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Its only Red Hen folk?
06/27/18 at 12:46:33
 
Me thinks lots of folk only wanna see what they want to see/believe...



The New York Times published a shocking first-hand account of the horrific conditions a mother and her young son faced after immigrating to the United States from El Salvador. Unfortunately for the mainstream media that continues to portray President Trump as the face of immigration crisis – the asylum seeker’s tragic account happened in 2014.

The author of the Op-Ed wrote on the condition of anonymity because of “gang-related threats” her family has faced. She explained that she wanted to flee the violence of her native El Salvador, so she came to the United States, seeking a new life, during President Barack Obama’s second term in the White House.

“Instead, I found myself locked in a family immigration detention center. It’s an experience that I wouldn’t wish on anyone,” she wrote.

The mainstream media has painted Trump as the face of the immigration crisis, but the Times piece illustrates that it is an ongoing issue that has been a series problem since the current president was simply a real estate mogul. However, the woman who sought asylum in 2014 never mentioned Obama in her chilling account. Trump was mentioned by the second paragraph, when the mother noted that she doesn’t believe family detention is the answer to the outcry regarding children separated from their parents.

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The anonymous woman found “no relief” in the United States, where she was held for two months in a for-profit immigration detention center in New Mexico back in 2014.

“The day-to-day conditions were horrible. The food was often expired, the milk was spoiled, and we weren’t provided with snacks for our children between meals,” she wrote.

She explained that sometimes food was thrown out because of concerns regarding rats in her dorm and said children often went to bed hungry, while clean water also was hard to come by.

“It was no place for human beings, let alone for families with small children,” she wrote.

The woman said children in the Obama-era detention center didn’t receive proper medical attention, which she says resulted in at least one death, and staffers talked down to the detainees.

“When one mother whose daughter had asthma informed the officers that her child needed medical care, she was told that she should have thought about that before she came to the United States,” she wrote.

"Witnessing this type of treatment was heartbreaking."

It wasn’t only children who were treated inhumanely, according to the woman. “Once, officers physically forced an indigenous woman to take a shower while she was menstruating, violating both her privacy and her cultural beliefs,” she wrote.

The woman wrote that “witnessing this type of treatment was heartbreaking,” adding that it has stayed with her in the years since.

It’s unclear if conditions have improved, or gotten worse, since the anonymous woman spent two months at the detention center in 2014. Last week, after national outcry regarding family separations as a result of Trump’s "zero tolerance" policy for illegal immigration, he signed an executive order to allow children to stay with parents caught crossing the border illegally.

“That’s not a solution, that’s a jail sentence,” the woman wrote, based on her Obama-era experience.

While the woman’s horrifying tale would be tragic under any administration, it begs the question of why immigration was covered so much differently during the previous administration.


I know the answer.....

Here it is: someone is playing with an issue to keep it alive for political purposes
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Reply #1 - 06/27/18 at 13:11:16
 
what's with all the whataboutism?  seriously? that's all you've got? somehow trying to make me and others feel guilty because the media didn't tell us something?  

I don't think anyone holds Obama up as perfect, the government in itself is highly flawed.  

how is Obama did it too!!! see!!!  SEE!!!!  an excuse though?  seriously?


I GET IT, OBAMA AND HIS GOVERNMENT WEREN'T PERFECT AND DID SOME BAD THINGS TOO .

you know, LIKE EVERY FREAKING GOVERNMENT EVER

so you just want to excuse Trump when he does something, even if it the SAME thing Obama did that was wrong??  

I didn't GIVE Obama a pass on that, if I had known about it then, and the things I did know the Obama did wrong  I didn't give Obama a pass on.  


seriously WTF do you want?
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Re: Its only Red Hen folk?
Reply #2 - 06/27/18 at 13:24:40
 
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 someone is playing with an issue to keep it alive for political purposes



Don't fret Ray. Justice Kennedy just announced he's going to retire from the Supreme Court  effective the end of July. Everyf*ckinbody's gonna forget all about illegal immigrant kids and start loosing their minds over whomever Trump might appoint to the court.

Starting in ONE, TWO, THREE...
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Reply #3 - 06/27/18 at 13:49:11
 
LostArtist wrote on 06/27/18 at 13:11:16:
what's with all the whataboutism?  seriously? that's all you've got? somehow trying to make me and others feel guilty because the media didn't tell us something?  

I don't think anyone holds Obama up as perfect, the government in itself is highly flawed.  

how is Obama did it too!!! see!!!  SEE!!!!  an excuse though?  seriously?


I GET IT, OBAMA AND HIS GOVERNMENT WEREN'T PERFECT AND DID SOME BAD THINGS TOO .

you know, LIKE EVERY FREAKING GOVERNMENT EVER

so you just want to excuse Trump when he does something, even if it the SAME thing Obama did that was wrong??  

I didn't GIVE Obama a pass on that, if I had known about it then, and the things I did know the Obama did wrong  I didn't give Obama a pass on.  


seriously WTF do you want?



Mercy, that wasn’t politically correct speak...

Or,

Maybe it was.

More than one side to a coin, even if you lube it.
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Reply #4 - 06/27/18 at 13:53:55
 
raydawg wrote on 06/27/18 at 13:49:11:
LostArtist wrote on 06/27/18 at 13:11:16:
what's with all the whataboutism?  seriously? that's all you've got? somehow trying to make me and others feel guilty because the media didn't tell us something?  

I don't think anyone holds Obama up as perfect, the government in itself is highly flawed.  

how is Obama did it too!!! see!!!  SEE!!!!  an excuse though?  seriously?


I GET IT, OBAMA AND HIS GOVERNMENT WEREN'T PERFECT AND DID SOME BAD THINGS TOO .

you know, LIKE EVERY FREAKING GOVERNMENT EVER

so you just want to excuse Trump when he does something, even if it the SAME thing Obama did that was wrong??  

I didn't GIVE Obama a pass on that, if I had known about it then, and the things I did know the Obama did wrong  I didn't give Obama a pass on.  


seriously WTF do you want?



Mercy, that wasn’t politically correct speak...

Or,

Maybe it was.

More than one side to a coin, even if you lube it.



well. what do you want??  

I condemn Obama for the bad things that happened under his administration, the child separations, the droning overseas, Libya, not dealing with DACA right, not leading with Congress to achieve ANYTHING during his last 6 years in office, and I'm sure quite a few more things ....

I condemn Trump for the wrong things he's doing as well, I WILL NOT EXCUSE HIM JUST BECAUSE WELL, HILLARY OR OBAMA OR FDR or whoever did it too.
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Reply #5 - 06/27/18 at 13:56:29
 
oldNslow wrote on 06/27/18 at 13:24:40:
Quote:
 someone is playing with an issue to keep it alive for political purposes



Don't fret Ray. Justice Kennedy just announced he's going to retire from the Supreme Court  effective the end of July. Everyf*ckinbody's gonna forget all about illegal immigrant kids and start loosing their minds over whomever Trump might appoint to the court.

Starting in ONE, TWO, THREE...


start a new thread for that, f u cking thread hijacker
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Re: Its only Red Hen folk?
Reply #6 - 06/27/18 at 14:45:07
 
how is Obama did it too!!! see!!!  SEE!!!!  an excuse though?  seriously?

It's not an excuse.
It's a point.
How much did the media make of it when it was Obama?
But they hate Trump.
So, full coverage
Ignore the IG report
Ignore Strock and Page
Ignore Lynch and her promise to limit the investigation into Hillary.

You buncha perpetually outraged haters are getting old.
But keep it up.
Trump needs every sane person sick of all of you.
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Reply #7 - 06/27/18 at 14:49:26
 

 I saw a lot of negative publicity about Obama.  Maybe its just where I was at the time but man I heard complains pretty much every day.

 Muslim this, unconstitutional that, etc. etc.

 For that matter it was the same with Bush.  War monger, lied about WMDs, faked the 9/11 towers etc. etc.

 I don't think any president is in the free and clear, I think its what we spend our time looking at.  Watch PBS and look at porn for a month and then tell me what you think of politics in America.
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Re: Its only Red Hen folk?
Reply #8 - 06/27/18 at 14:52:39
 
Brilliant
Equate the spitting and fuming at Trump's people and Trump with what they have done to others.
It's not even in the same universe.
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 People are either conducting themselves like they want to be treated, or they aren't.  When victimized we always feel like more of a victim than the other person who went through the same thing, its just how we are.
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Reply #10 - 06/27/18 at 15:14:47
 
I'm not a victim
I'm an observer
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Reply #11 - 06/27/18 at 15:21:36
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 06/27/18 at 14:45:07:
how is Obama did it too!!! see!!!  SEE!!!!  an excuse though?  seriously?

It's not an excuse.
It's a point.
How much did the media make of it when it was Obama?
But they hate Trump.
So, full coverage
Ignore the IG report
Ignore Strock and Page
Ignore Lynch and her promise to limit the investigation into Hillary.

You buncha perpetually outraged haters are getting old.
But keep it up.
Trump needs every sane person sick of all of you.


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Right the media didn't make a huge deal because probably Obama's administration answered something like "it's a tragedy and we try to avoid it as much as possible but sometimes it's necessary." or something like that where they were aware of it being a tragedy and not a feature of deterrence

there WAS full coverage of the IG report on CNN, sorry they didn't go on and on and on about it like they are about the child separations, but they did fully cover it and it wasn't all praise for the FBI or Obama, they totally covered it though, both cons and pros of it.

Ignore Strock and Page
Ignore Lynch and her promise to limit the investigation into Hillary.

fair enough, but where do those stories really go?  

You buncha perpetually outraged haters are getting old.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS SAYING ABOUT YOU YOU YOU DURING OBAMA'S ADMINISTRATION




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Re: Its only Red Hen folk?
Reply #12 - 06/27/18 at 15:22:47
 
LostArtist wrote on 06/27/18 at 13:56:29:
oldNslow wrote on 06/27/18 at 13:24:40:
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 someone is playing with an issue to keep it alive for political purposes



Don't fret Ray. Justice Kennedy just announced he's going to retire from the Supreme Court  effective the end of July. Everyf*ckinbody's gonna forget all about illegal immigrant kids and start loosing their minds over whomever Trump might appoint to the court.

Starting in ONE, TWO, THREE...


start a new thread for that, f u cking thread hijacker


Actually Lost, my comment was entirely appropriate for this thread, and was a reference to the never ending fake outrage coming from the left and the media. Sorry you were not quick enough to pick up on that.

Quote:
start a new thread for that, f u cking thread hijacker


Weren't  you one of the folks whining about the lack of civility and  the name calling on this board just a while ago?

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Reply #13 - 06/27/18 at 15:23:32
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 06/27/18 at 14:52:39:
Brilliant
Equate the spitting and fuming at Trump's people and Trump with what they have done to others.
It's not even in the same universe.


NO, IT IS, IT'S IN THE EXACT SAME UNIVERSE, CNN LEARNED IT BY WATCHING FOX NEWS GET BETTER RATINGS DAY IN AND DAY OUT DURING OBAMA YEARS.  S

and Fox learned it from CNN during Bush and amped it up,

and CNN learned it from the mainstream media and republicans during CLINTON
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Reply #14 - 06/27/18 at 15:24:04
 
oldNslow wrote on 06/27/18 at 15:22:47:
LostArtist wrote on 06/27/18 at 13:56:29:
oldNslow wrote on 06/27/18 at 13:24:40:
Quote:
 someone is playing with an issue to keep it alive for political purposes



Don't fret Ray. Justice Kennedy just announced he's going to retire from the Supreme Court  effective the end of July. Everyf*ckinbody's gonna forget all about illegal immigrant kids and start loosing their minds over whomever Trump might appoint to the court.

Starting in ONE, TWO, THREE...


start a new thread for that, f u cking thread hijacker


Actually Lost, my comment was entirely appropriate for this thread, and was a reference to the never ending fake outrage coming from the left and the media. Sorry you were not quick enough to pick up on that.

Quote:
start a new thread for that, f u cking thread hijacker


Weren't  you one of the folks whining about the lack of civility and  the name calling on this board just a while ago?



I don't think thread hijacking is very civil do you?
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