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Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes
Reply #390 - 06/03/20 at 05:54:12
 

https://liliputing.com/2020/06/lenovo-now-offers-linux-on-all-of-its-workstat...



After years of offering Linux as an option for some of its workstation computers, Lenovo has announced that starting later this month all of its ThinkStation desktop and ThinkPad P Series laptops will be available with a choice of Windows, Ubuntu LTS, or Red Hat Enterprise Linux.

To be clear, there was nothing stopping customers from purchasing a system with Windows and then replacing the operating system with their GNU/Linux distribution of choice.

HOWEVER, YOU WILL BE PAYING CIRCA $80 FOR THE WINDOWS LICENSE YOU ARE THROWING AWAY BY DOING IT ALL YOURSELF.  

But now that Lenovo is offering certified support for Ubuntu and Red Hat, you can be pretty sure you won’t have to jump through hoops to make sure you have all the proper drivers for your hardware and you will not be paying for a MS Windows instance you are planning to scrap.

Lenovo  says it’ll also be offering dedicated upstream device drivers for inclusion into the Linux kernel, which should help with long-term support (and which should also help if you opt for a different Linux-based operating system).


The many folks in the Far East are finding the ever more sizable MS Windows tax to be "undeserved" as several Lenovo certified versions of Linux offer equal to "better business" usages for FAR LESS MONEY SPENT.  

Plus, Linux doesn't break itself repeatedly due to pure carelessness like Windows does.
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Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes
Reply #391 - 06/09/20 at 11:30:43
 

https://liliputing.com/2020/06/bloomberg-apple-could-announce-arm-based-mac-c...

Bloomberg: Apple could announce ARM-based Mac chips later this month.

After years of rumors and speculation that Apple would eventually ditch Intel and start making its own processors for Mac computers, Bloomberg reports that Apple is almost ready to make the move — and could make an official announcement later this month.

An earlier Bloomberg report suggested that the first Mac processor will be a 12-core ARM-based processor featuring 8 high-performance “Firestorm” CPU cores and 4 energy-efficient “Icestorm” cores, and the most recent report indicates that we can also expect some special-purpose cores for graphics and neural processing/artificial intelligence.


We now know a lot more about ARM's PC capable cores and it appears that Apple is using slightly tweeked ARM standard cores in various combinations to achieve their long time goal of getting away from Intel.

Both Apple and Qualcomm are making their first moves now  with the larger oriental phone boys holding back a tad until the primo pricing from ARM drops a bit.      
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Reply #392 - 06/09/20 at 13:53:09
 
If, I did buy a Lenovo laptop in a few months time, would the Mint Cinamon Sonya work on it. I don't know any thing about Red Hats or Fedoras?
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Reply #393 - 06/09/20 at 20:44:12
 

JC, In buying one of these store bought Linux computers please be aware of two things.

YOU NEED TO BUY THE UBUNTU VERSION IF YOU PLAN TO FLIP IT TO MINT.

Next, unless you just want a new unit, it still is most cost effective to keep what you have and only upgrade individual components as that becomes needed.

Next. now since you are getting past the "I need to be able to dual boot Win 10 to feel safe" stage, suddenly all sorts of used older machines become available to you for peanuts.    Once you know that sticking in your current Mint DVD will generally fix any issues with any old piece of crap you have lying around you realize you can pick up an older unit and revitalize it for the same effort as just letting Mint fully install itself and take over the entire hard drive.

You are beginning to realize that MS intentionally "breaks" your old hardware on purpose in hopes that  you will buy a brand new MS rig to fix all your MS installed reliability issues.  

Simply installing Linux is sooooo much better and soooooo much cheaper than buying a new Windows PC ........

I mentioned my wife's last machine was a bought on purpose old Dell 780 big desktop tower unit that was running a very early version of Windows 10 Pro (one that does not get anything other than critical bug upgrades) .....  I bought it a year or so ago with 10 years of use on it for a princely sum of $69 ---- and that box is still running great at this time and meets all my wife's needs as it is.  

She will never need another computer ever again .....

I am also amazed at all the technical progress you can buy embodied in a used machine for those "less than $100 prices".   I splurged and upgraded her memory to 8 gigs for $10 additional total investment, so her Intel quad core processor is now memory stuffed full as a tick for any use that she will ever have for it.

My wife is fully retired now and only heats up her big Dell to retrieve and to resend some school files to one of her old teacher buddies, apart from that she can live very handily on her Android phone and on her Fire 8 tablet both of which are sitting in pocket holders at her TV seat in the den.

During her last 6 months of COVID teaching, she was teaching from home through her old big box Dell and she was using my even older Dell Linux Mint box as her disaster backup.  

What her and her buddies really really liked was that my Mint box could read their "broken" unreadable files off their USB memory sticks and could bulk recover the files off of them.   Ditto for all those "bad files" from earlier revisions that MS Office simply wouldn't open any longer.  

Linux Libre Office isn't using MS to read those files, and Linux Libre Office can read and write any of the old file type versions of MS Office, a trick MS wants to sell you a $400 Office Adder Pack to be able to do the older translations in Windows now-a-days.

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Reply #394 - 06/10/20 at 21:02:29
 

https://liliputing.com/2020/06/windows-10-feature-experience-packs-will-let-m...

Those who have used Linux a while are somewhat familiar with Ubuntu Snaps and Fedora Flatpacks as a means of updating a piece of complex software that requires a lot of updated drivers and such to make sure the improvement part of the complex software works "right" -----and to be completely assured that it works correctly right off the bat.

Microsoft has realized that this is a good idea  and has built their first attempts at doing the Mickey version of this good open source Flatpack idea.

MS has a simple goal of getting their stuff to work better by clustering all the needed drivers and such in the Experience Pack along with the software upgrade itself along with a boot order file that keeps the boot sequence right each time you start up the software.  

So far folks say the load times do certainly go up as you have to reload a goodly portion of the OS itself during the program's elongated software boot process, but that it works OK in the end.

This is simply the price you pay to get MS to work better for you.

Hopefully, this will stop MS Windows OS from completely borking itself at the increased rates that have been occurring over the last year or two.


Windows 10 Feature Experience Packs will let Microsoft update some features without major OS updates

Microsoft has quietly begun testing a new way to deliver updates to some Windows apps and features without pushing a full operating system update.

According to ZDNet’s Mary Jo Foley, some users are starting to see a new “Windows Feature Experience Pack” mention in their System Settings. And while Microsoft hasn’t publicly said much about what that means, it appears to include a small bundle of applications including updated versions of the Windows Snipping tool, text input panel, and shell suggestions.

The Feature Experience Pack is listed in the “Features on Demand” section of Microsoft’s Windows 10 documentation for PC manufacturers. But aside from the fact that it’s a 44.15MB package available for Windows 10, versions 2004 and later, there’s not much information on that page.

Foley suggests that the pack could be part of an effort to separate the Windows 10 user interface and core set of apps from the Windows 10 Core OS. But it’s unclear what that will mean in the long run.

Overall, this reminds me of the way Google has been separating key components of Android from the operating system so that it can push updates through the Google Play Store as soon as they’re available instead of waiting for a major OS update.
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Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes
Reply #395 - 06/11/20 at 09:52:52
 

Now a retrospect on Linux Mint


Mint was born because Ubuntu screwed the pooch really big time in running off after an Apple/MS look & feel and also by chasing some very modern Gnome versions of systems stuff that quite simply were not yet quite ready for prime time.

Originally, Mint just used last year's Ubuntu Gnome and then simply stayed back one-two year levels in Gnome space in general, yes just one-two years back in time going back to when everything worked seamlessly and well.   Then Clem and the boys added back in all the current proprietary drivers and good stuff that their users wanted, and they carefully blended the new stuff right into the distro itself, not just tacked on at the end the way Ubuntu did it.

Then Mint got the idea of STAYING on the most recent best most stable Ubuntu Gnome LTS Release and using it as their core for the next 3 years running before picking the next best of the best of the "current Ubuntu LTS crop" all over again.   This acted to buffer out all the wild direction swings coming out of Shuttleworth's egomanical gyrations over at Ubuntu Central.

This has continued for on 10 years now with Mint staying focused on what their users wanted and adding entire levels of polish to the very best stuff that Ubuntu had put out.  

Thus Mint became "the most popular distro" for over 5 years running by doing this very simple customer based "polish the best of the best" focus .....

Ubuntu folks as a group weren't stupid, and Mark Shuttleworth got point blank told by his own people to stop with all his "dictator for life"  egotistical crap and to crank up a ruling council of all the sub-distros that ran off of Ubuntu and to only do those things that the whole council wanted done.  

Thus, all the sub-distros were used as a functional handbrake on Shuttleworth's egomaniac direction swings.

In the last 3 years, this council has lead Ubuntu as a mass group in some very correct directions and Ubuntu has improved to the point that arguably Mint is no longer as direly needed a thing like it used to be.

Then Mark Shuttleworth's egomania got loose again just recently and he went and got into bed with Microsoft in a big big way, so now Linux Mint is feeling needed all over again.  

Microsoft and Intel have a Clear Linux of their very own now and it is becoming evident that MS has realized Windows 10 using MS code is going to be "too broken to survive" for too much longer.   Clear Linux offers Wintel a path forward that allows them to ditch all the Windows Legacy crap that has been such a burden on MS these past 10 years or so.  

Shuttleworth and Ubuntu are key elements in the Wintel boys plans for future world dominance, so you can watch that situation unfold over the next 5 years or so ......  

Wintel intends to sell you a free FOSS software that they have tweeked so it gives somewhat better test results --- and then they want to charge you a yearly fee to "keep it running well".

Meanwhile, any MS tweek worth the effort to take has already been incorporated into the Linux Kernel by Linus and his boys --- yep, all the goody has already gone off into everybody's Linux stuff already.   Plus, by incorporating Linux code into Clear Linux,  Linus and his boys now have legal access to all the various parts of Clear Linux that have been locked up by secrecy until now.   (put FOSS code into your stuff and your old stuff legally becomes FOSS code from then on).

As old style Intel and MS (Wintel) slowly winds down you will see things begin to shift in new ways, with ARM processors becoming more predominant with mainstream users .......  with RISC-V chipsets then rising up to be the new "upstart threats" to the new old school boys.

Linux is simply better stuff that works better at this point in time ...... as such Linux will become more and more predominant over time, with Intel and Microsoft using Mark Shuttleworth as their "pet mouthpiece" simply because Mark Shuttleworth needs his ego stroked continually by somebody ...... and Wintel desperately needs the Linux community and all their various better running software simply to continue to survive for the next 10 years.

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Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes
Reply #396 - 06/12/20 at 18:52:25
 

How come Clear Linux tests faster than the distro (Ubuntu) that it is made from?


This is interesting. several Linux savants have investigated this "fact" and the results are somewhat interesting to read about.

Yes, Clear Linux tests faster than the Ubuntu it is made from .......  but why ?????

The compiler used in Clear Linux is a MS product that was hand tweeked for this one use.   The Linux environment that is booted in Clear is a carefully tweeked Linux environment.   Both are tweeked to give better test results when you run the most common speed tests currently used for the relatively few Linux speed reporting softwares.

Ars Techica and others point out that if you run Ubuntu 18.04 inside this same tweeked environment you get basically "same same" results as Clear Linux.

Ars also reports that real world uses of the softwares involved give mixed win or lose results even it run in their "box stock -- as shipped' environments ---- open a different file, get a different result between the two tests.

What does this really mean ?????    Clear Linux does test marginally faster than the Ubuntu it is made from, but some of this is environmental illusions, i.e. smoke and mirrors.    A much smaller amount of that better performance is real, but that smaller performance advantage comes and goes according to the task at hand.

The best compiler and environment tweeks that have been found out by the Linux gurus various investigations have already been incorporated into the Linux Kernel now and these tweeks now automatically run on all the current versions of all the distros, by default.


So, if you see anybody touting Clear Linux and and wanting to charge you for it, you are looking at a scamster at work.

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(Yeah, they are talking about you, Mark Shuttleworth ---- so drop your new buddies like the smokey hot rocks they are ---- they are costing you chunks out of your image and reputation.)
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Re: 2020 -- new Intel failures & successes
Reply #397 - 06/17/20 at 03:53:00
 

https://ir.amd.com/news-releases/news-release-details/amd-expands-3rd-gen-amd...


SANTA CLARA, Calif., June 16, 2020 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE)

Intel loses the single thread performance crown again  .... yep, again ....   Last time Intel lost the single thread performance crown Intel had IMMEDIATELY cheated on the Passmark benchmark test and had conspired with Passmark's CEO and CTO to tweek all the systems optimizations for the Passmark speed tests  to totally favor Intel so that Passmark would once again report Intel as "being #1 on single thread performance" despite the processors themselves remaining completely unchanged.

So AMD has replied to this muddled benchmarking mess by simply upping their AMD processor chiplet speed some more to take the single thread performance crown back again, legitimately, no matter which tests are used.    

AMD also issued fixes for any issues with their  PCIe® 4.0 motherboards with a BIOS upgrade that fine tuned all the large numbers of extra width data pathways on their PCIe® 4.0 motherboards.

This week AMD also announced the redesigned StoreMI PCIe® 4.0 storage acceleration software with a new UI and enhanced acceleration algorithm.

And then AMD came out with a complete optimization driver package of their own that was a for serious, for real functional speed ups on all AMD motherboard functions ---- not just a simple smoke and mirrors tweek as Intel had done the previous quarter for their existing unchanged PCIe® 3.0 processors resting on Intel motherboards that totally lack any high speed extra wide PCIe® 4.0 data path sets or any of the other state of the art features.    

And then today AMD has announced a whole new line of simply faster more data efficient XT processors to use all of the above.

-- Today, AMD announced three new additions to the 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen desktop processor family – the AMD Ryzen 9 3900XT, AMD Ryzen 7 3800XT and AMD Ryzen 5 3600XT processors. Introducing XT branding for the first time to the Ryzen family of processors, the new AMD Ryzen 3000XT desktop processors are purpose-built to maximize performance under any workload. Expanding on the award-winning 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen processor family, 3000XT series desktop processors are optimized with higher boost frequencies to deliver elite-level performance that dominates gaming and content creation.

Today also marks worldwide availability of the AMD B550 chipset, the first mainstream chipset with support for PCIe® 4.0. Available in a variety of motherboard form factors, the AMD B550 chipset is perfect for high-speed performance in both gaming and multitasking. Additionally, AMD announced the A520 chipset for socket AM4 and 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen desktop processors with more than 40 designs in development. Alongside these new chipset and processors, AMD also announced the redesigned StoreMI storage acceleration software with a new UI and enhanced acceleration algorithm.

“At AMD, we are committed to listening closely to our customers and the enthusiast community to deliver leadership products,” said Saeid Moshkelani, senior vice president and general manager, client business unit. “With AMD Ryzen 3000XT processors, we’re making additional optimizations to the 7nm manufacturing process to deliver industry leading single-thread performance and more choice and flexibility for enthusiasts.1”

AMD Ryzen 3000XT Series Processors

Building upon the legacy established by the 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen processor family, the 3000XT Series processors elevate the world-class “Zen 2” architecture with an optimized 7nm manufacturing process technology to offer higher boost frequency and increased performance at the same TDPs of their Ryzen 3000 counterparts.

The AMD Ryzen 9 3900XT offers:

Up to 4% increase in single-threaded performance over AMD Ryzen 3000 desktop processors
Up to 40% more power efficiency than the competition

NAME                  CORES/TREADS      SPEED        min/max    SOCKET     $$$       SHIP DATE
AMD Ryzen™ 9 3900XT     12/24     Up to 4.7/3.8      70      105      AM4      $499      July 7, 2020
AMD Ryzen™ 7 3800XT      8/16      Up to 4.7/3.9      36      105      AM4      $399      July 7, 2020
AMD Ryzen™ 5 3600XT      6/12      Up to 4.5/3.8      35        95      AM4      $249      July 7, 2020



As TSMC gets better and better at making the AMD chiplets at 7nm,  AMD has slowly ramped up on their assembled processor speeds and output power to reliably use some of the increases in AMD chiplet efficiency.

This "performance ooze up" now has the 12 core Ryzen 9 running at speeds up at 4.7 ghz at the exact same price as before.

The new performance levels (should you choose to run at them up that high as NOTHING that you currently do really requires that much 12 core grunt power anywhere in the consumer compute space) it will simply mean you have to use an improved aftermarket cooler.  

Once again, AMD ships with a Wraith cooler that can handle anything right up to next to the very very highest output settings, but if you max it all out to the max a better aftermarket cooler has to be part of that maxed to the max solution to keep your improved processor from throttling and snatching away that last 4% of gilt edge from your outrageous rig's performance.

Why the need for the better cooler?   AMD watts draw increases from 95 to 105 at the close to 5 ghz speeds up at the gilt edge zone.   Intel watts draw starts out at 125-135 watts for a 10 core Comet Lake something or another that does not even get close to this 12 core AMD chipset's performance/efficiency/cost envelope.

Can we say "splitting some fine hairs" three times fast ????

Interestingly, the next major TSMC production lithography bump to 5nm that is planned for early next year will put AMD's processor chiplet speeds at over 5 ghz with the 12 core's power draw all the way back down around 90-95 watts.

You will likely not be paying a lot of attention to this wattage stuff at that point in time, as going from 2 threads per core to 4 threads per core and the large extra amount of on-chip memory space (memory is doubling/tripling) and the data path counts and data path width doubling on the data pathways, etc. etc. etc. will make a lot more of a splash next year when the 5nm chiplets and the new consumer and the new rack space processor architectures  roll out.   Big big changes are coming next year and AMD will outstrip Intel even further, at least as far next year as they did this past year.

Right now AMD has a nice fat 40% multi-core throughput lead, a considerable 40% efficiency lead and a slight 4% win on single core throughput (that's right now, this week when comparing best to the best processors when both are using aftermarket coolers).


Intel has nothing to compete with this, nothing at all --- neither real for right now nor theoretically planned for next year.    And no, it does not look good for Intel as Intel cannot readily sell their latest processors right now because they really are strongly inferior to AMD's current offerings.

And Intel is at least 20+% MORE EXPENSIVE than AMD at any comparative level.

Things will get noticeably worse for Intel next year when the AMD 5nm chiplets roll out.    It is certainly bad enough for Intel right now as they have already lost approximately half the "new design" desktop PC market at this point and are busy losing a third of the laptop market through the end of this year.

Note most all graphics below tend to lag six months to a year due to large lags in the data sources ---- Mindshare data however does not lag more than a quarter or so, so you can use Mindshare sales data as a "trend predictor" for all the rest of the slower responding industry wide graphical metrics.


https://www.techradar.com/news/amd-dominates-intel-in-cpu-sales-at-least-acco...

https://www.techradar.com/news/amds-ryzen-cpu-sales-are-totally-destroying-in...

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/market_share.html

https://hexus.net/business/news/components/143269-mindfactory-data-shows-amd-...
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Reply #398 - 06/22/20 at 21:00:20
 

https://liliputing.com/2020/06/future-mac-computers-will-use-apple-silicon-ch...

Apple publicly dumps Intel processors

The rumors were true, and during today’s WWDC event, Tim Cook at Apple confirmed that it will transition from using Intel chips to using its own Apple Silicon for upcoming Mac computers, with the Macs featuring ARM-based processors set to ship by the end of 2020.

Apple has made this sort of transition before — moving from PowerPC to Intel x86 architecture around 15 years ago. Since then, the company has had a lot of experience developing chips for its iPhones and iPads.

Now the company says it’ll begin making its own chips for Mac computers as well, allowing the company to integrate its hardware and software to ensure they work smoothly together.




Apple CEO Tim Cook says the company expects the transition from Intel to Apple Silicon will likely take around two years to complete, which means that only a few ARM-based Macs will be available at first. The company still has at least a few more Intel-powered models in development that will ship in the coming year or two.

So, Apple takes a very large step in re-owning all their systems and hardware functions.  Now, in this next one year period we will see Apple using ARM tech to do full sized desktop graphics workstations and to run iPhones and iPads using the exact same software.

Look to see Google march Android right on up this new scale of processor capability as it becomes available, probably using ChromeOS as their OS vehicle of choice.

See MS making moves to conform to Apple standards and to join up, not spending any effort fighting with anybody.   Mickey wants MS Office to be there waiting for you, seamlessly, when you buy into the new generation of Apple stuff.

See general demand for Intel processors drop accordingly, with AMD actually fulfilling most of the roles as "x86 technical leader"  while the new ranks of Intel bean picker managers specialize in extracting as much money as possible from their failing technological base for as long as they can .......

Intel will use "x86 standards manipulations" and their full bag of dirty tricks more and more and more since they have no real advancements in anything else to use at this point in time.

The computer press does not like the new Intel very much, so I suspect we will hear about each new foray into Intel black bag business practices as they take place.

Huawei gets left out in the cold, as this is 100% all brand new American developed tech that unless Huawei uses their industrial spy networks to get it Huawei will never legally see any of it.



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Reply #399 - 06/23/20 at 07:58:39
 

Various irate BS discussions on various boards indicates a changing viewpoint on Intel's integrity.


Intel responds with Tiger Lake and Comet Lake, chipsets that are claimed by Intel to be comparable to AMD's best and Apple's best.   Ditto for the laptop Lakefield that just came out.

Neither are really competitive at all ..... even using Intel's Foveros technique of stacking whole chipsets on top of each other.

Judging solely from the AMD match up to 10nm Comet Lake and the fact that Tiger Lake is still an older 14nm technology Intel simply does not have what they claim to have in "comparable processors".

Apple will roll out 5nm chipsets faster than anybody else (Apple actually paid to develop the 5nm TSMC pc chip sized processes and they will get first call on the larger PC production capacity lines at TSMC for at least one more year).   This means that after 6 years Intel is still throwing up 14nm chipsets and "still has yield issues" on their 10nm chipsets against much more technically capable competitors from AMD and Apple, competitors that get better and better on a two year cycle.

Intel is lying constantly and pretty badly to their distributor and customer base (playing games with speed test optimizations and weaponizing every industry standard they can get control of) and Intel is now getting recognized now by the PC press for this sort of repeated evil BS.    

Apple is still calling for an impartial standards body to be created to develop new speed tests and new ranking methodologies, and if Apple and AMD wrest control of that standards body away from Intel then Intel will no longer be able to hide their "magic minute" 20-30% initial temperature throttling issues nor the 20% performance hit that Intel still takes from all of Intel's various security mitigations that are required due to all of Intel's past bad choices.

The Intel customer base needs to have Intel's black bag taken away from them so they can finally clearly see the relatively poorer stuff they have been buying AT A PREMIUM PRICE for the last few years.

Tom's Hardware now reports two numbers for Intel processor tests, one before warm up and one after the test chipset is fully warmed up.    Intel has sic'd their crowds of lawyers after Tom's Hardware for reporting these numbers as Intel isn't even on the playing field to their latest speed and throughput claims once the chipsets warm up for a single minute.



This graphic is pretty old now, but information from last generation AMD vs the then current bogus Intel claims still shows the scope of the effect of the "magic minute" on Intel processor performance and the very strong need for benchmarking reforms.



Various irate BS discussions on various boards indicates a changing viewpoint on Intel's integrity.

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Reply #400 - 06/23/20 at 21:46:47
 
https://www.anandtech.com/show/15869/new-1-supercomputer-fujitsus-fugaku-and-...












OK, are ARM  chipsets made with more or less standard ARM designs "powerful enough"?

Yep, they actually make up the current most powerful supercomputer in the world right now.    This ARM based computer is 4x more powerful than any previous super computers.

So, Apple and Qualcomm are apparently chasing after the right rabbit so to speak, while Intel isn't even in the running and AMD is chasing a "not quite as good" alternative when building very very very powerful computers.

The secret to the ARM supercomputers is lots & lots of cores with lots & lots of extra wide data paths swinging some really wide bandwidths and LOTS & LOTS of "local on chipset" memory combined with very low energy consumption and very low cooling requirements when compared to x86 computing.  

Note the laminated aluminum block style heat sink, no fins and no fans are needed on the worlds most powerful supercomputer ---- this is quite an advancement.   This puppy would be a natural for water cooling on that large block style heat sink if more output was desired or needed ......

Remember what AMD piloted just last year with same-same chiplets that are used in both data centers, workstations and personal computing????   The wide data path advances in the most powerful ARM mainframe chipsets have been run on down into the cell phone space, lending all the technical advancements, low power consumption and low energy consumption to everything that is built with them.

So, expect ARM to be a serious competitor in laptop, desktop and server uses.



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AMD is beating the snot out of Intel, but AMD isn't paying any close attention to their real competition which is multi-multi core ARM processors.

Intel is simply going totally limp right now and AMD has been sandbagging like crazy because they are conserving their next big move until Intel does something to beat up upon in a decisive fashion.

5nm ARM is here now ........   AMD/Intel is sandbagging on the whole "generational progress" thing while ARM (Apple and all the phone boys) are forging on ahead on 5nm at full speed.


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The ARM competition wave is starting up now in a serious fashion.   Given one single full year of this constant Intel sandbagging action in the face of rapid ARM advancements both Intel and the "Intel focused" AMD will be history right along with Intel .......  

AMD needs to shift its competitive focus away from Intel right now and start focusing on all the ARM competition that is out there.
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Reply #401 - 06/25/20 at 04:55:45
 

https://liliputing.com/2020/06/macs-with-arm-chips-wont-support-boot-camp.html



But things between Intel and Apple certainly look very strained and very very different with this move to ARM.

As Apple prepares to launch the first Macs with Apple Silicon, the company already has a big lead over their competition. Benchmarks show that the chips used in recent iPhones and iPads outperform anything produced by Qualcomm, Samsung, Huawei, Mediatek, or other companies producing ARM chips for mobile devices. And since Apple makes both the hardware and software for its devices, it can make sure the operating system takes full advantage of the chips (and vice versa).

Apple apparently feels that old Wintel software isn't worth the effort supporting it going forward ---- and that all the mass of software that was written for Wintel x86 simply isn't worth keeping --- at all.

Considering the ongoing mass of security and functional issues that keep coming up from the use of legacy Wintel software, this is likely a good decision on Apple's part just to dump it all in the dust bin.

My wife's Wintel computer has issues that crop up constantly at a relatively slow rate ...... and with the imminent death of Flash related items starting in a few months you are looking at another large wave of Wintel software indigestion heading right at you.  

Many old Wintel softwares had Adobe Flash in there as a background structural member ....... and these softwares will just stop working sporadically so planning to move over to another operating system starting right about now simply makes sense.

Me. I'd go over to Linux as Linux supports your existing hardware and it will roll forward into the future just dandy with ongoing full support levels and it will COST A WHOLE LOT LESS than buying a whole new set of Apple stuff.

My bet is you will see Clear Linux being pushed forward by the Wintel boys as their "future tech pathway" out of simple necessity.    

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Remember, Wintel's pay me support for Clear Linux will cost you exactly what Windows 10 support did in years past ....   and you will be paying MS $$$ to send you what is actually completely free FOSS software upgrades.

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Reply #402 - 06/26/20 at 16:26:56
 

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Exclusive-First-benchmarks-of-Intel-s-Lakefield...

Exclusive: First benchmarks of Intel's Lakefield Hybrid CPU - Innovative or unnecessary?

Intel's new Lakefield processor is supposed to be a chip with a very low power consumption for slim devices like the Samsung Galaxy Book S or the Microsoft Surface Neo. Thanks to the low TDP of 7 Watts, the processor can be cooled passively. This is supposed to be Intel's x86 alternative for ARM processor like the Snapdragon 8cx we recently reviewed in the Samsung Galaxy Book S.

The basic principle is comparable to the big.LITTLE design we know from ARM processors, where fast cores are combined with slower, but more efficient cores. For the new Lakefield processor Core i5-L16G7, intel combines a fast Sunny Cove core (up to 3.0 GHz), which is also used for modern 10 nm Ice Lake-U CPUs, with four efficient Tremont Atom cores (also 10 nm, up to 1.8 GHz). The hybrid processor also includes a fast integrated GPU. In theory, it is a fast Ice Lake iGPU (Gen. 11) with the designation Iris Plus Graphics G7 with 64 Execution Units, but the clock is much lower compared to regular 15W models (500 vs. 1100 MHz), so the performance is more comparable to a "regular" UHD Graphics 620. Tools like GPU-Z either show the iGPU as Lakefield GT2 or UHD Graphics. In addition to a fast Wi-Fi 6 module (AX200), Lakefield also supports Intel's XMM7560 LTE modem, but the latter is not included in the Samsung Galaxy Book S.

The five cores of the Lakefield CPU do not support Hyperthreading, so each core can only execute one thread. The operating system decides how the load is distributed among the cores. In the tests, it is not easy to get specific information about the chip. The familiar tools only show the CPU load or the core clock. It is interesting that we can only see up to 2.4 GHz when we stress one core, and multi-core tests result in 100% load for four cores at ~1.9 GHz, while one core only shows 10% load at 200-300 MHz.


Processor - Disappointing Single-Core Performance

The single-core performance of the new chip is very disappointing, because the Lakefield processor even falls behind the old Amber Lake dual-core m3-8100Y. This is mainly caused by the low clock of up to 2.4 GHz, and we could not see the advertised value of 3.0 GHz so far.

I like the conclusion of the review, that when you are running all 5 Intel Lakefield big little chip cores Lakefield just about equals the performance of the 14nm product from 6 years ago.

Letting Lakefield monitor and adjust its own workload, it throttles off at least half the cores resulting in slower and somewhat laggy performance in order to save battery power.

Intel promised 3 ghz speeds, but the reviewers only got 2.4 ghz during their testing and that was when Lakefield wasn't throttling like crazy.

Not impressive, Intel, and SIMPLY NOT COMPETITIVE.  

AMD, Apple, Samsung and Qualcomm all do it better than you do right now.



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https://liliputing.com/2020/07/lilbits-7-02-2020.html





Two weeks into shipping and all of the pundits have done their reviews -- 10nm Lakefield is more "same old same old" and Lakefield does not meet the 14nm performance of products from 4+ years ago.


Intel’s new 10nm Lakefield processors represent a big step for the chip maker. Like ARM’s big.LITTLE technology, these chips combine two different types of CPU core into a single package, although Intel accomplishes this in a different way thanks to its relatively crude Foveros 3D chip stacking technology.

The company has been talking about Foveros and Lakefield for more than a year, and last month Intel finally launched the first two chips. They’re 5-core processors that combine one Intel “Sunny Cove” high-performance CPU core with four energy-efficient “Tremont” cores.

Theoretically that gives you a burst of power when you need it, but low power consumption for most tasks. But as AnandTech explains in its (very) deep dive into the new Lakefield architecture, in practice, it’s likely that devices with Lakefield chips won’t offer much of a performance boost over existing Amber Lake chips like the Intel Core i7-8500Y because most of the time you’re going to be relying on the lower-performance CPU cores.

On the bright side, Lakefield chips do include a significant GPU upgrade — they feature Intel Gen11 graphics, compared to the Gen9.5 graphics you get with Amber lake chips. But that upgrade won’t necessarily help as much as you’d think, because the GPU will be clocked at just 500 MHz.

The good news is that we can expect small chip and motherboard sizes, enabling PC makers to offer thin, light, and fanless devices with long battery life. But since we already know that some of the first Lakefield-powered devices will be premium computers like the Microsoft Surface Neo, Samsung Galaxy Book S, and Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Fold, it’s likely that customers will be underwhelmed by the price to performance ratio.



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WILL 10nm LAKEFIELD'S FOVEROS PACKAGES EVER COMPETE WITH 7nm ARM ???     No, because of thermal throttling issues and heat transfer concerns due to the Intel stacking of several hot processors .......

No, because each layer of 10nm Lakefield takes up a chip's worth of wafer space, plus the backing plate connector and the top connecting plate, each of which cost another chip's area of silicon to build.   Cost of 10nm Lakefield is quite out of line, especially considering the lack of performance you get out of that larger expense.


Pudits right now say the just released Lakefield is well over a day late and a dollar short to AMD's latest 7nm low power laptop chipsets.   This will not improve any at all when AMD drops to 5nm laptop chiplets and 5nm whole chipset (laptop) designs starting early next year.    TSMC will build these new 5nm products on processes that can burn 4 to 14 layers thick into the original silicone wafer material ......

Intel will have to have TSMC to build their stuff for them if they are going to be competitive any at all going forward.

AMD no longer sets the competitive pace anyway, Apple does.   Will AMD change fast enough to beat Apple and the phone boys as they begin to slice up & dice up Intel's mortibund laptop and desktop turf?
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Reply #403 - 06/27/20 at 01:34:17
 

https://liliputing.com/2020/06/microsoft-is-closing-all-of-its-retail-stores....

Microsoft is closing all of its retail stores



Almost 11 years after opening its first bricks and mortar retail store, Microsoft had 83 stores around the world at the start of this year.

Microsoft says it will take a $450 million loss due to the closing of its stores.

Now the company says it’s closing them all and instead shift its focus to online sales through the existing Microsoft.com as well as the Microsoft Store apps for Windows and Xbox.



Sounds like MS is going to abandon all physical brick and mortar type sales of product and not have any real retail presence beyond the Best Buy and the Office Depot sorts of stores.

If you won't buy an ongoing service agreement (Office 365, etc.) on-line then MS has no use for you,  really.  

MS only wants to do "single item sales" now when you are buying a new computer .....   and then the start up routine of the brand new machine leads you into signing up with a MS ongoing service agreement (complete with nag screens that pop up to remind you to complete your sign up).

I predict MS will start supplying a temporary 90 day license with the newly built machines, giving you just enough use time to go on-line and get all signed up with a Windows or Office 365 service package.

A day will come when your machine will actually come with PoP OS (or some other Ubuntu derived software like Clear Linux) that is pre-loaded on the box itself simply to get you going long enough to get on line.  

And if you want to pay for Windows, well you can personally go to Mickey on line and sign your life away on your very own.   Your machine builder will no longer want to spend the $$$ Mickey wants for the temporary license to boot Windows for the first short period.




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Reply #404 - 06/27/20 at 14:03:40
 

Retrospect on Chromebooks

It has been 8 years now, so what splash did Chromebooks really make?  

Chromebooks took over basically all of education (taking 20% of Apple's and Microsoft's worlds with it).   "All of education" is a pretty big chunk of change, money-wise.

Chromebooks in Big Business uses have grown steadily in the past 3 years to be a ~10%~ market share holder, being a good bit cheaper to administer to the worker bees that are intentionally limited to the Company software mix that is being delivered through the Company intranet.

Lower cost to buy, lower cost to administer, very secure and easily limited (if you remove the machine from the building it becomes a useless brick) --- for a worker bee data entry type person Chromebooks have a whole lot going for them.

Your entry level workforce comes from school already all accustomed to using them, so there are many existing pluses now for Chromebooks in the low end of big business uses.

End user home machines, not so much anymore since the cell phone grew so much in power and in absolute popularity.   The cell phone itself is a preferred tool for personal uses that do not involve a keyboard.

The rise of the 8" and 10" Fire tablet running the Google Playstore with a keyboard case has actually shown up as a mix that is taking over a small chunk of personal home use.

Google Stada can stream AAA games to a Chromebook, which is a statement that means Chromebooks can be as powerful as they need to be for whatever use you want to put them to.   Google server farms can provide whatever grunt your program or game or WHATEVER needs for you to have right now.
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