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Reply #15 - 02/04/18 at 16:16:25
 
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Reply #16 - 02/04/18 at 19:29:53
 
JOG, your understanding of me is equally as ridiculous as the strawman picture you painted of my thoughts on you. I was resonding pretty directly to your statement that before the release "NOBODY benefits beyond something pretty to look at" (paraphrased).  Please respond to what I say and not to the exaggerated picture of yourself in your inaccurate picture of my head.
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Reply #17 - 02/04/18 at 19:32:40
 
Also, why are you bringing up immigration in a discussion about federal land use? I realize others mentioned the wall, but it was still in the context of federal land use. Going off on policy decisions of previous administration's does nothing to further the conversation at hand.
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Reply #18 - 02/04/18 at 21:43:21
 
Bot brought the wall up.
My pointing out how horrible it is since trump said it hurts, I know.
It was good when Hillary was for it.
Bad when Trump is for it.
And you people wonder why you aren't taken seriously.
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Reply #19 - 02/04/18 at 22:41:54
 
And it remains entirely tangental to the issue at hand.
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Reply #20 - 02/05/18 at 09:00:09
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 02/04/18 at 21:43:21:
Bot brought the wall up.
My pointing out how horrible it is since trump said it hurts, I know.
It was good when Hillary was for it.
Bad when Trump is for it.
And you people wonder why you aren't taken seriously.



well, since you always lump us in together, and then complain about us not remembering when you complain about Trump or Bush or whoever in the past...  pot, kettle, kettle, pot....  

I'm pretty sure this was never brought up in the past under the pretense of "Hillary is for this..." Also, we, as you are, are allowed to disagree with a candidate on one, two or a whole multitude of issues and still prefer them over their opponent based on one, two, ore a whole multitude of issues, or even nuances on issues.
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Reply #21 - 02/05/18 at 09:14:17
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 02/04/18 at 15:22:04:
I have every appreciation for wilderness and nature. You have zero understanding of who I am. How I recycle. How I provide for the creatures that live on our almost twelve acres. You know zilch about me, because you are so busy pretending I'm a hateful, racist, knuckledragging troglodyte.
You think I'm a neocon warmonger, don't you? Please, understand that people can oppose all things lefty and not be evil.
The things lefties want, that they believe is good, are based in a very narrow understanding of reality.


I'm just clumping you into the stereotype of a Trump supporter that I support in my head, sure I know it's not you individually, but, you seem to clump me into a stereotype of "liberal/Hillary supporter" that you support in your head, even though you know equally nothing about me.  

see you even think I don't understand reality, even as you appeal to me to try to understand you, you slam me into your narrow mindview of what you consider "lefty"  

You don't want to talk to me as an individual, you constantly group me together with those you consider lesser than you, "how can't you see this? if you can't see this then you're hopeless..., etc...." unless those are meant to be personal insults....
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Reply #22 - 02/05/18 at 11:48:42
 
You provided the link to a calm assessment of the memo. I won't forget that. Thank You for that.
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Reply #23 - 03/05/18 at 11:41:05
 
As if we all didn't know - here's an update on this "little takeaway"...



Really no surprise.  The cons just have to own it.

Thanks....
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