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Reply #30 - 02/13/18 at 21:37:09
 
Any product you use should release by using about 500f degrees -260c)of heat (a min. or two with a torch,which won't begin to hurt metal).You might check around shops that rebuild motors ,and ask what product they use.
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Reply #31 - 02/13/18 at 23:00:54
 
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EDIT: I've just gone out to check the fitting again. This time I put the pulley on the spline and held the pulley still against the engine. Then I tried to turn spline drive shaft and was not able to move it clockwise/anticlockwise at all. This would tend to indicate that there is no need for any other substance here as it does not appear to be worn. I think before I was confusing the sideways movement of the pulley

Or should this have something like the loctite 620 retaining compound, even when the shaft and pulley are new?

technical Data: loctite 620 retaining compound
Typical applications: High temperature
Viscosity: 8,500cP
Cure Time: Fixture - 30 minutes Full - 24 hours
Max gap fill: 0.38 mm
Temperature resistance: 232C
Shear strength: 26N/mm2

More EDIT:

620 is hard to find but the 609 looks more available. It's recommended for pulleys and can take 150C so will be easier to get off. I'm just trying to find an actual shop that sells it so I don't have to wait for a week!
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Re: Orange crap spraying from front pully
Reply #32 - 02/14/18 at 02:32:15
 
Is it possible that this orange stuff is just anti-seize compound, overused by a previous owner ?  I have a can of it and it looks like the same color.
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Reply #33 - 02/14/18 at 11:02:06
 
You could be right the old anti-seize was copper colored ,and the lock washer is not stock Suzuki ,maybe a PO was there before ,and was silly enough to use it.
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Reply #34 - 02/14/18 at 13:50:19
 
I can say for certain that this bike is stock, it was 10 months old and only had 500 miles on it when I bought it. The owner bought it on a whim but hardly ever rode it. It just had cosmetic mods, i.e. removed decals and rear footpegs.

The threads did have orange stuff in them which I had to chase with a pin, it's not rust. Whatever it is, it's a factory job, but then I don't know how much assembling they do in Australia when they pull these out of the crates. I'll be picking up the parts today so I'll ask them about it. btw, found a shop that sells the loctite 609 right next door to the suzuki shop!

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You could be right the old anti-seize was copper colored ,and the lock washer is not stock Suzuki ,maybe a PO was there before ,and was silly enough to use it.
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Reply #35 - 02/14/18 at 14:13:45
 
was 10 months old and only had 500 miles on it when I bought it. The owner bought it on a whim but hardly ever rode it. It

I didn't see any antiseize on mine.
I can't imagine in that amount of time the P.O. pulled that nut and changed the washer AND found one to put on that engaged the shaft splines.
You can flatten the edge of the washer and get rid of the little bend on one edge of the washer and give it a slight bend that will make getting under it easier and orient it to make folding it up against the nut easy.
Was that belt Stupid tight
I don't understand how a seal could crap out in under a thousand miles.
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Reply #36 - 02/14/18 at 14:59:50
 
JoG,

I've ordered a new one anyway hoping for something that is a bit thinner like the ones I've seen here they do seem thinner but maybe not. We put as much milage on it in two weeks as it had in 10 months. So far it has 22,000kms after 18 months. So the seal lasted about 20K kms. Still that does seem a bit early.

BTW, you know the playing card on the spokes sound that you get when pushing the bike in neutral if the spline bolt is not done up to proper torque, well I was wondering what frazactly is causing that sound. Is it something to do with the teeth on the belt?
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Reply #37 - 02/14/18 at 15:34:08
 
The belt teeth have to fall into the pulley grooves and can make noise.
You can put Gulf canning wax on the belt and see if the sound changes.
Look for the canning supplies at the grocery store.
Or, talcum power or, foot powder would probably work.wouldn't want to get those wet, yukk.
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Reply #38 - 02/14/18 at 17:21:55
 
That washer looks like the current factory one - the early ones had flat edges. The crimp however doesn't look like any factory crimp that I have ever seen - but I have never seen what the factory does to the cupped version of the washer. (Maybe somebody else with a newer model can verify what the factor does with the newer style lock washer).

Since we are discussing belt tension....don't over do it. A bit loose is better than a bit tight. You should be able to twist the bottom side of the belt 90 degrees just using your thumb and index finger. The belt should not be so tight it vibrates like a banjo string......a little up/down movement is fine.
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Reply #39 - 02/14/18 at 17:42:50
 
Say what you will , the factory never used anything on the splines ,their a metal to metal fit ,and that is not a Suzuki Savage washer ,their perfectly flat ,with no lip of any kind , but isn't it "funny." that the washer on the Suzuki SV-650 does ! the PO was there before you ,and the parts counter guy heard Suzuki 650 and sold him the wrong one.
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Reply #40 - 02/14/18 at 18:20:52
 
I wonder why someone would be in there with so few miles..
But I sure can't argue with Adam West.

I'd clean and dry pulley and splines and test fit them.
Have you checked out the distortion at the top of the grooves on the pulley?
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Re: Orange crap spraying from front pully
Reply #41 - 02/14/18 at 18:28:57
 
batman wrote on 02/14/18 at 17:42:50:
that is not a Suzuki Savage washer ,their perfectly flat ,with no lip of any kind


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The newest version of the "factory" lock washer does have the curved lip.....the photo below shows what the factory Suzuki lock washer that I include with the machined pulleys looks like - the edges are curved and I believe they do that to make it easier to get the edge up so you can crimp the washer.  If you order a new lock washer for your Suzuki Savage.....this is the washer you will get.


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Reply #42 - 02/14/18 at 18:58:34
 
I did see that the part number had changed, and likely because of the lip ,but are the two washer the same thickness ,why was the washer on his bike so hard to bend flat against the nut? why are there marks on the face of his pulley from getting it off? or I maybe nuts? maybe the lip makes them harder to bend.
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Reply #43 - 02/14/18 at 22:06:37
 
JoG, yes cleaned everything and dried, all looks good pulley goes on nice, got the 609 Loctite and while I probably can get away without it I may as well put a bit on, it releases at 150C and the bearing and gear specialist shop I got it from said it would be good for the pulley and splines.

New washer is the same, as mentioned already. Gonna assemble it all now.

BTW check out the line on the washer side of the pulley which matches the line on the washer! It looks like the line is cast on the pulley and transferred to the washer as it's more pronounced on the pulley.

I can say the OP definitely never opened this up, in fact I'm pretty sure he never opened up the plastic cap on the tire valves! seeing as it was at 18lb when I bought it. No wonder it was handling like a pig on the way home.




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Reply #44 - 02/15/18 at 00:07:22
 

Got the seal and spacer in but it's too dark to finish tonight. I'm not able to push the back wheel very far forward so this could still be tricky for me to get the pulley on.

Any tips on the best way to do this, I assume that it's best to have the belt on the back pulley first and then put the front pulley on with the belt attached. Is this the right way to do this? Or is it best to have the belt over the front and remove the rear wheel axle?

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