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Re: Chrissy Tiegen blocked by Trump
Reply #30 - 07/12/18 at 13:16:34
 


No one needs to do anything, he is already a liar and fraudster, he has broken all ethical rules in order to use the presidency to enrich himself. He boasts about sexually assaulting women. He discredits himself and dishonours the entire office of the President. He punishes the US's allies and befriends her enemies. He is also a coward who would embarrass and then sack his own secretary of State via twitter. Worst of all his entire mode of operation in order to shore up his minority presidency is do divide the American people and set them against each other using the most basic of human fears. He in a word is scum and no one needs to do anything other than to draw attention to his actions which he himself chooses to do. Go Figger. [/quote]

This is why I can not be a progressive leftist, you have to throw away all reality.

Winston Churchill was also considered to be different but he was just what the country needed at the time.
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Reply #31 - 07/12/18 at 13:36:33
 
I hope you are not so beyond reason as to propose that Trump is what we need, although he is showing us just how far we haven't come in being healthy tolerant people.
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Reply #32 - 07/12/18 at 14:12:18
 
 Interesting reading about this topic for anyone that wants to see where the argument comes from.  The Standford paper reveals a lot.  Also a simple Google search with several descriptions, charts and videos on how Twitter blocking works.

https://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/laws/1978-act.html

https://www.archives.gov/about/laws/presidential-records.html

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1650425

 https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=HMRHW9W3IoqgjwTq2I_YBQ&q=How+block...
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Reply #33 - 07/12/18 at 15:00:54
 
eau de sauvage wrote on 07/12/18 at 00:43:55:



No one needs to do anything, he is already a liar and fraudster, he has broken all ethical rules in order to use the presidency to enrich himself. He boasts about sexually assaulting women. He discredits himself and dishonours the entire office of the President. He punishes the US's allies and befriends her enemies. He is also a coward who would embarrass and then sack his own secretary of State via twitter. Worst of all his entire mode of operation in order to shore up his minority presidency is do divide the American people and set them against each other using the most basic of human fears. He in a word is scum and no one needs to do anything other than to draw attention to his actions which he himself chooses to do. Go Figger.



That is basically how the majority of the Western world sees President Trump. However, we must remember that he wasn't elected by the world, and the world's opinion is rather irrelevant - what matter is the opinion of the American people because he is their president.
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Reply #34 - 07/12/18 at 16:42:58
 
Eegore wrote on 07/12/18 at 14:12:18:
 Interesting reading about this topic for anyone that wants to see where the argument comes from.  The Standford paper reveals a lot.  Also a simple Google search with several descriptions, charts and videos on how Twitter blocking works.
https://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/laws/1978-act.html
https://www.archives.gov/about/laws/presidential-records.html
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1650425
 https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=HMRHW9W3IoqgjwTq2I_YBQ&q=How+block...


Went Through all of those, read them all, did NOT see, ANY, reference to a, 'Law', that what a POTUS, said on a, 'twitter', is a, 'OFFICIAL', Government Statement.

Perhaps I missed it, could you point it out to me ?
 Thanks.

Did find this:  "Yes, Twitter has changed its blocking policy. Now, it says, "if you block another user, that user will not know that you have blocked them." With this new policy, unless your account is protected, the blockee can still follow you, add you to lists, see your tweets in his timeline, etc.
The blockee can see everything!"


Yes, "...where the argument comes from...." is interesting.
Still, where is the 'Fact', that Trumps, tweets are, 'Official', therefor affecting the 1st ?
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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Reply #35 - 07/12/18 at 18:25:56
 
faffi wrote on 07/12/18 at 15:00:54:
That is basically how the majority of the Western world sees President Trump. However, we must remember that he wasn't elected by the world, and the world's opinion is rather irrelevant - what matter is the opinion of the American people because he is their president.



The world's opinion *is* irrelevant because the USA could if they wanted to begin a pointless war with say Iraq and destabilise the entire Middle East and make the entire world a less safe place. Oh yeah they already did that, but there's lots of other stuff the US can do like empowering Russia to interfere in elections that are Euro based.

Also he lost the vote by 3 million but due to America not being a true democracy it turns out that in a country of 300m it only took 70k voters in three swing states to inflict this moron on the world. And now that the republicans blocked Merrick Garland they are further cementing their hold on power with blatant political appointees to the supreme court who will trample the will of 2/3 of US voters.

Power should be tempered by compassion, Trump is a narcissistic pig. The world is now a global village. The USA made the rules for world trade, now they want to trash the organisation that they empowered due to one nutcase. All the past problems of humanity have often been down to one of nut jobs totally out of control.
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Reply #36 - 07/12/18 at 20:12:23
 
"Went Through all of those, read them all, did NOT see, ANY, reference to a, 'Law'"

 There isn't any specific law about POTUS Twitter, that's why this conversation is taking place.  What is available are the groundwork, and other laws that assist in the determination of the current situation and how it applies to the US Constitution.  Pretty much how all new laws work now, they use precedence and the legal structure made available previously.  A new law isn't made for every situation, the current law is applied to new situations, and the POTUS blocking someone may violate the 1st Amendment.

 More info:

http://theconversation.com/federal-judge-rules-trumps-twitter-account-is-a-pu...

http://www.lawjournalnewsletters.com/sites/lawjournalnewsletters/2017/12/01/t...

 You have to read the information provided with the articles and not just the articles.  

The exact DOJ cases:

1:17-cv-05205-NRB

1:17-cv-00144-APM

 Twitter cites information that POTUS tweets are Official Whitehouse Statements.

https://twitter.com/i/moments/872167606802718721?lang=en

 This has not been made law, or assumes that it is law, this is a situation or event that law is to be used to interpret how it applies, and if an action s legal.

 It is already clearly defined that Viewpoint Discrimination is a violation of the 1st Amendment.  In May U.S. District Judge Naomi Reice Buchwald ruled that @realDonaldTrump constitutes a public forum and by blocking people it constitutes viewpoint discrimination in 1:17-cv-05205-NRB.  

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Reply #37 - 07/12/18 at 20:30:43
 
"Did find this:  "Yes, Twitter has changed its blocking policy. Now, it says, "if you block another user, that user will not know that you have blocked them." With this new policy, unless your account is protected, the blockee can still follow you, add you to lists, see your tweets in his timeline, etc.
The blockee can see everything!""


 That's interesting as it conflicts with Twitters information:

https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/blocking-and-unblocking-accounts

"•Blocked accounts do not receive a notification alerting them that their account has been blocked. However, if a blocked account visits the profile of an account that has blocked them, they will see they have been blocked (unlike mute, which is invisible to muted accounts)."

"Blocked accounts cannot:
•Follow you
View your Tweets when logged in on Twitter (unless they report you, and your Tweets mention them)
Find your Tweets in search when logged in on Twitter
•Send Direct Messages to you
View your following or followers lists, likes or lists when logged in on Twitter
•View a Moment you’ve created when logged in on Twitter
•Add your Twitter account to their lists
•Tag you in a photo"

"Blocking only works if the account you’ve blocked is logged in on Twitter. For example, if the account you’ve blocked isn't logged in or is accessing Twitter content via a third party, they may be able to see your public Tweets. Please keep this in mind when you choose to share content on Twitter."

 I'm not sure if Twitters description of their platform is correct.

 So yes you can still see tweets, but you have to circumvent the system to a degree, like watching TV from a friends, or using an alternate email address to send emails to the White House.  So you aren't prohibited from seeing the information, you are just not allowed to see it like everyone else.

 The "Send Direct Messages to you" has already been addressed by the above mentioned case regarding Twitter recognized as a public forum.  Not exactly the same as the original question in this thread, but very close.
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Reply #38 - 07/13/18 at 08:30:10
 
Eegore wrote on 07/12/18 at 20:30:43:
 "...I'm not sure if Twitters description of their platform is correct..."

That's why I asked people that were ON  twitter, and used it, and know what can, and can not be, done.
Any of the companies, 'social media'. They change the, 'rules' constantly.
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 So if Buchwald said that  blocking a twitter account,  violates the First Amendment. Because it does not allow a person to express political views.
 If up held.

Does that mean that in 100’s of Universities, 1,000 of classes, when a professor ‘punishes’ in some way or another,
a student, because that student/s, political view is different then that of the professors.
That ‘opinion’, will be upheld ?

Gee, why are their not a bunch of, ‘discussions’, considering a student kicked out of class, or campus, or out of a, ’safe space’, for stating a different political POV ?
Starting 40+ days ago ?

OH, ’Schools out for summer’.

Wonder if that could, (if upheld) fall over in the private sector.
Like in a case, where a employed person, could carry a firearm, while they were employed,  to protect themselves in a dangerous situation, and protect themselves, in coming to or, going home from work.
And now they can’t.
It is Clearly a Political Opinion, of the company, that denied them, the right to defend their life, (while at the work place, that when they agreed to work their, by the rules that were in place when they were hired), with a firearm, stun gun, knife.

A new employee, sure, those are now the new rules, so work their by accepting the rules, or don’t.

But all the people that DO, work their, are suddenly told,
Your Political Opinion does not matter,
therefore, you conform to my, political opinion,
or you will quit.

Wonder how: ‘Viewpoint Discrimination is a violation of the 1st Amendment.”
When a company, forces, the employed it currently has, to a different political viewpoint, under threat of being fired, if they don’t.
Would be viewed ?
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Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Reply #39 - 07/13/18 at 10:08:19
 
"Does that mean that in 100’s of Universities, 1,000 of classes, when a professor ‘punishes’ in some way or another,
a student, because that student/s, political view is different then that of the professors.
That ‘opinion’, will be upheld ?"


 It should.



"Like in a case, where a employed person, could carry a firearm, while they were employed,  to protect themselves in a dangerous situation, and protect themselves, in coming to or, going home from work.
And now they can’t."


 They can protect themselves, there is no policy in place that prohibits someone protecting themselves no matter how many times you say it.

 They can have a firearm in their car, they can not have the car on company property, if they choose to work for that company.

 "It is Clearly a Political Opinion, of the company, that denied them, the right to defend their life, (while at the work place, that when they agreed to work their, by the rules that were in place when they were hired), with a firearm, stun gun, knife."

 It is state law that prohibits concealed carry on posted property and issues with that should be taken up with the state.  The facility is fine with people carrying concealed, the state isn't.

 Posting the signs are due to more lawsuits than threats, and actions of violence requiring the use of deadly force.  Zero visitors/patients were killed in self defense in the past 134 years and lawsuits are fielded monthly.  It may be viewed as a political move however the decision was based off of legal posturing not politics.  The logic of that being that employees can conceal carry as soon as state law allows it.

 As for how this works with the 1st Amendment the medical center isn't prohibiting the free speech of people that want to conceal carry on property.  They are not stopping anyone from posting on a public forum - which is what this thread is about - so their rights of free speech are not being restricted in any way.  Employees are not reprimanded at all for voicing their disagreement about signs of any kind on company property.

 I don't think any judge out there is going to let people conceal carry in airports, prisons, or courtrooms because stopping it is a violation of the 1st Amendment.
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Reply #40 - 07/13/18 at 10:09:56
 

 Twitters website reflects correct information as of 0104hrs GMT.
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Reply #41 - 07/13/18 at 11:56:47
 
eau de sauvage wrote on 07/12/18 at 18:25:56:
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The world's opinion *is* irrelevant because the USA could if they wanted to begin a pointless war with say Iraq and destabilise the entire Middle East and make the entire world a less safe place. Oh yeah they already did that...


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eau de sauvage wrote on 07/12/18 at 18:25:56:
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Also he lost the vote by 3 million but due to America not being a true democracy


That is a bit tricky, because there is a case for area also having an importance. We have the same dilemma in Norway, where Finnmark is the largest county but with the smallest population. And more than 10 % of the entire population - and twice that of Finnmark - live in the capitol city. So basically, a very small area of Norway could completely overpower the biggest county due to their lack of population. So Finnmark has their votes count more per head that those living in the capitol. Is it a perfect system? Not at all. But one person, one vote also has its limitations.

eau de sauvage wrote on 07/12/18 at 18:25:56:
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Trump is a narcissist


Whether a fan or not of Trump, it will be very difficult to argue with that.
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