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NUNES dogsh!t memo    part 1
02/03/18 at 02:52:52
 
here's a link to the whole thing, that you can copy and paste from.  

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/read-the-full-text-of-th...

this does not have the first 2 pages of ass kissing by the White House it's declaration of why they think it's important to release this memo, more lies actually but again, not included here.


I'll start the copy and paste in the next post.  
 

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Reply #1 - 02/03/18 at 02:54:52
 
January 18, 2018

To: HPSCI Majority Members

From: HPSCI Majority Staff

Subject: Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Abuses at the Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigation

Purpose

This memorandum provides Members an update on significant facts relating to the Committee’s ongoing investigation into the Department of Justice (DOJ) and Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and their use of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) during the 2016 presidential election cycle. Our findings, which are detailed below, 1) raise concerns with the legitimacy and legality of certain DOJ and FBI interactions with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC), and 2) represent a troubling breakdown of legal processes established to protect the American people from abuses related to the FISA process.

Investigation Update

On October 21, 2016, DOJ and FBI sought and received a FISA probable cause order (not under Title VII) authorizing electronic surveillance on Carter Page from the FISC. Page is a U.S. citizen who served as a volunteer advisor to the Trump presidential campaign. Consistent with requirements under FISA, the application had to be first certified by the Director or Deputy Director of the FBI. It then required the approval of the Attorney General, Deputy Attorney General (DAG), or the Senate-confirmed Assistant Attorney General for the National Security Division.

The FBI and DOJ obtained one initial FISA warrant targeting Carter Page and three FISA renewals from the FISC. As required by statute (50 U.S.C. §,1805(d)(l)), a FISA order on an American citizen must be renewed by the FISC every 90 days and each renewal requires a separate finding of probable cause. Then-Director James Comey signed three FISA applications in question on behalf of the FBI, and Deputy Director Andrew McCabe signed one. Then-DAG Sally Yates, then-Acting DAG Dana Boente, and DAG Rod Rosenstein each signed one or more FISA applications on behalf of DOJ.

Due to the sensitive nature of foreign intelligence activity, FISA submissions (including renewals) before the FISC are classified. As such, the public’s confidence in the integrity of the FISA process depends on the court’s ability to hold the government to the highest standard—particularly as it relates to surveillance of American citizens. However, the FISC’s rigor in protecting the rights of Americans, which is reinforced by 90-day renewals of surveillance orders, is necessarily dependent on the government’s production to the court of all material and relevant facts. This should include information potentially favorable to the target of the FISA application that is known by the government. In the case of Carter Page, the government had at least four independent opportunities before the FISC to accurately provide an accounting of the relevant facts. However, our findings indicate that, as described below, material and relevant information was omitted.


1) The “dossier” compiled by Christopher Steele (Steele dossier) on behalf of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the Hillary Clinton campaign formed an essential part of the Carter Page FISA application. Steele was a longtime FBI source who was paid over $160,000 by the DNC and Clinton campaign, via the law firm Perkins Coie and research firm Fusion GPS, to obtain derogatory information on Donald Trump’s ties to Russia.

a) Neither the initial application in October 2016, nor any of the renewals, disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding Steele’s efforts, even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior DOJ and FBI officials.

b) The initial FISA application notes Steele was working for a named U.S. person, but does not name Fusion GPS and principal Glenn Simpson, who was paid by a U.S. law firm (Perkins Coie) representing the DNC (even though it was known by DOJ at the time that political actors were involved with the Steele dossier). The application does not mention Steele was ultimately working on behalf of—and paid by—the DNC and Clinton campaign, or that the FBI had separately authorized payment to Steele for the same information.

2) The Carter Page FISA application also cited extensively a September 23, 2016, Yahoo News article by Michael Isikoff, which focuses on Page’s July 2016 trip to Moscow. This article does not corroborate the Steele dossier because it is derived from information leaked by Steele himself to Yahoo News. The Page FISA application incorrectly assesses that Steele did not directly provide information to Yahoo News. Steele has admitted in British court filings that he met with Yahoo News—and several other outlets—in September 2016 at the direction of Fusion GPS. Perkins Coie was aware of Steele’s initial media contacts because they hosted at least one meeting in Washington D.C. in 2016 with Steele and Fusion GPS where this matter was discussed.

a) Steele was suspended and then terminated as an FBI source for what the FBI defines as the most serious of violations—an unauthorized disclosure to the media of his relationship with the FBI in an October 30, 2016, Mother Jones article by David Corn. Steele should have been terminated for his previous undisclosed contacts with Yahoo and other outlets in September—before the Page application was submitted to the FISC in October—but Steele improperly concealed from and lied to the FBI about those contacts.

b) Steele’s numerous encounters with the media violated the cardinal rule of source handling—maintaining confidentiality—and demonstrated that Steele had become a less than reliable source for the FBI.

3) Before and after Steele was terminated as a source, he maintained contact with DOJ via then-Associate Deputy Attorney General Bruce Ohr, a senior DOJ official who worked closely with Deputy Attorneys General Yates and later Rosenstein. Shortly after the election, the FBI began interviewing Ohr, documenting his communications with Steele. For example, in September 2016, Steele admitted to Ohr his feelings against then-candidate Trump when Steele said he “was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being president.” This clear evidence of Steele’s bias was recorded by Ohr at the time and subsequently in official FBI files—but not reflected in any of the Page FISA applications.


a) During this same time period, Ohr’s wife was employed by Fusion GPS to assist in the cultivation of opposition research on Trump. Ohr later provided the FBI with all of his wife’s opposition research, paid for by the DNC and Clinton campaign via Fusion GPS. The Ohrs’ relationship with Steele and Fusion GPS was inexplicably concealed from the FISC.

4) According to the head of the FBI’s counterintelligence division, Assistant Director Bill Priestap, corroboration of the Steele dossier was in its “infancy” at the time of the initial Page FISA application. After Steele was terminated, a source validation report conducted by an independent unit within FBI assessed Steele’s reporting as only minimally corroborated. Yet, in early January 2017, Director Comey briefed President-elect Trump on a summary of the Steele dossier, even though it was—according to his June 2017 testimony—“salacious and unverified.” While the FISA application relied on Steele’s past record of credible reporting on other unrelated matters, it ignored or concealed his anti-Trump financial and ideological motivations. Furthermore, Deputy Director McCabe testified before the Committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steele dossier information.

5) The Page FISA application also mentions information regarding fellow Trump campaign advisor George Papadopoulos, but there is no evidence of any cooperation or conspiracy between Page and Papadopoulos. The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016 by FBI agent Pete Strzok. Strzok was reassigned by the Special Counsel’s Office to FBI Human Resources for improper text messages with his mistress, FBI Attorney Lisa Page (no known relation to Carter Page), where they both demonstrated a clear bias against Trump and in favor of Clinton, whom Strzok had also investigated. The Strzok/Lisa Page texts also reflect extensive discussions about the investigation, orchestrating leaks to the media, and include a meeting with Deputy Director McCabe to discuss an “insurance” policy against President Trump’s election.
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Re: NUNES dogsh!t memo    part 1
Reply #2 - 02/03/18 at 02:59:17
 
now this is how it works

pick the section or line you want to comment on, copy JUST THAT SECTION, control/command C people, then paste that into the reply box control.command V, then make your comment.

UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES  quote the full memo text. IF ANYONE DOES THAT, I GIVE ANY MODERATOR THE BLESSING TO DELETE THIS WHOLE FREAKING THING, NOT JUST THAT POST, EVERY REPLY AND POST, THIS WHOLE THREAD.
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Reply #3 - 02/03/18 at 03:24:07
 
Out of the last 35,000 FISA applications only 12 have been refused.

The following single line defeats the whole premise of the memo...The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016 by FBI agent Pete Strzok.

Strzok, was also the one who ended up shafting Hilary Clinton just before the election, which also undercuts the memo's implications.

The entire episode is weird and ultimately the truth will come out in the end regarding Trump's treasonous (as Bannon said)  behaviour.
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Re: NUNES dogsh!t memo    part 1
Reply #4 - 02/03/18 at 03:29:08
 


" 1) raise concerns with the legitimacy and legality of certain DOJ and FBI interactions with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC), and 2) represent a troubling breakdown of legal processes established to protect the American people from abuses related to the FISA process."

this is in the first paragraph.

First, concerns about FISA being abused has been a concern of many for quite awhile, thank you Republicans for finally waking up to this. I know it's easy to ignore the abuses when they are going after those "terrorists" you all fear so much.  

the FISA courts are like grand jury's only for intelligence instead of indictments for state/local DA's

so thank you for finally paying attention.  

now maybe, and I know I'm wishing on a star here, maybe you all will start thinking about how that all trickles down to local police and government.

now with that aside

so, this whole thing is over the RENEWAL of a FISA warrant for Carter Page. Page himself admits to being a "deal maker" in Russia, so when he gets involved in an AMERICAN campaign for president, yeah, maybe if he contacts Russia we might want to know if there's any there there.  does that violate privacy rights, maybe, but you do it for terrorists to keep us safe, well, Russians aren't much better



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Reply #5 - 02/03/18 at 06:20:14
 
A fairly long, but pretty accurate and well reasoned exposition of what the memo means, and who is liable to step in the dogshit.

Le's all keep in mind that we are talking about the FBI here. An institution with a pretty long and well documented history of abusing it's power at the expense of American citizens for political reasons.



http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/456084/nunes-memo-fbi-doj-corruption-tic...
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Re: NUNES dogsh!t memo    part 1
Reply #6 - 02/03/18 at 06:22:30
 
FormerlyLostArtist wrote on 02/03/18 at 02:59:17:
now this is how it works

pick the section or line you want to comment on, copy JUST THAT SECTION, control/command C people, then paste that into the reply box control.command V, then make your comment.

UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES  quote the full memo text. IF ANYONE DOES THAT, I GIVE ANY MODERATOR THE BLESSING TO DELETE THIS WHOLE FREAKING THING, NOT JUST THAT POST, EVERY REPLY AND POST, THIS WHOLE THREAD.


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Re: NUNES dogsh!t memo    part 1
Reply #7 - 02/03/18 at 06:51:24
 
oldNslow wrote on 02/03/18 at 06:20:14:
A fairly long, but pretty accurate and well reasoned exposition of what the memo means, and who is liable to step in the dogshit.

Le's all keep in mind that we are talking about the FBI here. An institution with a pretty long and well documented history of abusing it's power at the expense of American citizens for political reasons.



http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/456084/nunes-memo-fbi-doj-corruption-tic...





"On various later occasions, high FBI officials purportedly admitted to the congressional inquirers both that the FISA requests would not have been made without use of the dossier, and yet its contents could not be verified or in fact were scarcely yet scrutinized."

this statement in the article is actually up for dispute and until we get the actual transcript of said inquiry, skepticism says to dismiss this


"Is this a Scandal?

If all this is not a scandal — then the following protocols are now considered permissible in American electoral practice and constitutional jurisprudence: An incumbent administration can freely use the FBI and the DOJ to favor one side in a presidential election, by buying its opposition research against the other candidate, using its own prestige to authenticate such a third-party oppositional dossier, and then using it to obtain court-ordered wiretaps on American citizens employed by a candidate’s campaign — and do so by deliberately misleading the court about the origins and authors of the dossier that was used to obtain the warrants."


no, not freely, but if the other side is meeting with FOREIGN governments, maybe FISA should check on that, you know for the sake of our NATIONAL SECURITY.  

the DNC and canidates bought the opposition research, NOT THE ADMINISTRATION

the origins of the dossier aren't really valid, as it alone wasn't used to justify the warrant, maybe it started it, but the FISA COURT approved the warrant, so they thought they had enough evidence to at least survey Page.  so until we see the WHOLE warrant, you have a republican political document in front of you. if you don't like that the FISA court based their decision on a democratic political document, then don't base your conclusions on an equally biased republican political bias.

the rest of the article is speculation and spin, and as it's an opinion piece, that's allowed, but yeah it's an OPINION  
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Reply #8 - 02/03/18 at 07:25:02
 
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the rest of the article is speculation and spin, and as it's an opinion piece, that's allowed, but yeah it's an OPINION  


Quite right. I never said it was anything else. What is not opinion is whether or not the FBI  or some officials in the FBI, broke the law. The memo alleges that they did. The underlying documents will, or will not, bear that out. Until they see the light of day - if they ever do - everything said about the memo, here or anywhere else, is just  opinion. Speculation and spin in your words.

My opinion is that they are guilty as hell.
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Reply #9 - 02/03/18 at 07:44:06
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/not-details-gop-memo-help-undercut-mueller-probe-0...
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The warrant authorizing the FBI to monitor the communications of former campaign adviser Carter Page was not a one-time request, but was approved by a judge on four occasions, the memo says, and even signed off on by the second-ranking official at the Justice Department, Rod Rosenstein, whom Trump appointed as deputy attorney general.

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the memo confirms the FBI's counterintelligence investigation into the Trump campaign began in July 2016, months before the surveillance warrant was sought, and was "triggered" by information concerning campaign aide George Papadopoulos.

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The memo also omits that Page had been on the FBI's radar a few years earlier as part of a separate counterintelligence investigation into Russian influence.

The memo focuses on Page, but Democrats on the House committee said "this ignores the inconvenient fact that the investigation did not begin with, or arise from Christopher Steele or the dossier, and that the investigation would persist on the basis of wholly independent evidence had Christopher Steele never entered the picture."

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The warrant requested was renewed on three additional occasions, meaning that judges approved it four times. One of the Justice Department officials who signed off on it was Rosenstein, a Trump appointee.

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Reply #10 - 02/03/18 at 07:54:01
 
Serowbot wrote on 02/03/18 at 07:44:06:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/not-details-gop-memo-help-undercut-mueller-probe-0...
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The warrant authorizing the FBI to monitor the communications of former campaign adviser Carter Page was not a one-time request, but was approved by a judge on four occasions, the memo says, and even signed off on by the second-ranking official at the Justice Department, Rod Rosenstein, whom Trump appointed as deputy attorney general.

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the memo confirms the FBI's counterintelligence investigation into the Trump campaign began in July 2016, months before the surveillance warrant was sought, and was "triggered" by information concerning campaign aide George Papadopoulos.

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The memo also omits that Page had been on the FBI's radar a few years earlier as part of a separate counterintelligence investigation into Russian influence.

The memo focuses on Page, but Democrats on the House committee said "this ignores the inconvenient fact that the investigation did not begin with, or arise from Christopher Steele or the dossier, and that the investigation would persist on the basis of wholly independent evidence had Christopher Steele never entered the picture."

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The warrant requested was renewed on three additional occasions, meaning that judges approved it four times. One of the Justice Department officials who signed off on it was Rosenstein, a Trump appointee.



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Reply #11 - 02/03/18 at 09:19:49
 
oldNslow wrote on 02/03/18 at 07:25:02:
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the rest of the article is speculation and spin, and as it's an opinion piece, that's allowed, but yeah it's an OPINION  


Quite right. I never said it was anything else. What is not opinion is whether or not the FBI  or some officials in the FBI, broke the law. The memo alleges that they did. The underlying documents will, or will not, bear that out. Until they see the light of day - if they ever do - everything said about the memo, here or anywhere else, is just  opinion. Speculation and spin in your words.

My opinion is that they are guilty as hell.


I've yet to read any explanation as to why all the fear, prior, then nothingburger......

Just more BS to put on top of more BS.

All this speculation was there prior, ans all of this is still just speculation, NOTHING NEW FROM NOBODY.....

No Russia, no nothing, nutin honey.
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Re: NUNES dogsh!t memo    part 1
Reply #12 - 02/03/18 at 10:20:13
 
raydawg wrote on 02/03/18 at 09:19:49:
oldNslow wrote on 02/03/18 at 07:25:02:
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the rest of the article is speculation and spin, and as it's an opinion piece, that's allowed, but yeah it's an OPINION  


Quite right. I never said it was anything else. What is not opinion is whether or not the FBI  or some officials in the FBI, broke the law. The memo alleges that they did. The underlying documents will, or will not, bear that out. Until they see the light of day - if they ever do - everything said about the memo, here or anywhere else, is just  opinion. Speculation and spin in your words.

My opinion is that they are guilty as hell.


I've yet to read any explanation as to why all the fear, prior, then nothingburger......

Just more BS to put on top of more BS.

All this speculation was there prior, ans all of this is still just speculation, NOTHING NEW FROM NOBODY.....

No Russia, no nothing, nutin honey.



hey dumb@ss, fear of the unknown, once known, oh hey, nothing to worry about

enough for ya or did that make your head hurt?  

the FBI and DOJ said the memo was dangerously misleading, so when people involved in national law enforcement say hey, this might not be a good idea....  then I think it's fair for us to take pause and consider their advice, now that it has been released, yeah I don't see too much to worry about, but the FBI and DOJ who have special insight into all of this might still see things to worry about. because they have a bigger more complete picture than me, and their counterparts across the world, also have a bigger more complete picture than me
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Reply #13 - 02/03/18 at 10:35:52
 
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I've yet to read any explanation as to why all the fear


In these kind of situations people tend to be fearful when they have something that they'd rather not be found out. Not complicated really. Human nature.

The louder the protestations of innocence, the longer they go on and the more arcane they become, the more likely it is that those doing the protesting are guilty.

Prisons are plumb full of of people that "didn't do it"  Just ask 'em.
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Reply #14 - 02/03/18 at 11:29:02
 
oldNslow wrote on 02/03/18 at 10:35:52:
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I've yet to read any explanation as to why all the fear


In these kind of situations people tend to be fearful when they have something that they'd rather not be found out. Not complicated really. Human nature.

The louder the protestations of innocence, the longer they go on and the more arcane they become, the more likely it is that those doing the protesting are guilty.

Prisons are plumb full of of people that "didn't do it"  Just ask 'em.


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