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Reply #30 - 04/08/18 at 12:58:40
 
We are all Atheists...
I just have one more god that I don't believe in than you do.
Would you be interested in a system of laws based on Thor?... or Zeus?...
Better to keep these gods out of our legislation.
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Reply #31 - 04/08/18 at 12:58:42
 
Lawmakers are supposed to set their god aside when crafting laws.  It's when they don't that they get themselves in trouble.




So where does our moral law come from?
If it is just feelings there are many who started the gulags with feelings.
If we use science we find many easy ways to put problem people into ovens.
So where does science or feelings command. "thou shall not kill"
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Reply #32 - 04/08/18 at 13:01:00
 
Our morality is the thing that makes you disregard the Old Testament.
...or most of it.
How do Christians choose what to believe from that book?...
That is your moral compass doing the editing.  
If you don't have a moral compass,... if you can only distinguish right from wrong because someone tells you what to think,... you are a sociopath...
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Reply #33 - 04/08/18 at 13:09:01
 
The Bible is written for folks to read it to improve upon themselves.
Yes, many judge, just like you, because they fail to understand how scripture works.
Let’s take your stoning that YOU cherrypick, and fault believers, as selective....

I read it as such:

God talking now: “Raydog, you work too much, thinking that prosperity will provide for all your needs.
I tell you, that is not true.
For surely it will kill any relationship you have with others, if for nothing else, out of neglect.
You are putting your faith in something that can not provide you what you think it can.
You need to rest, to tend to life, relationships, and to set aside time to study/worship me (him).....
For if you do not heed my advice it will surely be as those who you claim to love and care for, will be like stoning you to death, slowly, stone by stone, day by day, as the relationship withers and dies....”

I don’t expect you to understand, I accept that, it’s your choice, you seem to be promoting yourself, in order to survive the moment.

Just thought I would set out a bucket of water, nothing more.
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Reply #34 - 04/08/18 at 13:12:19
 
Serowbot wrote on 04/08/18 at 13:01:00:
Our morality is the thing that makes you disregard the Old Testament.
...or most of it.
How do Christians choose what to believe from that book?...
That is your moral compass doing the editing.  
If you don't have a moral compass,... if you can only distinguish right from wrong because someone tells you what to think,... you are a sociopath...


So why is killing wrong?
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Reply #35 - 04/08/18 at 13:22:12
 
Serowbot wrote on 04/08/18 at 12:39:25:
Your brain must look like a pretzel...
Where do you get these ideas?... Is there a handbook or something that I'm not aware of?...


Please point out, where I do not have, ’correct’ information.

A, Agnostic/Atheist,  does, Not,  ’Not Believe’ ?
  (Please Correct)

A, Agnostic/Atheist,  does, Not believe, in  ’Not Believing’ ?
  (Please Correct)

A, Agnostic/Atheist,  does, Not believe, in any ‘afterlife’?
  (Please Correct)

So, History, of the U.S.S.R., Germany, China,
 (through their, ‘red’, ‘hitler’, ‘mao’, time)
And the ‘Hippie Communes’, in the US,
from mid 60’s to 70’s  (+/-)
did NOT  Happen ?
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Perhaps the word, ‘church’,  
describing the furthering of the ever changing,
education of the Agnostic/Atheist.
Or is it that the, Agnostic/Atheist’s,
  (All Around This Spaceship)
consider people that believe in any deities,
       to be inferior.
Is disturbing/upsetting you?

Don’t know.  Please Correct !

My Personal View, Don’t Give A $hit,
if someone ‘believes’, or not, or what they, ‘believe’, in or not.


What I DO, care about is when a group, who believes in a certain deity
tells me, that because if I, don’t believe in the SAME, deity.
        They will KILL ME.
Just the SAME, a someone telling me,
If I  don’t,  “NOT BELIEVE”,
     I am inferior to them.

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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Reply #36 - 04/08/18 at 13:24:36
 
Matchless G11 wrote on 04/08/18 at 13:12:19:
So why is killing wrong?

The better question is,.. Why is killing not wrong?...
Would it be wrong to kill a mass shooter on a killing spree in a school?...
The bible says "Thou shalt not kill"...
If you are literal,... you let the killer continue.
If you are moral... you stop him by any means necessary.

So, why is it wrong to kill?...
It is wrong to kill innocents... wrong to kill without justification.
Wrong to kill without morality.

Dawg,.. just implied that he interprets the Bible his own way.
This is based on his own moral compass...
I just choose to use my own moral compass without reinterpreting a rulebook to make it suit me.
No difference really.
So who needs the book?...
You still decide the same with the book or without it.
The book is nonsense.  
Religion as not created as a guidebook.  It was created as a means for ruling.
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Reply #37 - 04/08/18 at 13:29:14
 



It is wrong to kill innocents... wrong to kill without justification.

Why?


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Reply #38 - 04/08/18 at 13:32:19
 
The better question is,.. Why is killing not wrong?...
Would it be wrong to kill a mass shooter on a killing spree in a school?...
The bible says "Thou shalt not kill"...
If you are literal,... you let the killer continue.
If you are moral... you stop him by any means necessary.


Again, you're wrong. It doesn't say kill, it says murder. Those are two different things and that makes all the difference.
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Reply #39 - 04/08/18 at 14:19:31
 
WebsterMark wrote on 04/08/18 at 13:32:19:
Again, you're wrong. It doesn't say kill, it says murder. Those are two different things and that makes all the difference.


Who cares?... The point is, you navigate the Bible using your own personal moral compass.
I navigate life the same way,... without a Bible.



Matchless,.. killing is wrong because I don't want you to kill me.
Therefore,... I won't kill you.
"Do unto others..."
The Bible says so,.... but so does any civilized human that isn't a sociopath.
If you need a Bible to tell you that,...  ????  Huh
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Reply #40 - 04/08/18 at 15:51:19
 
Of course not, we need more gun laws
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Reply #41 - 04/08/18 at 16:16:33
 
raydawg wrote on 04/08/18 at 15:51:19:
Of course not, we need more gun laws

Jesus says so... Huh
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Reply #42 - 04/08/18 at 16:42:09
 
Serowbot wrote on 04/08/18 at 16:16:33:
raydawg wrote on 04/08/18 at 15:51:19:
Of course not, we need more gun laws

Jesus says so... Huh

Really,  Didn’t know that.
Bot, when did he tell you that ?

Do know, several others say,
more gun laws, AND, Banning.
Will stop ALL Crime.

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Reply #43 - 04/08/18 at 16:46:23
 
My moral compass is foundational upon scripture, you can not seperate that Bot, even tho you think folks of faith should set it aside deciding law...
You can’t, it is who you are, just as much a race, sexual orientation, gender, etc....
Just because you say YOU can, does not make it right for everyone.
You mentioned power earlier, indeed, you are right about that, the powerful would decide ALL laws, as historically white male landowners did at ONE TIME.
You can not blame the present, on the past, because it takes it ALL out of context, just as the OT is a precursor to the NT.

You dude, are the one who is inconsistent and cherry picking depending on what you need at the moment.
Just like your post about Tweeter and the dinner, etc....
Obama to this day slams FOX as why he couldn’t accomplish all his goals, and he wouldn’t go on the network either...

Own it, and let’s move on, just extend the same considerations to others that you demand.
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Reply #44 - 04/08/18 at 16:53:38
 
Yur so shmart, DaWg... Roll Eyes
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