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LostArtist
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Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Reply #15 - 05/24/18 at 08:28:46
 
MnSpring wrote on 05/24/18 at 07:42:43:
LostArtist wrote on 05/23/18 at 22:32:58:
"... let's start with getting the current background check system in actual working order..."


       The above,  
Does Not, sound like,  ‘Ban’, and ‘Make More Laws’
                 It Sounds a lot like,
 ‘Enforce the Laws on the Books’
(Hmmmm,  where have I heard that before ?)



take note, I NEVER disagreed with you there. you're just looking for a fight, assigning positions to me that I don't hold, assuming you know me because you have me labeled...
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Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Reply #16 - 05/24/18 at 08:36:38
 
MnSpring wrote on 05/24/18 at 08:23:40:
LostArtist wrote on 05/23/18 at 22:32:58:
"... I hear this slippery slope crap all the time, enough already.  

A, ‘Slippery Slope’, is a phrase that is most known for it’s relationship to firearms/laws/freedom.

Yet,  ‘Slippery Slope’, Can and Has Been,
        very successful,
 in many other applications.

Now here is the the reason it is called,  ‘Slippery Slope’.
Ever Been on one ?   Ever Slid down one ?
Once you start, it is very hard to stop,
           Very  Hard.

So the term,  ‘Slippery Slope’,
       applying to  gun laws.
A  Liberal, pushes a Conservative,
 To the  ‘Slippery Slope’, and then they will
 ’Slide’ down rapidly.
Right down to the bottom, where  the Liberal want’s them.

And that is accomplished with terms like:
       ‘Common Sense Gun Laws’
So when the Ultra-Librals, believe they have DUPED  enough people.
With Their term, ‘Common Sense Gun Laws’,
Which WILL, Contain  absolutely  Draconian BAN ‘rules’.

If any one questions it, the Ultra-Liberls will Champion it,
calling it,  ‘Common Sense Gun Laws’,
and add, ‘Just Pass it, and read it later”.
 (Because they KNOW, that Line Works)

Just a tidbit for those that  Don't know.
 When Clinton First wrote the,
‘Common Sense Gun Law’
  BANNING  AR-15 and variants.

The First Bills, ALSO,  Completely BANNED,
a 2 barrel Shotgun, with One trigger.
AND, ALL,  Semi-Auto Shotguns.

But ya know, a ‘lobby’, stepped in,
and they had people that were firearm knowledgeable.
They, ‘Caught’,  those ’ ‘Slippery Slope’ laws.

Just like a bunch of, ‘Excavator Business’,
Hired a, ‘Lobby’, so that a, ‘Mound’ system was required.
A mound system cost a homeowner 4 times more,
and it cost the Excavator Less than a ‘old style’ system to install.
       (mound system treats backwater)

So perhaps now, some may understand,
 slippery slope, is NOT,  crap


no it's crap.  you like to believe it because it peaks those fear receptors in your brain releasing adrenaline and other endorphins that make you excited and happy.  

There is a STRONG middle ground, but only the extreme sides have megaphones. And the more sensational something is, the more attention it gets, by YOU, by ME, by everyone, and did Clinton sign the revised bill?? I think he did.. so he wasn't hard nosed and uncompromising was he? meanwhile, many PRO GUN NUTS, are hard nosed and uncompromising. They are by their NATURE, paranoid lil sh!ts.  
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Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Reply #17 - 05/24/18 at 09:47:04
 
Being aware of history and the nature of man isn't paranoia.
Bad stuff happens.
Being aware of the fact that others are not always nice isn't paranoia.
Are you paranoid for wearing a seatbelt?
Having a spare tire?
Have you ever bought a daughter or wife pepper spray?
Do you approach intersections
Looking for someone who is not paying attention? Is that paranoid or just being safe?
You people Do Not understand how much safer YOU are, because of all those concealed carry guns out there. Bad guys know that there are guns in waistband and purses and they don't know which ones.
That's a DETERRENT.
And everyone benefits.
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Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Reply #18 - 05/24/18 at 11:57:54
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/24/18 at 09:47:04:
Being aware of history and the nature of man isn't paranoia.
Bad stuff happens.
Being aware of the fact that others are not always nice isn't paranoia.


no, but suspecting it will happen at any time at any minute, anywhere, and you need deadly force to fight it....  idk, come on, I've NEVER felt threatened IN MY ENTIRE LIFE.  


Are you paranoid for wearing a seatbelt?
Having a spare tire?
Have you ever bought a daughter or wife pepper spray?
Do you approach intersections
Looking for someone who is not paying attention? Is that paranoid or just being safe?
You people

you people??? seriously?  okay, us people....  yeah...    screw you (listen, I'm just a vulgar person, but when you belittle me, you get nothing, okay, no more

Do Not understand how much safer YOU are, because of all those concealed carry guns out there. Bad guys know that there are guns in waistband and purses and they don't know which ones.
That's a DETERRENT.
And everyone benefits.


no, it's not...  if bad people will ignore VISIBLE signs...  if bad people will do whatever they want to with or without guns as you've argued before....   yet you think they'll pay attention to invisible CCLs???   so which is it? are bad people going to do bad things regardless or do deterrents (laws) work??

oh, and most places with those signs, HAVE ARMED SECURITY! as I've said before
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Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Reply #19 - 05/24/18 at 12:27:54
 
oh, and most places with those signs, HAVE ARMED SECURITY! as I've said before

most places with those signs absolutely DO NOT have armed security! I'm heading out with the wife this afternoon and we've got 5 or 6 stops to make. I will count how many have signs and how many have or do not have armed guards. The grocery store we're going to I already know has a sign but no guard. The golf store also has a sign with no guard. We're going to buy a new car seat for grand daughter, probably from target. They have a sign too, but I've never seen a guard in target.
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Reply #20 - 05/24/18 at 12:45:20
 
WebsterMark wrote on 05/24/18 at 12:27:54:
oh, and most places with those signs, HAVE ARMED SECURITY! as I've said before

most places with those signs absolutely DO NOT have armed security! I'm heading out with the wife this afternoon and we've got 5 or 6 stops to make. I will count how many have signs and how many have or do not have armed guards. The grocery store we're going to I already know has a sign but no guard. The golf store also has a sign with no guard. We're going to buy a new car seat for grand daughter, probably from target. They have a sign too, but I've never seen a guard in target.



schools do, malls do..  but maybe you're right, fair enough
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Reply #21 - 05/24/18 at 13:06:11
 
LostArtist wrote on 05/24/18 at 11:57:54:
"... I've NEVER felt threatened IN MY ENTIRE LIFE..."

      Which Is it ????????

One place you say:
“…I don't speak any "crazy liberal" ideas in public where I am, I don't speak about politics in the open, I've seen the many, many, many bumper stickers and signs in the yard around my area. you might live in a moderate or even liberal area, but I DO NOT, and with the authoritarian attitude of the current administration and those that support him, I take no risks. …”
     AND   "...I do not talk politics in public. Even when I'm with my friends I get nervous when one of them brings up politics in public.  I don't need 10 conservatives jumping down my throat and screaming at me..."

You show you are, Afraid of, people to the Right of center.

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1526657609/73

HERE you say:
"... I've NEVER felt threatened IN MY ENTIRE LIFE..."

  Again, Exactly,  Which is it ?

     Oh  Oh,  Wait,     Forgot,
  it is Only, the, 'other' person !
"...PRO GUN NUTS, are hard nosed and uncompromising. They are by their NATURE, paranoid lil sh!ts..."






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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Reply #22 - 05/24/18 at 13:27:14
 
GUN NUTS, are hard nosed and uncompromising.

Knowing the difference between right and wrong does that.
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Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Reply #23 - 05/24/18 at 13:36:40
 
MnSpring wrote on 05/24/18 at 13:06:11:
LostArtist wrote on 05/24/18 at 11:57:54:
"... I've NEVER felt threatened IN MY ENTIRE LIFE..."

      Which Is it ????????

One place you say:
“…I don't speak any "crazy liberal" ideas in public where I am, I don't speak about politics in the open, I've seen the many, many, many bumper stickers and signs in the yard around my area. you might live in a moderate or even liberal area, but I DO NOT, and with the authoritarian attitude of the current administration and those that support him, I take no risks. …”
     AND   "...I do not talk politics in public. Even when I'm with my friends I get nervous when one of them brings up politics in public.  I don't need 10 conservatives jumping down my throat and screaming at me..."

You show you are, Afraid of, people to the Right of center.

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1526657609/73

HERE you say:
"... I've NEVER felt threatened IN MY ENTIRE LIFE..."

  Again, Exactly,  Which is it ?

     Oh  Oh,  Wait,     Forgot,
  it is Only, the, 'other' person !
"...PRO GUN NUTS, are hard nosed and uncompromising. They are by their NATURE, paranoid lil sh!ts..."



fair enough, you caught me using too much hyperbole.  

but the difference in the statements is, "threatened physically" vs my fear of being judged and ostracised and penalized socially and maybe financially

I've never felt threatened in a life and death sense just by living my life

but I'd rather not make myself a target, get my vehicle vandalized, food spit in, yelled at, etc... for speaking publicly. I still don't feel the need to carry a gun just in case...
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Reply #24 - 05/24/18 at 13:37:39
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/24/18 at 13:27:14:
GUN NUTS, are hard nosed and uncompromising.

Knowing the difference between right and wrong does that.


you've really become a cocky lil sh!t you know that...  mr. knowITall
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Reply #25 - 05/24/18 at 16:23:03
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/24/18 at 13:27:14:
GUN NUTS, are hard nosed and uncompromising.

Knowing the difference between right and wrong does that.



since you are so proud of knowing the difference between right and wrong, we'll put you in charge of making sure only the good guys get guns
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Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Reply #26 - 05/24/18 at 17:01:14
 
LostArtist wrote on 05/24/18 at 16:23:03:
 since you are so proud of knowing the difference between right and wrong, we'll put you in charge of making sure only the good guys get guns

WOW,  That would be Great,
 A  Whole lot better  than a  Troll or Muppet doing it.


Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Reply #27 - 05/24/18 at 17:20:41
 
LostArtist wrote on 05/24/18 at 11:57:54:
 "... oh, and most places with those signs, HAVE ARMED SECURITY! as I've said before


        No, they Don't, and you know it.

The tax Paying businesses, Have the Right to put up that, 'sign'.
I also have the, Right, to NOT  Spend any money their,
 And the Right to tell anyone who cares,
  I Carry a card I made up, it says:
 "You have to right to Not allow guns in here.
I have the Right Not to spend any money in here.
 I also have the right to tell whoever I wish,  
    you do not allow any guns in here"


About 15 years ago, when Minn adopted the 'right to carry'.
    (Despite the dire warning the snowflakes  made,
that their would be all sorts of catastrophes in the streets)

      Their was 4 business, in my local area.
         Their is now 1.   (With the, Sign !)

Just a suggestion. Perhaps some day off.
Un Lock one or more of your gun/s,
go to a gun range, and shoot a bit.
Get to know the people around you.

Perhaps even become part of a small competition.
 (My Opinion  a  Heck of a lot better than Golf)

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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Reply #28 - 05/24/18 at 19:02:58
 
Uncompromising people BUILT this country. Uncompromising people fought for principles to give us America.
There really is a right and wrong.
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Reply #29 - 05/25/18 at 04:11:32
 
It is sad it has gotten to this point. When I was younger there were no school shootings. Some people when to church and respected each other.
My uncle use to bring a rifle to school when he was young so he could check his traps on the way back from school. the teacher told him he could leave it out side the door.

I live in NJ, there is no chance to ever get a carry permit here. The laws on guns have gotten more restrictive and the crime rate does not seem to go down.
I would get carry permit if I could, not that I have any real desire to carry all the time, but there are times if I have to go down to Trenton or Camden a old snub nose would give just a slight bit of piece of mind.
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