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New Telescopes mean seeing new stuff
02/06/18 at 09:11:25
 

https://futurism.com/discovered-72-galaxies-alien-worlds/

This means brand new Galaxies (72 at current count) ......

Seeing yet Further back in Time (the Big Bang is getting debated all over again because we can now see back further now  --  past the time the Big Bang theoretically occured)




And the news of the week -- Planets are seen in other galaxies for the first time

https://futurism.com/first-time-ever-scientists-found-alien-worlds-another-ga...



 click it, it is a YouTube             https://youtu.be/emNAxv8_aXU          click it, it is a YouTube
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Is that a link to a YouTube?
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Reply #2 - 02/06/18 at 13:42:35
 
They talk of using this new technology to expand the search for life.
They do not understand that their search for life is misdirected.
There is only ONE life for which we are to search, and He is God.

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"Turn to me and be saved, all the ends of the earth;  for I am God, and there is no other."
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It's missionary work.   Wink
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They're using Earthbound scopes and they can get those images through the atmosphere? I thought only something outside the atmosphere could accomplish anything close to that.
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Reply #5 - 02/07/18 at 01:19:42
 
@oldfeller, Seeing yet Further back in Time (the Big Bang is getting debated all over again because we can now see back further now  --  past the time the Big Bang theoretically occured)


There's no such thing as 'before' the BB, seeing as that was the beginning of SpaceTime. We can't even 'see' further back than the CMBr, unless we are able to get neutrino telescopes working.

Here's a good site for sciencey stuff https://phys.org
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Reply #6 - 02/07/18 at 02:27:11
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMr7vaJJXGI      its a YouTube, so click on it and watch it

As they peer deeper into the various Deep Field "empty spots" with better orbital telescopes and new Muse ground combined light and radio telescope techniques, they are seeing things that ARE MUCH MUCH further away (and project much much further back in time based on the speed of light) than they had originally calculated the big bang origin time to be (based upon a constant expansion coefficient and a constant speed of light).    

They now know that the expansion coefficient is variable and suspect that the speed of light may actually change slightly due to matter density and that the rate of expansion of space time can take place at rates of millions of times the speed of light.

The original Deep Field has been joined by 6 other places where you can peer in deep -- in diametrically different directions too.  Thus, the size of Everything has increased by several whole multiple thousands of times just lately.    The killer is that the better eyes still see the same density of stuff out there still, so that is pushing back the thought that they were seeing infant galaxies that are just barely pre-bang ---- and the scientists are sorta unhappy at seeing Big Bang Theory disrupted like that.   They liked the Big Bang, it was all neat and all inclusive -- but it was just wrong just like many other theories.

This is forcing thoughts on 1) its all been around much longer than we thought before  2) speed of expansion is INCREASING as the expansion density is decreasing or mebbe the speed of light constant can vary based on the changes in the general curvature of space getting different as "star density" decreases due to expansion or 3) we need some sort of new type of Big Bang theory that better fits all these new facts.    

They are beginning to say that space-time itself expanded much much faster than the speed of light very early on, and it is still clocking expansion rates far greater than the speed of light out at the edges of things.

And on top of that, space time is folded like a blanket, multiple layers of folds.   With black holes (worm holes) going in between the layers.    They are still looking for a puking exit hole as they see lots and lots and lots and lots of entry holes but no exit holes.

And yup, dark matter and dark energy are still just a set of theoretical fudges created to make it all work out mathematically, nobody has ever really found any "dark matter" nor even any dark particles and they can't even agree on what dark energy supposedly does.    The big colliders have failed to make a single particle or wave or anything "dark matter" related.

Gravity isn't considered a simple force any more, it is local changes in the curvature of space-time.  This is why Gravitational Lens effects take place on light from stacked stars is bent by the near star and you can use that to see the little sub-bumps that are the planets "little bitty gravitational lens effects".

Gravitational lensing is not new, it has been around a while.   It is being used to detect planets around stars that can already be seen by existing telescopes.   Now that the gravitational lensing trick can be computer automated to look repeatedly at all known "stacked stars" they are scanning the near galaxies for earthlike planets orbiting these stacked stars as "first stops to go to" once we have a good enough way to get there.   We have found 10s of thousands of various size and distance planets orbiting the known stacked stars and have found 11 planets  so far that are inside the Goldilocks Zone (habitable temp zones) that also give a hydrogen/nitrogen/oxygen/carbon primary content signature to their light.    They think hydrogen/oxygen at that temperature can mean liquid water, and oxygen that is free from nitrogen and carbon means some form of life is separating them as it metabolizes.

Guys, remember back when we were in elementary school?    9 planets around our own sun was it, we were missing an entire bottom row off the periodic table, 2-4 galaxies existed in space making up a universe of known finite size?  Known age of everything, 5.4 13.78 billion years since the Big Bang ????

During our lifetimes we have watched the huge debate about Big Bang vs Constant Expanding/Contracting Universe "resolved" by use of better telescopes, now new techniques and better/bigger scopes both on the ground and in space have opened all these settled debates back up with brand new information that busts up the current "settled thoughts".

Scientists say now that it takes the energy and "time to develop" of very old exploding stars (nova strength or better) to make up some of the elements that are found on earth, so we personally are made up of stuff (carbon, nitrogen, oxygen) that has gone through at least one or two stellar generations.   The gold in my wedding band is a post supernova residue ..... the really big stars pop really really hard when they age out and most of the goodies produced goes down the black hole that instantly forms anyway (and where exactly does that down the black hole matter go, ie how did my gold get recycled?).

I can remember age of the universe being pegged at 5.4 13.77 billion years since Big Bang and that idea has just been plain contradicted by so many things we have found out since then that the age has gotten changed twice.

IT IS ALL BASED ON WHAT SCIENTISTS THINK and they are constantly having to rethink things based upon what they now know "post discovery".  

Human "knowledge" is expanding by doubling every 3 years and I think it expands again by replacement due to new theories being proposed and accepted every 20-50 years.

Newtonian Physics (gravity as a force) is now totally disproven and has been replaced by curved space effects.   Light was a wave, now it is a quanta of energy that can behave like a wave or like a particle, depending on circumstances (like how you are detecting it).

Current Example:   LENR is stumbling across new radiation and electromagnetic "strange effects" that can cause steel and aluminum to soften and change over relatively short distances and over short periods of near exposure and go right through lead and other dense materials like they are not there.   Effects are distance controlled though, they don't propagate very far.   Questions and more questions -- propagate through WHAT exactly?  How?  Like Gravity and Magnetism, the new strange effects stuff is inverse square law distance limited apparently.

Think of poor Marie Curie and how she found out about the effects of radioactive emissions from radium, the hard way.   Both she and Rossi have had to wear a wig in public towards the end because their hair all fell out .....

The Hadron Collider people are saying to the Rossi experimenters "You found WHAT ???  That effect requires electron beam strengths of xxx,000,000 joules to create in the Large Hadron chamber and you are seeing it on a table top in your garage using wall socket power ?????    You sir, are nuts ...."

Science is constantly being disrupted now-a-days and all the old gray beards who run the universities and major labs are resisting all this change just as much as they can, as they are becoming mentally "out of date/ignorant" yearly and their egos simply can't take it.   Their august positions are also at risk from forced retirement due to "not being up to current knowledge standards" and they don't like that idea at all either .....

Undecided

Always Remember, AC power can't possibly work because the electrons just jiggle back and forth and they don't go very far in their jiggle motions.   AC is really only useful for electrocuting old circus elephants.   Those bicycle shop boys are nuts, that thing can NEVER fly.   Sure, its safe to let the kids follow close behind the mosquito fogger truck on their bicycles, it's just a very dilute mist of water, DDT and some Chlordane -- much lighter than what you spray on your apple tree or your vegetable gardens.    Lighter than a can of Raid by a long shot, them skeeters are really easy to kill compared to a cockroach .....

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Reply #7 - 02/24/18 at 18:01:09
 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2018/02/23/if-the-universe-is-13...

If The Universe Is 13.8 Billion Years Old, How Can We See 46 Billion Light Years Away in all directions?  (an effective diameter of 92 Billion Light Years limited only by our current telescopes)

There are a few fundamental facts about the Universe — its origin, its history, and what it is today — that are awfully hard to wrap your head around. One of them is the Big Bang, or the idea that the Universe began a certain time ago: 13.8 billion years ago to be precise -- a number we now know to be wrong. That's the first moment we can describe the Universe as we know it to be today: full of matter and radiation, and the ingredients that would eventually grow into stars, galaxies, planets and human beings. So how far away can we see? You might think, in a Universe limited by the speed of light, that would be 13.8 billion light years: the age of the Universe multiplied by the speed of light. But 13.8 billion light years is far too small to be the right answer. In actuality, we can now see for 46 billion light years in all directions with current telescopes, for a total diameter of 92 billion light years.

Read the article and get your mind expanded past your boggle point.

So, the Big Bang Size/Age of the Universe Theory has been mortally wounded by multiple brand new telescopes and "the age of everything" is being completely reviewed right now, leading to two very major "conflicting" Dark Matter and Dark Energy fudge factors and three (3) very different big bang replacement theories.

The simplest theory of the 3 new ones (which BTW jives with new knowledge that much of the matter that makes people up [carbon, nitrogen, etc] needed to be born in a nova or a supernova explosion) is that 1) the Universe is much much much bigger than we ever imagined and 2) the Universe much much much older than we ever imagined.

Microscopic Life likely was out in the dust clouds all along from ages immoral and Life has rained down on the earth with small ocean bound inbound meteorites all along.   This jives with the "styles of life" seen at deep ocean vents and us, up on the top of things.   Lots of different styles of seed life coming in all the time, hey all they need is to find a good spot for their style of life and they jest take off ....

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Forbes is the first news group to really report in detail on this latest cosmic theory "re-do" but this current generation of people joins us old-timers in the "it was all different when I was a kid" syndrome.



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Space life now recognized as existing here on Earth

https://gizmodo.com/genes-hold-the-key-to-the-water-bears-indestructibility-1...





Tardigrades are strangely adorable microscopic creatures that are capable of withstanding some of the worst that nature can throw at them. Classified as “extremophiles,” they can survive freezing, total dehydration, radiation, and even the vacuum of space. Tardigrades are an ancient species that diverged from ancestral animals back in the pre-Cambrian period (~600 million years ago), and likely evolved their own unique genes over a protracted period of time.

Read the article -- it has novel combination of the characteristics of plants, animals, fungi, bacteria and viruses.   It has newly recognized characteristics that geneticists are eager to transplant into other plants and animals.   And yes, it can survive the radiation levels and solar winds of deep space and no one has found a limit to how long it can stay alive when incysted (it actually bends our definition of alive when incysted).

And scientists keep finding their tough little corpses in deep bore cores going back to the origins of life here on Earth .....   Roll Eyes



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Reply #8 - 02/24/18 at 18:39:53
 
https://www.itsokaytobesmart.com/post/80070750453/eat-your-tardigrades-or-you...



You know this little guy, right? It’s the mighty tardigrade, as featured in the new Cosmos. Tardigrades, also known as water bears, also known as FREAKIN’ MOSS PIGLETS, are microscopic eight-legged animals that can withstand temperatures from near absolute zero to boiling water, absorb extreme doses of radiation, go without food or water for ten years, and even survive the vacuum of space. They can even be completely dried out and ride on the wind to a new home, where they rehydrate and go about their tardibusiness. Tardigrade rain, folks.

In other words, they are BAMFs (bad-ass microfauna).

Oh, and you’ve probably eaten them. Thanks to Meg Lowman, I found out that these water-dwelling super-critters live not only on wild mosses and wet plants, but on grocery store produce like lettuce and spinach. Do you think that a mere rinse or shake under the faucet (or even cooking) is enough to dislodge a radiation-eating space pig? Ha! Not by a long shot, according to Lowman.

So yeah… trying to go strictly vegetarian? You’ve almost certainly eaten some tardigrades. Sorry. Don’t worry, though. They’re totally harmless. I like to imagine that when I eat them, I absorb their power, and become a little bit mightier.

New motto: For strength, eat your vegetables and eat your tardigrades.



Boiling water won't kill them ......   They are in every salad bar in the country ......  

...... a huge meteor hitting the earth and boiling off all the oceans would just toss tardigrades out into space where they would incyst and go dormant.



http://www.astronoo.com/en/news/tardigrade.html

Waterbears can be immortal. The tardigrades or water bears are tiny animals, between 0.1 mm and 1.5 mm, and multicellular invertebrates. The cub of water the tardigrade name means "slow walker" is named by Lazzaro Spallanzani in 1777. ... However, some of these animals have managed to "repair" themselves to survive.



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https://www.sciencealert.com/the-tardigrade-genome-has-been-sequenced-and-it-...

Scientists have sequenced the entire genome of the tardigrade, AKA the water bear, for the first time. And their results suggest that this weird little creature has the most foreign genes of any animal studied so far – or to put it another way, roughly one-sixth of the tardigrade's genome was stolen from other species. We have to admit, we're kinda not surprised.

A little background here for those who aren’t familiar with the strangeness that is the tardigrade – the microscopic water creature grows to just over 1 mm on average, and is the only animal that can survive in the harsh environment of space. It can also withstand temperatures from just above absolute zero to well above the boiling point of water, can cope with ridiculous amounts of pressure and radiation, and can live for more than 10 years without food or water. Basically, it's nearly impossible to kill, and now scientists have shown that its DNA is just as bizarre as it is.

So what's foreign DNA and why does it matter that tardigrades have so much of it? The term refers to genes that have come from another organism via a process known as horizontal gene transfer, as opposed to being passed down through traditional reproduction.

Horizontal gene transfer occurs in humans and other animals occasionally, usually as a result of gene swapping with viruses, but to put it into perspective, most animals have less than 1 percent of their genome made up of foreign DNA. Before this, the rotifer – another microscopic water creature – was believed to have the most foreign genes of any animal, with 8 or 9 percent.

But the new research has shown that approximately 6,000 of the tardigrade’s genes come from foreign species, which equates to around 17.5 percent.

“We had no idea that an animal genome could be composed of so much foreign DNA,” said study co-author Bob Goldstein, from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. “We knew many animals acquire foreign genes, but we had no idea that it happens to this degree.”

So where is the tardigrade getting all its genes from? The foreign DNA comes primarily from bacteria, but also from plants, fungi, and Archaea. And it’s this incredible variety of genes that researchers suggest has allowed the water bear to survive in such extreme conditions.

“Animals that can survive extreme stresses may be particularly prone to acquiring foreign genes – and bacterial genes might be better able to withstand stresses than animal ones,” said one of the researchers, Thomas  Boothby.

The team hasn't investigated exactly how this gene-stealing is happening just yet, but they propose that it's a result of one of the tardigrade's other crazy survival mechanisms – the ability to dry out until its body is less than 3 percent water, and then come bounce back once they're rehydrated.

When this desiccation happens, scientists know that their DNA breaks down into tiny pieces. They also know that when their cells rehydrate, there's a point in time when the cell nucleus is leaky, allowing DNA and other molecules to pass through. That means that while the tardigrade is quickly patching up its own genome, it may accidentally be stitching in another organism's genes.



Twist your Mind time ..... Run this backwards and think of tardigrades as outer space somethings that everything eats that can transfer genetic material across species.   And the junk portion of its DNA apparently does some things we have no friggin' clue as to what those things are or what they actually do or where the heck they came from .....

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Reply #9 - 02/24/18 at 19:18:13
 

And what does this all mean?

God is a lot bigger and his creation is a lot more complex than any sheep herder could ever comprehend or communicate .....   even when God took the time and broke it down small for his prophets they had no words or concepts for what they were being shown.   This includes very educated genius level folks like Daniel, who was very likely the smartest guy alive at the time.

And this holds true still for our best buzz brains of today ......

It still all points to God, and his creation is amazing, really amazing.
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I think there is something that you do not understand.

The universe is 6000 years old! It says so in the bible.

And if you believe that-- you know the bridge story don't you. Grin
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Reply #11 - 02/24/18 at 22:09:04
 

The morning and the evening of the first day ......

The morning and the evening of the first period of time ......

Moses wrote in the words that he had, to explain what he was shown.   He did the best he could do with what he had to work with.   Books have been written paralleling the Big Bang with Moses's Creation timeline, transposing billions of years for days.

Moses was the educated foster son of a Pharaoh, who then spent most of his life herding sheep in the desert speaking a fairly primitive form of Hebrew in which he wrote the Book of Genesis.

Now they are saying much of the expansion of the Universe and the actual formation of matter from energy took place inside the first hours after the Big Bang.

Then there was a thick soup (or sea) of sub-particles and stuff formed that had to expand and cool off before atoms of hydrogen could form and this took a while to happen .....

Then this thin vapor of matter was slowly condensed by gravity and suns were formed .....  suns that lit up, grew old and blew up.  Repeatedly.   Reforming from the dust of the last set of stars and some new hydrogen that was out floating free in space.

And Man eventually was formed from the dust of the earth --- stardust ---  carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, calcium, iron and various other heavier forms of stardust that came from the bigger supernovas.

You want to see some stardust, look at your hand -- pure quill stardust.

Your real issue is with the timelines involved, not the creator or the creation.

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norm92de wrote on 02/24/18 at 20:36:03:
I think there is something that you do not understand.

The universe is 6000 years old! It says so in the bible.

And if you believe that-- you know the bridge story don't you. Grin



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Romans 1:18-22, 25

18-22  For God’s holy wrath and indignation are revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who in their wickedness repress and hinder the truth.  For that which is known about God is evident to them and made plain in their inner consciousness, because God Himself has shown it to them.  For ever since the creation of the world His invisible nature and attributes, that is, His eternal power and divinity, have been made intelligible and clearly discernible in and through the things that have been made. So men are without excuse, altogether without any defense or justification, because when they knew and recognized Him as God, they did not honor and glorify Him as God or give Him thanks. But instead they became futile and godless in their thinking with vain imaginings, foolish reasoning, and stupid speculations, and their senseless minds were darkened.  Claiming to be wise, they became fools and they made simpletons of themselves.....
25 Because they exchanged the truth of God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, Who is blessed forever! Amen.





Some followup questions:  

DNA is a coil-like structure of thousands of genes, and each gene made up of only 4 components...just 4.  So who came up with the idea for that and arranged them in such a manner ?
It is a rather complex arrangement, yes ?

How many forms of life are there ?  Does anyone know?
Aren't they finding new ones every day ?  
From single cell amoeba to this multi cell "water pig" (cute little feller) to human beings ... did they really just form from the dust of space arbitrarillly ?

And where did space come from ?
Where did the elements of which assorted atoms throughout all space are made come from ?
Who formed and then lit the fires in trillions of stars ?
What force holds all the protons in a nucleus of an atom together ?
They are all positively charged particles and should be repelling each other with an enormous force, so what holds them ?
Think of what happens when some of those atoms are cracked open...think hydrogen bomb...very small amount of matter yields a H U G E  release of energy.  
How many atoms are in the entire universe ?
What kind of power is required to hold the universe together, every second of every day, from the day they were created.
What would happen if whoever is holding things together decided to release that hold ?
That would be a VERY BIG BANG.

Where did YOU come from ?  Who put breath in your lungs ?
Who started your heart beating when you were the size of a large pea ?
Where did your soul come from ?  Your spirit ?

Have you ever considered these kinds of things ?
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I'd sure like to spend time with you. You explore existential questions without allowing anything you've been Told to hold you back. You allow the mysteries to inspire your curiosity.
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