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Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes
Reply #270 - 06/19/19 at 05:58:21
 

Why Bluekeep worm is so pervasive in the world of Windows


Old to new, Windows Apps (windows programs) use lots of legacy functions that simply worked fine and never got changed.

Even if you have a modern Window 10 version that is supposedly immune, you will still have these drivers and such loaded on your machine, reloaded in various local directories by your apps that needed them and your app replaced them every time Win 10 scrubbed them away in nightly updates.   You can't get away from the legacy stuff because the software you run needs them.

When your software apps stop putting them back, you will still have LAYERS of them stuck inside your older machine in various directories.

People wonder why Google spent that much money and effort to write their Fuchsia code from totally from scratch using ONLY their own modern tools and modern drivers and such, this is partially why (and don't forget all them pesky legal entanglements they are avoiding by doing so, too).

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Reply #271 - 06/19/19 at 09:30:49
 
And these are the patches the advisory recommends "immediately applying" to your operating system:

Windows XP / Windows Server 2003 – Security Patch KB4500331
Windows Vista / Windows Server 2008 – Security Patch KB4499180 OR Monthly Rollup KB4499149
Windows 7 / Windows Server 2008 R2 – Security Patch KB4499175 OR Monthly Rollup KB4499164

https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/msrc/2019/05/30/a-reminder-to-update-your...
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Reply #272 - 06/20/19 at 21:15:13
 

Why does Intel only compare itself to outdated and replaced old AMD processors or even older Intel processors?   Why does Intel commission "hit articles" from their tame reviewers intentionally based on erroneous or out of date information?  

Why does Intel demo demonstratively false and misleading hardware set ups at major computer shows?

Why does Intel commission performance reviews from folks with names like Trusted Reviews that are horribly tilted and totally misleading?  

Why does Intel commission articles showing their "new stuff that is released" when it is not available yet (building isn't even built yet) and when it does become available it does not perform as well as the original "reports" would have indicated?

Why does Intel routinely rename all their products that get caught up in this PR bullshite every six months, religiously, as new and improved when in fact it is just new stenciling on the same chipsets?   The solvent rag wipe trick solves all of Intel's old issues for them for the last several years and Intel still gets away with it?  

Why do you still have to run the risk of Intel subbing in an old 22nm processor from warehouse stocks, forcing your machine vendor to use them on the quiet just so he has something to sell?

Why does Intel's 10nm still under perform to Intel's older 14nm products as far as speed and processing power?   Why is this still called "new and improved" by the press when it so obviously isn't?

Why does Intel keep trying to get TSMC and Samsung to produce their old chipsets for them (to relieve Intel's production crisis) as "improved new versions" when they are not new or improved?

Why do HP "state of the art" Intel based units keep getting recalled for performance issues and gross overheating?   Ditto for Apple units using the same Intel processors?

Why does Intel keep overcharging everybody price-wise because they don't have current lithography processes and cannot be competitive any longer?

Why are you still having to deal with mitigations for 10-15 year old Intel bad marketing choices, predictive based security vulnerabilities, etc. etc. etc.    Why has Intel had to turn off Hyperthreading again on so many of their newest processors?

Why does Lenovo and HP keep rolling out more and more different lines and SKUs using AMD processors as they both did yet again this past week?  


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Reply #273 - 06/22/19 at 04:12:46
 

Rumors from Intel Land

Everything wonderful you read in the paid Intel press about Intel 10nm, think on this ......  Intel currently only has one production line that can limp as good as what we can now see, and there ARE NO PLANS to get any more 10nm lines.  

The 7nm Intel Project timeline is doing "better" than the 10nm Intel Project and the Intel 7nm project implementation dates are overlapping 10nm now and the Intel 7nm project is still progressing date-wise and the 10nm project is not.   Intel is spending money on their 7nm plant lines, and has stopped wasting money on 10nm totally.

You can figure this one out on your own, Intel will announce that 7nm will start "soon" and they will show some new production lines to back that statement up.

Also realize that for Intel, the difference between 10nm and 7nm is a flexible thing, so if Intel wants to run their "7nm lines" in for the first year building "10nm Tiger Lake" while actually trying to shake out a bunch of 7nm design and early production bugs out of 7nm, well that might be a good path for Intel to take since Intel's 10nm image cannot possibly be damaged more than it already is.

Intel has only "10nm redesigned" just a very very few of their laptop chipsets for real and only originally had plans for about 4-6 chipsets at 10nm anyway, with them originally planned to be sharing that one limping modified production line.  

Remember once again, in reality the current 10nm Intel doesn't functionally outperform the existing 14nm Intel chipsets in real uses for anything other than mildly less power consumption (and that lower power consumption is being hurt by having to overclock 10nm so much just to get it to get out of its own way).  



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https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2019/06/21/intel-plans-shock-proce...

Rumors abound that Intel's head bean picker is going to have to cut his synthetically inflated 14nm prices he had put on their old Intel 14nm chipsets.   Intel is in a bad bad place right now, having just flat running out of 14nm production capacity while still bleeding from high scrap costs over their newer 14nm designs that do not fit and work well on 14nm for multiple multiple multiple cored products.  

Since Intel puts 14nm lithography all down at the same time on the same 14nm 2-D photo resist substrate, Intel's ongoing scrap costs due to cumulative errors due to increasing complexity are already quite high and are going up through the roof as Intel core counts keep go up.  

For Intel to have to cut their super inflated 14nm prices means they have to start eating some ongoing money out of their bank account again ......    and after blowing 25 billion chasing mobile a few years back Intel has not yet amassed that kind of cash stockpile like they used to have back then.



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The 2019 Ryzen Mobile APU refresh of the old AMD laptop line of "all in one" processor is now done and it has created a brand new improvement level for laptops.   You can see the results from it right now in the HP Business Pro line up if you want to go have a look at it.  

Another AMD Ryzen Mobile refresh is planned for next year, and this refresh may actually involve a lithography downsizing as well as a chiplet based redesign,  either to Samsung 4nm or to TSMC 5nm depending if Intel really actually achieves something with their 10nm or 7nm to start that ball rolling early.

AMD is distracted at the moment doing a world's best Super Computer with Cray for our NSA buddies.   This will take a priority out of their attention for the second half of this year.   It is fortunate that AMD has already laid in new product plans two years out, plans and designs which all key off Intel doing something to try to actually compete with them (eventually) and these AMD new product plans only need execution by placing a purchase order at TSMC or at  Samsung since AMD already have their next level lithography designs proven out and ready now.



The Cray Super Computer

The Cray Super Computer project involves mating a large single 64-128 core Ryzen Epyc core chipset, an AI processor array and at least FOUR Radeon graphics chipsets together to make up a single cluster on the same rack board, using AMD's Infinity Fabric to build a very fast moving data cruncher cluster ----- and then organizing a thousand or so of these rack board clusters using all the skills Cray has honed over the decades.

AMD is likely to come out of the Cray Super Computer partnership carrying a brand new appreciation of combined processing efficiency and a new set of skills about combining CPU and GPU and AI functions in advanced & beneficial manners.   This will leak out in their Consumer and Epyc lines of products naturally after 2-3 years when the Cray NDA agreements run out.
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Reply #274 - 06/22/19 at 16:15:04
 

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/google-chromebooks-intel-ice-lake-processor...

Google's decision to not run with Ice Lake chips doesn't mean that it's getting a divorce from Intel. There is concrete evidence that Google is already working with Intel to bring Tiger Lake (TGL) support to Chrome OS. Tiger Lake processors, which are slated to come out next year, seemingly come out of Intel's same 10nm oven. The new chips are expected to combine Intel's Willow Cove architecture with its Xe Graphics.

However, let's not forget that Google recently added support for AMD's Ryzen 3000-series APUs (Accelerated Processing Units) to Coreboot, so we should see Chromebooks with AMD Ryzen processors very soon while Intel currently has nothing that Google even wishes to try to support.



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Everybody (including Google who had already made boards up for Cannon Lake then had to cancel them due to no Intel working production).
Everyone
is skipping out on the very weak and puny Cannon Lake rename that is being called "Ice Lake" --- all of the various designers and builders are saying the real Intel Tiger Lake 10nm version is coming out next year and that one may offer the AMD Ryzen 3000 series APUs some mild competition and thus cause AMD to bring forward their pending lithography downsizing and redesign of their Ryzen APU series which will in turn end all these weak Intel contenders very promptly.


Tongue      Still, it is the first Intel product line announcement that has been dissed and ignored by computer makers as not worth doing .......
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Reply #275 - 06/22/19 at 18:54:18
 

https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/tsmc-6nm-5-nm-80-percent-density

https://fuse.wikichip.org/news/2446/tsmc-demonstrates-a-7nm-arm-based-chiplet...

https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/tsmc-6nm-5-nm-80-percent-density


Significant news from ARM land and from TSMC

The main gist of all of this is that 5nm is HERE, now, ready for production in early 2020.  It however requires a redesign and re-layout of all of 7nm products to get all of the size and the extra 15 layer benefits that come with the new ASML direct burn 5nm-3nm scanner lines that folks are currently building.

TSMC's 6nm is also HERE, now, and it does NOT require a 7nm redesign/re-layout and it does offer 85% of the 5nm size benefits but 6nm does not offer all the extra 15 layer benefits of ASML's newest 5nm lithography does offer.

TSMC is beginning to pump up all the ARM phone chip designers, offering them the many many core chiplet tech AMD has been using in a 5nm lithography 15 layer chiplet format.   Specifically, these are 5nm 15 layer ARM processor chiplets that TSMC is currently talking about.

We see AMD moving towards using 4nm Samsung and now suddenly TSMC is peddling AMD's chiplet tech and infinity fabric tech to the whole ARM world at 5nm/15 layer?   Nice folks there at TSMC.  How is it suddenly your role to be peddling other people's tech?

I am all cornfused, a bunch .......   who actually owns this tech?

ARM Holdings and Qualcomm are acting kinda sorta slow on the uptake right now, as I would expect Qualcomm and ARM to be leading this sort of new tech wave, not TSMC.  

It is possible that ARM Holdings is simply sitting mum on this new development as is their habit, waiting to give the first mover advantage to their first customer (Apple) with everybody  knowing that TSMC is where Apple is building their A-14 chipset ....... and TSMC may have simply let the cat out of the bag accidentally early and in a way that makes them look really really bad.

We have known for years that AMD had a ARM design license and we knew ARM tech existed inside AMD processors, but to suddenly find TSMC peddling the AMD chiplet stuff to the broader ARM cell phone world along with the Infinity Fabric that makes it all possible, well it is a right surprise to me.   It certainly causes me to question who actually owns the tech that is involved .......  and makes me suspect what Apple is working on as well.   TSMC is referring here to successful prove out runs of a very complex PC like chipset with a lots & lots of complexity and many many many cores .......    

Apple's first PC level ARM chipset would look a lot like that, you know.

What we may also be seeing may be a form of Far Eastern rebellion against Trump's American Technology Transfer protectionism.    We may also be simply seeing that AMD's chiplet tech was really generalistic ARM tech all along, and AMD was simply the first to move it over into PC uses.

For example, TSMC has now stated it will continue to do business with Huawei, and TSMC is now giving Huawei new technology apart from AMD, ARM and the USA.    Remember please, Huawei is TSMC's largest non-Apple customer after all.

This current move from TSMC looks like it has TSMC assuming the rights to transfer some USA chiplet technology apart from the USA parent company ........      Shocked


Huh       We assumed AMD was the originator of the tech ...... key word here is "assumed" I do believe.  

I think ARM and TSMC need to clarify this situation, ASAP




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First wave of clarifications arrives ........

Watch out boys and girls, TSMC is reaching over into the FOSS RISC-V and MIPS worlds and tucking it all together themselves with some existing tech from ARM that is currently already licensed by all the phone chip builders.

TSMC is signalling that the phone chip guys (Huawei specifically) can build up better computer chips than Intel currently has "by doing the AMD thing" just by using tech that is either free or has use rights that are already owned by Huawei and Mediatek and all the others.

Is this a Far Eastern reaction to the Trump tech embargo?

Look to see Trump assign people to "look into this" and to try to create some fashion of payback for TSMC for breaking up Trumps tech embargo.

It is clear now that TSMC sees its bread buttered on the China side, not the USA side as the vast mass of chip sales volume now comes from India and the Orient .......

Quantum computing may create the tech wall that Trump needs, if he can get the USA Quantum creators grouped together behind the new tech wall that he builds.

Global Foundry and Intel (and Intel's still massive build capacity) may well be a key part of this USA tech wall.

The tech that AMD and Cray develop to use in the new NSA supercomputer needs to go behind Trump's tech wall as well.


INTEL  ----- get off your dead ass and MOVE YOURSELF, you can do this too off of your existing ARM design license.   For you to still be dicking around while everyone in the Orient moves past you is CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE on your beanpicker CEO's part.

https://fuse.wikichip.org/news/2446/tsmc-demonstrates-a-7nm-arm-based-chiplet...

It is clear that TSMC considers this combined FOSS and ARM chiplet tech as coming from them and they have the rights to distribute it as they see fit ......



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https://wccftech.com/tsmcs-custom-built-octa-core-a72-chip-reaches-4ghz-at-1-...



TSMC’s design starts from a single chip with two chiplets on board. Each chiplet die is 4.4 mm by 6.2 mm with four Cortex A72 cores present. The cores have a custom L1 cache, and two 1 MiB L2 cache blocks on the die. An additional high-density bitcell 6 MiB L3 cache is also present. The cores can reach 4.0GHz at 1.20V, and 4.20 GHz at 1.375V. Additionally, the 1968-bit wide on-die mesh interconnects are capable of operating above 4GHz, and six of these are present on each die.

The two chiplets are connected to each other through TSMC’s Low-voltage-In-Package-INterconnect (LIPINCON). Each of these PHYs measures 0.42mm x 2.4mm, and can reach data transfer rates of 8Gb/p/s (Gigabit-per-pin-per-second) through a 2:1 multiplex function. LIPINCON also provides 0.56pJ/bit power efficiency and 1.6TB/s/mm˛ bandwidth density and 320GB/s bandwidth. It’s also important to note that more than two chiplets can be used with this design.

Through using CoWoS, TSMC is able to drive down power consumption for the chiplets, and TSMC has used a micro-bump pitch of 40µm in this design, and the two dies are separated by 100µm. These numbers put the Taiwanese fab ahead of Intel, and if TSMC continues its current trajectory, then it could very well expand its presence in the market in the future.


OK, so it is some serious stuff, it is well thought out and it shows how TSMC can use its 7nm, 6nm and 5nm direct burn EUV to simply outclass Intel at the PC game using technology all the phone players have already licensed from ARM.

This is Intel's worst nightmare -- effective competition from EVERYBODY in the world.

Intel is noticeably shaky right now and TSMC is flat out suggesting that ANY of the phone chipset builders (yep, any of them) could use and improve upon TSMC's 8 chiplet per chip design as shown and get TSMC to run PC class ARM processors off by the bajillions.

Give your imagination a practical functional boost here, use a RISC-V license on a completed and proven out FOSS PC chip design put together by a FOSS consortium using TSMC's ideas and simply make Intel passe'.

See, I can help Intel out too, just like TSMC did ........    Undecided



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Reply #276 - 06/24/19 at 18:32:22
 
 
https://liliputing.com/2019/06/raspberry-pi-4-is-faster-supports-up-to-4gb-of...

https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-4-on-sale-now-from-35/


We watch the bottom end for changes that come on like a rising tide, basic change levels that will lift all boats.



Raspberry Pi 3 is history after 3 years now, all hail the Raspberry Pi 4, the new $35 single board processor from James Upton and the Raspberry Pi group.

It supports dual monitors at 1080p resolution

It can be bought stock with 4 gigabytes of systems memory instead of 1 gig (4 gig price is $55)

It uses current standard MicroSD for its hard drive space (which you can buy on sale this week with up to 200 gigabytes for relatively small money compared to what you used to spend on a smaller spinning platter hard drive).

It has 4 USB ports in total, two USB 2 and two USB 3 ports and one high amp USB OTG port that is used to power the device and can do data transfer if you can't use a USB 2 or 3 to do it.   This RP4 unit takes in and transfers (in total for all outputs) up to 3 amps of charger power to various attached USB devices.

It has dual micro HDMI ports and supports the use of dual monitors stock at both 1080p and does work (but slower) on 4k monitors as well.

It actually gets out of its own way now fairly well now with true Gigabit Ethernet capability, and configurations like this that actually can make some better sense now.



While this might be the first version of a Raspberry Pi that’s arguably fast enough to use as a real desktop computer, note that the $35 – $55 price tag doesn’t include everything you need to get started. You’ll also want a microSD card for storage, a power supply, and other accessories (such as a mouse, keyboard, and display).

Want to get most of those things in one kit? The new Raspberry Pi 4 Desktop Computer Kit sells for $120 and includes a Raspberry Pi 4 Model B with 4GB of RAM, a keyboard, mouse, and power supply, a case, two micro HDMI to HDMI cables, and a 16GB microSD card loaded with software plus a user guide.


Sad thing is a used Dell Opteron full tower case Engineers grade PC can occasionally be bought cheaper than $100  on Ebay, and that is after being stuffed with all the sticks of memory it can hold so this isn't the cheapest strong computer out there.

Computing is available really cheap these days, despite what Intel and MS say about it.


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This originally mundane little kiddy device now swings full Debian 10 (the basic guts of Ubuntu and Mint) and Open GL video drivers.

It  has enough guts to do dual monitor office work (yes, a bit slowly) and it can play a whole world of older style games just fine.   A kid can do his homework on it or he can go online with his buddies.

The high tide mark just went permanently up at least 2 feet over there in the low end mud flat district .......
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Reply #277 - 06/25/19 at 20:29:52
 

https://liliputing.com/2019/06/canonical-sort-of-backtracks-ubuntu-will-conti...

Ubuntu has screwed up mightily this past week by saying they were dumping all 32 bit support as of right now, with the current release being only compiled for 64 bit Linux systems.

Shuttleworth and his boys claim they asked all their peers and their supporting distros about this move months ago, but this was obviously NOT COMPLETELY TRUE because the world immediately screamed at the Ubuntu lead team that 1) they had broken Steam on Linux completely as many games are actually compiled at 32 bits .... and 2) they had broken all of WINE compatibility layers that are being used all over the place pretty much completely as Wine is at its base a 32 bit code.

It is obvious that Ubuntu is acting so self-centered now to a simply amazing degree and I know that Linux Mint as a sub-distro has been greatly stressed out by some of what Ubuntu has done willy-nilly of late, making key software choices that have very high maintenance levels as a current issue.    This Ubuntu self-absorption is not a new thing, BTW, Linux Mint itself came into existence because Ubuntu carelessly screwed the pooch thoroughly about 10 years ago in a very similar fashion.

Steam has announced that they will start focusing on some other distro ASAP ---- which one is not yet decided as Ubuntu of late has not been a good set of stable sensible folks to partner with.    If Gabe at Steam makes good on his threat many distros will automatically make the same move as Steam does as GAMES ARE IMPORTANT to a lot of distros and having a stable working environment is very important to all of them too.

Ubuntu likes to break things carelessly way too much lately --- Ubuntu has done got the mental Mickeysoft disease they do.



4 days later .......



https://liliputing.com/2019/06/steam-will-continue-to-work-with-ubuntu-for-no...


Due to pushback from the community, Canonical backtracked a bit and announced plans to include some 32-bit binaries in Ubuntu 19:10 and Ubuntu 20.04 LTS. So it’s unsurprising that Valve says Steam will work on those upcoming operating systems. But as for the future of Steam on Linux? That’s a little less clear.

In a nutshell, Valve says it already includes many of the dependencies that 32-bit games need in order to run properly. But it relies on the host operating system for some things including 32-bit glibc, Mesa and NVIDIA graphics drivers, and more.

While it could be possible to put some of those things into a container so that they’d work even if they aren’t officially supported by the operating system, Valve had originally decided to drop support for Ubuntu when it became clear that it wouldn’t be possible to find workaround by the time Ubuntu 19.10 is scheduled to launch in October.

But now that Canonical seems set to offer at least 5-6 years of support for key 32-bit binaries, (Ubuntu 20.04 LTS, which is set to launch next April, will be a long-term support release), it make sense for Valve to continue supporting the operating system.

That said, in Valve’s statement, the company makes it pretty clear that it’s exploring other options “that offer a great gaming desktop experience such as Arch Linux, Manjaro, Pop!_OS” and Fedora. I wouldn’t be surprised if one of those other Linux distributions became the recommended Steam Linux OS in the future.


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Reply #278 - 06/26/19 at 02:07:35
 
I think the Linux Mint team has been hedging their bets and created a Linux Mint Debian Edition.  I am not sure what the state of it is though.
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Reply #279 - 06/26/19 at 06:29:13
 

Mint Debian is about 5 years old now, and it actually takes about as much effort to maintain as Ubuntu used to take before the bevy of bad decisions came out of Shuttleworth's lead group --- HOWEVER, if Steam and Gabe goes with plain Debian as the Steam basis then that equation changes quite a bit.

Gabe at Steam is looking for a distro with a large support team that keeps it up quite well.   Mint is really too too small, all they have ever done is tune Ubuntu or Debian just a little tiny bit.   Ubuntu, when they don't have their heads up their butts is the right general size of organization and CAN make up a good match for Steam and Mint.

Microsoft's Clear is a candidate for source for both Steam and for Mint, but the main issue is that it is not free as it only gets released as part of a Mickysoft product.  Another fault is Clear changes too too radically way too frequently just to suit Mickey's itches.

Debian moves "broad stroke" upgrades at about the right speed.   Ubuntu's real main problem is their "Benevolent Dictator Forever" Mark Shuttleworth keeps abruptly making these individually called decisions that actually affect a lot more people than just him and his organization.
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Reply #280 - 06/26/19 at 11:13:07
 

https://liliputing.com/2019/06/report-microsofts-next-surface-devices-could-i...



AMD is already making inroads into the laptop and desktop PC space thanks to the company’s Ryzen processors which offer competitive pricing and performance when compared with their equivalent Intel chips.

A Microsoft design win would be big news, since Surface devices tend to be premium products that Microsoft pitches as offering best-in-class performance for Windows laptops, tablets, or whatever you want to call the Surface Studio. I wouldn’t be surprised to see more PC makers opt for AMD chips if and when Microsoft starts shipping some AMD-powered Surface devices.

As for the rumored Surface Pro tablet with an ARM processor, that may be even more important… for Microsoft, if not for other PC makers.

Microsoft have been pushing Windows on ARM for the past two years, but so far most of the Windows 10 notebooks and tablets to ship with the software have offered extra-long battery life, always-connected capabilities thanks to integrated 4G LTE and… pretty lousy performance.

Qualcomm says its upcoming Snapdragon 8cx processor should change that by offering Intel Core i5-like performance. But according to Brad Sams, Microsoft is working with Qualcomm on a custom system-on-a-chip code-named “Excalibur,” which may be better optimized for Windows 10.



If I am reading this right, Microsoft is saying they are going to have Surface units with ARM processors and AMD processors as well as Intel.

Why?    BECAUSE INTEL IS FROZEN IN PLACE WHILE AMD AND ARM ARE MOVING FORWARD.   Having Intel processors as your only choice is a bad bet and MS isn't completely stupid in that way any more than Apple is.


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Intel brought out a new carefully binned and sorted "beat this" chipset, a Core i9 9770 running 5.2 ghz.    Made a bunch of noise about it and started issuing "you can't touch this performance" challenges.

Intel forgot something, that AMD checks every chiplet that they make and if they wanted to make a chip variant with higher speeds they certainly have a bin jest full of the chiplets to use to do just that.  

Sure enough, AMD went and put together a standard 16 core Ryzen 9  using a set of 2 each 5.2 ghz rated 8 core chiplets that has just decimated that one off special Intel chipset, at 25% lower current draw no less, running twice the data throughput and having a higher single core processing power (hey, you get to pick which one, they all can do it) and a better gaming speed than Intel's cherry picked very best of the best.  

Since the AMD 16 core Ryzen 9 in question wasn't running any extra voltage, it wasn't technically even overclocked at all when it offed Intel's finest.

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Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes
Reply #281 - 06/28/19 at 17:57:09
 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2019/06/28/amds-ryzen-5-3700x-beat...

Forbes is a financial magazine whose readership expects them to keep an eye on Intel.   Forbes has factually reported what has been going on for the last critical Six Months as Intel has lost its leadership position in personal computing.

Forbes has their own tech reporter now who is getting newly released CPU sets from both sides so he can do his own real, impartial testing and reporting.     Why is this needed, you ask?     Because Intel makes up its own news by using paid shill reporters who report totally false made up completely inappropriate comparisons (utter crap) as facts.

Now why is this particular report news?   Intel's very best totally cherry picked and tweeked gaming stuff got its cherry picked arse totally demolished by Ryzen 9 just 2 days ago with the Ryzen not even being overvoltage overclocked at all.

So why is the Ryzen 7 3700x (stock) beating the same  Core i9-9900K (gamer special) any form of big deal?   AMD is simply showing that their middle of the road stuff can kick Intel's arse as well, and that is newsworthy, especially coming from Forbes.

The silent recommendation to the Forbes readership is to tread lightly on Intel's future position -- this is Forbe's job to tell their readership about this as soon as possible so they have time to make adjustments.

So, what does Forbes actually have say one week out from the big ship on AMD processors across the world, having gotten and tested their provided samples from both sides already.

AMD's Ryzen 7 3700X Beats Intel Core i9-9900K In New Benchmarks

Antony Leather Contributor
Consumer Tech -- Forbes

Several results have been posted, three of which I've graphed here against results for the Core i9-9900K that are easily searchable in the database here. In the processor arithmetic benchmark, which measures the arithmetic and floating point performance of processors, the Intel CPU still has a lead, but it's less than 8%.
  (Note please, this is Intel's only win on an i9 Intel 97700K that is being run against a mid line AMD Ryzen 7 3700x, so you would think Intel would have something better than an 8% lead on the only one item that they post a win for for something they claim "total dominance" over)

     Roll Eyes

The image processing score was one of the biggest wins for the mid line AMD with a 15% lead over the mighty Intel Core i9 CPU.   The rest of the AMD wins were smaller numbers, but it shows that AMD has line lapped Intel pretty much across the lines of each vendor's current offerings.

The above benchmark the multi-media and media processing performance of processors and here the AMD CPU is 9% faster than the Core i9-9900K.  These are mostly encouraging signs that AMD is going to perform well in content creation software .
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Reply #282 - 06/29/19 at 00:49:34
 

Got a bunch of traffic going on right now about AMD's Chinese joint venture being abused by the Chinese to steal technology not covered by the joint venture agreement.

Remember, this old AMD joint venture was completely approved by all applicable functions of the USA government at the time it took place, way back in the age of innocence.

Now, the Chinese joint venture company has been 'entity listed" by the US Government for stealing CURRENT USA tech secrets and AMD's joint venture is now formally and officially over and done with as of this point in time.  

If you remember, at the time I said the Chinese would steal the next level of AMD tech through industrial espionage and thoroughly intermix it with their currently owned AMD, Global Foundry and MIPS and other origins of the legal tech purchases that they had bought such that it would be impossible to straighten out by the time they got caught at it.

Tongue     I am watching this happen as we speak.

Lisa Su is now heading an effort to curtail and document this stealing of USA technology, specifically new AMD items that were never covered in the joint venture agreement that have actually shown up inside the latest Chinese supercomputer as recent "Chinese improvements".

AMD is currently 3 generations ahead of what should have shown up in processors built by the Chinese Joint Venture.    Great efforts are being spent now to correctly document exactly what the Chinese stole and exactly where they stole it from ...... and counter efforts to stop the stolen tech from moving forward any further down the AMD development path are underway.

TSMC is now suspected of distributing USA Tech secrets to other companies and to other entities.

The US government is also alerting Universities to keep close track of what labs Chinese National exchange students are permitted to enter.   IBM and AMD and Samsung work together with Universities on new computer tech and it is thought that the various labs at the Universities are very very "not secure" places.

What TSMC has just outlined this past week as "tech that anybody can use" will greatly hamper these efforts by AMD and the US Gov. agencies.    

It is suspected that this whole "TSMC originated" FOSS tech sharing thing was done last week was done on purpose simply to muddy up the water really really good and to protect China from what they have gotten caught at doing by stealing the current crop of brand new computer processor secrets.    

All applicable FOSS projects should pay close attention also, if they are getting used as a smoke screen by Chinese Industrial Espionage Activities.    Any FOSS projects put on the entity list are simply over and done with -- there is no recourse other than the courts and lawyers cost lots of money.
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Re: 2019 -- new Intel failures & successes
Reply #283 - 07/05/19 at 05:07:00
 

In two days the Nondisclosure Period on the Ryzen 3000 release ends.

Folks have boards and chipsets all over the place for weeks now and the Asians and the Europeans have been leaking benchmarks in a steady rain for as long as they have had their hardware.

We will watch Tom's Hardware as our official listing as they have been keeping a mixed brand ranking that includes both Intel and AMD ranked in order.   With all the news about AMD's 12 and 16 cores being greatly ahead of anything Intel has, and the shocking news that the Ryzen 5 line beats Core i7s pretty much in everything and that the lowest of the low Ryzen 3 line beats some of the Core i7s and ALL of the Core i5s, well, the Intel massacre is pretty bloody and messy at this point in time.

Intel still has their media controlling hand on the balls of most of the PC press, so look to see "the big squeeze" go into play and for all the tame Intel press to squeal out in unison to say whatever it is that Intel wants them to say .......

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Reply #284 - 07/08/19 at 14:11:12
 

Wow, people are pretty smart.

AMD offers you about 5 different levels of Ryzen 3 CPU products.   The German computer press points out that by price-value ranking the current Intel slaying AMD Ryzen products this choice can be simplified a whole lot --- this is basically saying that only 2 AMD price points control 90% of the normal consumer volume vis a vis the old Intel units.  

And by buying a modern AMD motherboard and spending a little extra money on a better grade of memory the Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 7 can overcome ALL THE CURRENT INTEL CONSUMER PROCESSORS for any normal levels of gaming or any normal levels productive work.

At a very significant price benefit.

Next, AMD is tearing up both Intel and NVIDIA by improving their units ongoing and by lowering AMD's pricing as needed.   NVIDIA attempted to do a price cut on the very day that AMD started shipping and found out just how quick AMD can adjust a price -- instantly is how fast.

Lisa Su also likes her mantra, and has adjusted pricing and features to hold to her mantra as Intel has actually cut their ugly price gouging down to more realistic pricing levels.   Hey, you can still buy twice the processing throughput for half the cost so why would you ever buy Intel again?
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