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05/21/18 at 12:04:56
 

From CNN, and  B.O. Statements:


“…What is not disputed is that federal prosecutors bring far fewer cases against gun crimes than the amount of crime suggests they could….”
“…"Last I heard, the federal prosecution of gun crimes was like 40%. And what I mean by that is that there are people lying on these forms already, and we're not prosecuting them. So there's an issue there, right?" Kyle asked Obama.
Obama did not answer that specific point of her question,…”
“…"There was a peak of federal gun prosecutions under Bush in 2004, the laws have not changed since that point, and under the leadership of President Obama, there's been a 40% decline in federal gun prosecutions,”…”
“…In 2007, candidate Barack Obama said, "We know what to do. We’ve got to enforce the gun laws that are on the books."
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“…" Strong enforcement of existing gun laws has not been a priority. CNN's John Avlon writes, "before the Newtown shootings, the Obama administration had not made enforcement of existing guns laws a political or policy priority”…”
“…Ensuring, for example, that NICS has the mental health data that includes documentation of whether an individual has been involuntarily  committed, has strong bipartisan support. Yet state reporting of such data has a long way to go; 19 states have provided fewer than 100 records of individuals disqualified on mental health grounds since the implementation of NICS in the early 1990s. This should be a "no-brainer." A poll released in January 2010 showed 90% of gun owners’ support addressing such gaps. This is a prime example of not enforcing the existing laws, which candidate Obama said we need to do. This is where the administration is failing to “do enough.”…”
“…The Obama Administration Justice Department is also not strongly enforcing prosecutions of people who falsify information on their gun background checks. The FBI reported 71,000 instances of people lying on their background checks to buy guns in 2009. But the Justice Department prosecuted a mere 77 cases, or a fraction of 1%….”

Just in case you missed the very start.
      ALL  the above info/statements,
are from the, “Holy Grail’, of ’news’, for the Ultra-Liberals.


Lookie here !!!!!!http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-fbi-gun-background-check-sy... From, ANOTHER, anti-gunner’s, ‘Holy Grail”.
‘“…The FBI’s background-check system is missing millions of records of criminal convictions, mental illness diagnoses and other flags that would keep guns out of potentially dangerous hands, a gap that contributed to the shooting deaths of 26 people in a Texas church this week….” “…As the shooting at a Texas church on Sunday showed, what the FBI doesn’t know can get people killed.
…” “…"at least 25% of felony convictions . . . are not available" to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System maintained by the FBI….” “…


The Background Check.  YES  IT  DOES  EXIST, Despite H.R.C. LIES.
             Less Than .04% are Prosecuted filling out the 4473.
It is a Slam Dunk, they have committed a federal crime, they have Signed a form stating that they’re not prohibited, there’s data that they are prohibited, and the Dealer/Sales person, is a witness to fraud.
A federal audit showed that over  a two-year period, only 154 were prosecuted.  Huh? A program that employs 500 people and costs hundreds of millions of dollars to operate resulted in the prosecution of 154 cases in 2 years ???????
Also  over 25% of felony convictions are NOT  reported.
And What % of,  Violent Crimes and Mental Health cases are Not reported.
  (Not even the Ultra-Liberal, Holy Grails of ’news’, will even venture a ‘low-ball’, guess)

Will say it again,
 (Just for the Snowflakes)
 Enforce the laws that are ON  the Books !
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Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Reply #1 - 05/22/18 at 12:18:05
 
so, why aren't the laws being enforced???
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Reply #2 - 05/22/18 at 12:21:40
 
NRA
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Reply #3 - 05/22/18 at 12:29:14
 
This is an interesting take on it:

What American gun laws aren't being enforced?
https://www.quora.com/What-American-gun-laws-arent-being-enforced

"...Well, most of the folks who are flagged in this program (background checks) are not considered to actually be a danger to the public.  And the FBI says it doesn't have the resources to investigate all of them. "

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Reply #4 - 05/22/18 at 13:50:41
 
Serowbot wrote on 05/22/18 at 12:21:40:
NRA


It's not the NRA. it's the people who belong to the NRA. Big difference. The NRA is not an individual, it is an organization who responses to the demands of their membership.

Secondly, and this is important, the NRA doesn't give money to congressmen SO they'll vote their way, they give money to congressmen WHO already vote their way. If congressmen were so easily bought by the NRA, all they'd have to do is give money to Democrats and they'd never have a concern.

When the NRA is blamed for something, it's the ultimate red herring.
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Reply #5 - 05/22/18 at 13:51:23
 
LostArtist wrote on 05/22/18 at 12:29:14:
This is an interesting take on it:

What American gun laws aren't being enforced?
https://www.quora.com/What-American-gun-laws-arent-being-enforced

"...Well, most of the folks who are flagged in this program (background checks) are not considered to actually be a danger to the public.  And the FBI says it doesn't have the resources to investigate all of them. "



That's what happened in the Florida shooting for sure. Maybe others.
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Reply #6 - 05/22/18 at 13:59:58
 
NRA was a completely different entity before LaPierre took charge.
It's focus was on education, safety, and good common sense gun laws.
Today, it is purely political,... and resists any gun restrictions.

Gun owners and NRA members when asked are majority for common sense gun laws.
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Reply #7 - 05/22/18 at 14:29:09
 
I would say he responded in the manner appropriate to the situation he was facing.

I'm in favor of common sense gun control. What's common sense that I don't agree to?
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Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Reply #8 - 05/22/18 at 18:52:16
 
Common Sense gun laws.
Like
Common Sense
No Gun Zones..

I mean
It's only reasonable
IF it's Illegal to have a gun in a school
Then people who are intent
On KILLING PEOPLE
Just won't take them in the
No Gun Zone.

Maybe you can share your ideas about exactly what new Common Sense gun laws you want.
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Reply #9 - 05/23/18 at 14:12:20
 
Serowbot wrote on 05/22/18 at 13:59:58:
NRA was a completely different entity before LaPierre took charge. It's focus was on education, safety, and good common sense gun laws. Today, it is purely political,... and resists any gun restrictions. Gun owners and NRA members when asked are majority for common sense gun laws.


“… NRA was a completely different entity before LaPierre took charge….”
It is my actual, factual, knowledge, and experience,
that is not true.

“… majority for common sense gun laws….”
When the ultra-liberal polling companies, poll.
They call people, and use demographics, which the people they poll, are very unlikely to know, use, have, a gun, or know about them.

Here are typical questions:
  “Do you believe there should be a ‘Background Check’”
Most answer Yes.
Because they don’t know that one already exists, and for the last 8 years, it has been purposely downgraded.
 “Do you believe their should be regulations on who buys a gun”
Most answer Yes.
Because they don’t know what currently exists, and what it involves, and how, B.O. watered it down.
Leading questions.
Questions lacking correct information.
Questions, that out and out lie.
Are asked.
Then the ‘results’ are distributed to, ‘people’, who then repeat,
 Everyone, wants  Gun Control.
Which is a total  LIE.

 BTW,  NO  ONE,  not ONE, of the gun haters/banners,
Not here, not the stand in the street criers, not the, ’Ban’ talking heads.
Has Ever outlined, what their view of, ‘Common Sense Gun Laws’ are.
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Reply #10 - 05/23/18 at 21:35:22
 
WebsterMark wrote on 05/22/18 at 13:50:41:
Serowbot wrote on 05/22/18 at 12:21:40:
NRA


It's not the NRA. it's the people who belong to the NRA. Big difference. The NRA is not an individual, it is an organization who responses to the demands of their membership.

Secondly, and this is important, the NRA doesn't give money to congressmen SO they'll vote their way, they give money to congressmen WHO already vote their way. If congressmen were so easily bought by the NRA, all they'd have to do is give money to Democrats and they'd never have a concern.

When the NRA is blamed for something, it's the ultimate red herring.



who said anything about money??  

the NRA is a powerful lobbying organization that influences voters. They are influence makers. They use that influence over their members and supporters to control members of congress. There are lots of SINGLE issue voters, that issue is guns for some, and the NRA keeps them in line using fear, fear that any movement for gun control reform is a slippery slope to gun confiscation or repeal of the 2nd amendment.  

and the NRA uses propaganda just like every other organization or company to control their membership, you really think that the members lead the NRA, that's like believing the voters lead the USA.  


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Reply #11 - 05/23/18 at 21:44:01
 
WebsterMark wrote on 05/22/18 at 13:51:23:
LostArtist wrote on 05/22/18 at 12:29:14:
This is an interesting take on it:

What American gun laws aren't being enforced?
https://www.quora.com/What-American-gun-laws-arent-being-enforced

"...Well, most of the folks who are flagged in this program (background checks) are not considered to actually be a danger to the public.  And the FBI says it doesn't have the resources to investigate all of them. "



That's what happened in the Florida shooting for sure. Maybe others.


and the Texas church shooter, and did the Charleston church shooter's dad ever get prosecuted? or the Columbine parents?  Will Santa Fe's be prosecuted?  

conservatives say they want to be tough on crime.... unless it's straw purchasing guns apparently....
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Reply #12 - 05/23/18 at 22:32:58
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/22/18 at 18:52:16:
Common Sense gun laws.
Like
Common Sense
No Gun Zones..

I mean
It's only reasonable
IF it's Illegal to have a gun in a school
Then people who are intent
On KILLING PEOPLE
Just won't take them in the
No Gun Zone.

Maybe you can share your ideas about exactly what new Common Sense gun laws you want.


your fixation on these signs....  

anyway, sure, your point is taken, but seriously, most gun violence doesn't occur in "gun free zones" anyway, and the logical conclusion to your point is that no laws are needed cause bad people don't follow them anyway so why bother.  is that what you are really saying?

ANARCHY!!!!!!    cause why bother....  


so, common sense gun laws.  

I'm really not asking for much.

let's start getting the current laws and background check in actual working order. And maybe, I'm flexible on this, like with exceptions for family heirlooms and the like,  expand that to private sales as well.  

and some educational aspect added to buying a gun,

if you can force a woman considering abortion to view an ultrasound, or sit through some other "therapy" about the life of her potential child because life is so sacred to you, then you should't have a problem making a gun owner sit through a brief educational break-down of the responsibility of owning a gun, especially hand guns and "assault rifles" you know, those designed specifically for killing PEOPLE.  most law abiding people might even just laugh it off, but those that are straw buying for a criminal or buying with intent, might take a pause to think, maybe, giving them the benefit of the doubt here, just like you are giving the abortion seeking woman the benefit of the doubt.  And once you do it once, you can get a waiver so you don't have to do it again unless you are really amping up your buying game and buying something really outrageous, idk, I'm open to ideas on this, I just know that the current little background check questionaire they make you fill out is a joke and some gun dealers treat it as such and even help customers fill it out so they can make a sale. Let's have education be part of the solution here. let's have gun dealers take some responsibility, and reward them for it.

but let's start with getting the current background check system in actual working order instead of it being sued by the NRA (the NRA isn't actually suing but they are funding the lawsuits against it) and the NRA and it's supporters and their radio shows stoking fear about gun confiscation with every little suggestion of gun control.

I hear this slippery slope crap all the time, enough already.  

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Re:  Enforce laws ON the Books
Reply #13 - 05/24/18 at 07:42:43
 
LostArtist wrote on 05/23/18 at 22:32:58:
"... let's start with getting the current background check system in actual working order..."


       The above,  
Does Not, sound like,  ‘Ban’, and ‘Make More Laws’
                 It Sounds a lot like,
 ‘Enforce the Laws on the Books’
(Hmmmm,  where have I heard that before ?)
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Reply #14 - 05/24/18 at 08:23:40
 
LostArtist wrote on 05/23/18 at 22:32:58:
"... I hear this slippery slope crap all the time, enough already.  

A, ‘Slippery Slope’, is a phrase that is most known for it’s relationship to firearms/laws/freedom.

Yet,  ‘Slippery Slope’, Can and Has Been,
        very successful,
 in many other applications.

Now here is the the reason it is called,  ‘Slippery Slope’.
Ever Been on one ?   Ever Slid down one ?
Once you start, it is very hard to stop,
           Very  Hard.

So the term,  ‘Slippery Slope’,
       applying to  gun laws.
A  Liberal, pushes a Conservative,
 To the  ‘Slippery Slope’, and then they will
 ’Slide’ down rapidly.
Right down to the bottom, where  the Liberal want’s them.

And that is accomplished with terms like:
       ‘Common Sense Gun Laws’
So when the Ultra-Librals, believe they have DUPED  enough people.
With Their term, ‘Common Sense Gun Laws’,
Which WILL, Contain  absolutely  Draconian BAN ‘rules’.

If any one questions it, the Ultra-Liberls will Champion it,
calling it,  ‘Common Sense Gun Laws’,
and add, ‘Just Pass it, and read it later”.
 (Because they KNOW, that Line Works)

Just a tidbit for those that  Don't know.
 When Clinton First wrote the,
‘Common Sense Gun Law’
  BANNING  AR-15 and variants.

The First Bills, ALSO,  Completely BANNED,
a 2 barrel Shotgun, with One trigger.
AND, ALL,  Semi-Auto Shotguns.

But ya know, a ‘lobby’, stepped in,
and they had people that were firearm knowledgeable.
They, ‘Caught’,  those ’ ‘Slippery Slope’ laws.

Just like a bunch of, ‘Excavator Business’,
Hired a, ‘Lobby’, so that a, ‘Mound’ system was required.
A mound system cost a homeowner 4 times more,
and it cost the Excavator Less than a ‘old style’ system to install.
       (mound system treats backwater)

So perhaps now, some may understand,
 slippery slope, is NOT,  crap
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