07/24/18 at 22:59:03:


I take no offense.
I think you miss the premise of what I shared.
If anyone needs others to believe, behave, etc, in such a manner, and they don't......
And you find fault in that, acting justified in your actions because they caused it.....
Demanding, suggesting, they change, with, or without your own change, that is a ultimatum.

I don't think you grasp the fact that its YOU, who are in charge of his own joy and happiness, peace and serenity......
Not the actions of other.
Of course they can impact it, then the choice is yours to weigh, is their company worth keeping.....
That is solely your own decision, which can not be delegated to others, and your sole responsibility to yourself.

Simply put, without all my lecturing  

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

That is not intended as a dig, wishing you to go, no.....
But as a a repair to ones problems.
This wisdom truth has been passed along for generations, because it works.

If you care about yourself....
If the actions of others, on the site frustrate you....
Cause you anger, grief, or to lose your buzz....
Then you, and only you, decide whats best, for you.

You can't blame others, none of us can, this mindset is what is driving all this ugliness in much of the social media, etc.

It can never bring about lasting peace, never, it isn't theoretically possible, its not.    

PS: Just to clarify you remark about scripture not working for me.
Honestly, your statement is about as ignorant as they come, not dumb, ignorant, you know the difference?

Before God and His word, I really was lost, of no value, miserable.
Not enough drugs or booze, toys or chicks, money or whatever, to provide me a sustainable understanding of what happiness and joy is.

I simply could not live by the lies of man, his false promise, anymore....

The pusher man, the pimp, the salesman, and yes, even some preacher men, lied to me.

I was no longer a husband, a father, a friend, who cared about others, only my own self pity and loath.

My Jesus gave my wife a husband, my children, a father, and friends....
a true friend.
Not a enabler, no, but one who holds them accountable to our friendship, and expects them to hold me to the same.
Correct me with love, and except love as freely as you give it away.....

I can thank my Jesus, daily, for such a chance.

Your statement/observation, is spoken out of pure ignorance of the facts.

I am far away from perfect, I accept that, it gives me cause and reason to keep suiting up and getting into the game daily.

In AA, they have a saying, it prolly escapes a lot of folks.
I know when I first shared it with my wife, years ago, I think her innermost thought was prolly closer to WTF, instead of understanding the depth to what it reveals/says....

It is: I am a grateful alcoholic

Have a good one mate, hope I didn't bore you too much    

It's not that 'this section can now be closed', because of the implication that it 'won't alter anyone's opinion', but rather 'it should be closed because it's simply a steaming pile of dogsh!t, and it give the entire site a putrid odour.

Compare and contrast this forum with the gstwin.com forum, which in many ways is identical apart from the specific bike. Namely both bikes are Suzuki, and both bikes are 30 year old designs. Both forums have similar amount of very knowledgeable members and both have a similar level of activity.

There are community participation threads and tech threads. However the suzukisavage site has this putrid political forum which I find to be an embarrassment. It wasn't so bad before Trump because closet racists and black hearted nationalists (as opposed to patriots) would generally be a bit reticent about coming out.

However with Trump his modus operandi to stay in power is not to win the popular vote but to strategically win key states and key lobby groups, gun rights groups, and evangelical hypocritical christian groups. The only way to use these groups in a strategic way is to divide the nation and set Americans against Americans.

The way to do this is to play on fears, which is what the immigration bs does. So knowing this Trump purposely makes it OK to be a racist prick, this is why Rosanne Barr can come out and likenl Valerie Jarrett to Planet of the Apes. This is not the first either I refer you to this article where Pamela Ramsey Taylor referred to Michele Obama as 'an ape in heels'.

https://www.vox.com/identities/2016/12/28/14100862/west-virginia-nonprofit-of...

Trumps reinforces this with his 'sh!thole' countries remarks. Then after the Charlotteville racist 'there are fine people on both side', it's again a sly dogwhistle to say it's not only OK to come out as racist but it's OK to come out as a white supremacist.

Now what has this got to do with this forum today, I don't hear you ask? This... like Rosanne Barr the closet racists who on the whole are as thick as two planks and therefore unable to argue a point, find a forum for their stupidity and ugliness and feel empowered. Somehow they can now air their ugly creepy racism with apparent pride and they shore each other up.

This is what Trump has let out of the box. This ugliness is always there in any society but only in autocratic, theocratic or fascist regimes do we see it out in the open.

Whether or not opinions are changed is not the point, the point is that this forum has become just another platform for the right wing nut jobs, and as you can see from the gstwin.com forum, this political section is utterly f.ucking unnecessary.

First amendment, first amendment, they cry but there's no such thing as first amendment on a private forum, there's not such thing as 'censorship' on a private forum. And anyway there already is censorship, if I said what I really think I'd certainly be censored.

The forum has become so ugly that I can post a link to a worthwhile article to read and then the first post comes in by one of the nut jobs who post here referring to a different thread where I suggested Australia's free health care as a reason why I would not be jealous of the United States, as his only answer to a post of mine was that I 'must be jealous'. He then uses that remark as a first post in a thread with only a link to an article to say suggest I make use of my country's free health care, implying of course that I must be mentally ill.

Now one can only feel sorry for someone so creepy as to come up with that as an answer to a thread premise, but the point I'm making is that is what this forum has become. I would be embarrassed to send anyone to this Suzuki savage site now in case they came across the ugliness of this forum and I certainly will refrain from any further contributions to this site as long as the political forum remains.

However there is an alternative and that is proper moderation and I'm willing to do it. What that means is that posts with any personal attacks or indeed any personal references are automatically removed only what someone has written should be address, you address remarks.

Next anything that is off topic, should also be removed. After all this is a political forum.  People can then feel free to post even right wing nut job stuff, but then if someone answers their post with a factual reply they don't have to worry about getting abused. So we do not censor anyones opinion but we do remove personal abuse as an answer.

So if anyone wants to complain about the removal of this forum then please explain why we all do not agree to proper moderation. We can have a debate, a sticky thread where everyone can come in an agree to a set of rules that we all follow. That way once we've all agreed then we can self moderate. How does that sound.

For example I would suggest no personal abuse at all. I can't see how anyone could possibly object to that. Then perhaps we might debate what we consider to be personal abuse and where the limits are and once we all agree then we post it up as a detail forum rule.

Then if anyone feels these agreed forum rules are broken it can be reported to a mod like Serowbot who can remove the post based not on his personal opinion but based on the agreed rules.

It's one or the other, remove the forum or agree to proper rules. The only other way is the pile of dogsh!t that we currently have

[color=#ff0000]Are you kidding me?????? all you said above is it is the fault of everyone that does not think like YOU. I am insulted and think you should be kicked off just because of your presuppositions laid out about everyone that is a conservative and voted for and like Trump.  Actually take the time to look at what you are saying. This is the problem with the left and progressives in general. You want to mark everything you don't like as bad and silence it. Personally I think the problem is that I post relevant articles and the left wing nut jobs that still follow the Socialist Obama have to interfere with my conversation. Every statement posted above is political.

I rarely post out here, not because of the crazy Trump loving Right wing nuts but because of the Trump hating Left wing nuts.

You think this is because of Trump? This crap has been going on for years out here. In fact I would tell you the decisiveness really took off about ten years ago when Obama was elected and spent the next 8 years dividing America. It is what progressives do. If we silenced every person on the left that hurt my feeling or insulted me on this forum there would be no one left.

If you need a "Safe Place" go to another forum. THAT IS FREEDOM.[/color]

And if you don't like. care for, or concern yourself with what appears to be American politics and social issues, stay away from this part of the forum. I usually do.

[quote author=3026312C34212C37430 link=1532492637/0#8 date=1532541253]raydawg wrote on 07/25/18 at 09:12:47:


Now take a look at yourself, while I am looking at myself  

How this escapes folks, I've no clue.
I guess you can fault others because you is civil, they ain't.....
That is so convenient.

jcstokes wrote on 07/25/18 at 11:31:12:

And if you don't like. care for, or concern yourself with what appears to be American politics and social issues, stay away from this part of the forum. I usually do.

When you say 'care for' do you mean 'care about'? Because I do not care for American politics being down here in Oz, but I do care about the impact that your crazy pants president has down here, not to mention our soldiers end up dying in pointless US wars from Vietnam to Iraq.