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Reply #1 - 01/10/18 at 16:57:18
 
Would anyone in hear be intrested in a stroker crank if i had them made for a ls650 ?  Smiley
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Reply #2 - 01/10/18 at 19:08:42
 
Maybe. Depends on the details. Like, what stroke and how much $?
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Reply #3 - 01/11/18 at 02:25:04
 
Armen wrote on 01/10/18 at 19:08:42:
Maybe. Depends on the details. Like, what stroke and how much $?
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OK I am talking to my buddy and once I buy another motor I'm going to take it apart and ship the crank in cases to him and he will find out how far he can stroke it or if we can build a Billet crank but usually they're about $800 for a welded up crank but don't hold me to it  



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Reply #4 - 01/11/18 at 03:23:08
 
Why do you believe this engine will benefit from a longer stroke...isn't the piston speed already pretty high with the 94mm stroke?

What are you going to modify to allow for the longer stroke and keep the piston from hitting the head, crank or counterbalance shaft?

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Reply #5 - 01/11/18 at 05:52:58
 
Excellent, a solution for where there isn't a problem.
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Reply #6 - 01/11/18 at 07:43:31
 
Dave wrote on 01/11/18 at 03:23:08:
Why do you believe this engine will benefit from a longer stroke...isn't the piston speed already pretty high with the 94mm stroke?

What are you going to modify to allow for the longer stroke and keep the piston from hitting the head, crank or counterbalance shaft?




When you build a stroker you also use a costume rode and piston it would be a package deal like a kit and know the Pistons beating speed isn't  too fast this bike only revs to Seven Grand I have done way bigger strokes and revèd them to 13000rpm and one of the benefits is there's no replacement for displacement I don't know what all the benefits will be yet but once I build one and Dyno I know it I will find out the benefits it will be a fun project
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Reply #7 - 01/11/18 at 07:53:45
 
Gary_in_NJ wrote on 01/11/18 at 05:52:58:
Excellent, a solution for where there isn't a problem.


It's called performance it's fun to do always trying to make more power and torque and make it still streetable and run for a hundred thousand miles. I love to make horsepower and torque because horsepower is a calculation of torque
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Reply #8 - 01/11/18 at 08:14:39
 
I love your love for torque, but as Dave pointed out, as stroke increases so does piston speed. Another issues include rod angularity, the acceleration/deceleration forces on the wrist pin, mid-stroke balance, primary and secondary shaking force.

I don't believe that the LS650 motor is under stroked. In fact, it has evolved from a 400cc engine where they increased stroke and bore to achieve a capacity of 650cc. There is opportunity (as proven) to increase the bore and compression ratio. The stoke is a more involved change and may not yield results that justify the efforts.

But by all means, have at it and keep us informed. Be prepared to go through several engines in the process of testing.
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Reply #9 - 01/11/18 at 08:52:01
 
We've already identified the exhaust and intake ports as deficient in design for peak performance.
You'll do far more by modifying the head for performance than stroking it.
The DR650 head design has been identified as better.
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Reply #10 - 01/11/18 at 09:11:34
 
Gary_in_NJ wrote on 01/11/18 at 08:14:39:
I love your love for torque, but as Dave pointed out, as stroke increases so does piston speed. Another issues include rod angularity, the acceleration/deceleration forces on the wrist pin, mid-stroke balance, primary and secondary shaking force.

I don't believe that the LS650 motor is under stroked. In fact, it has evolved from a 400cc engine where they increased stroke and bore to achieve a capacity of 650cc. There is opportunity (as proven) to increase the bore and compression ratio. The stoke is a more involved change and may not yield results that justify the efforts.

But by all means, have at it and keep us informed. Be prepared to go through several engines in the process of testing.



This isn't my first engine build or engine modification I could have stayed stuck on my ZX14 which made 194 horse with a pipe but no I decided to put a turbo and nitrous on it and makeover 660 horse I've Done big stroker kits and all kinds Motors drag cars street cars motorcycles even Raptors I've got 12 mm over Strokes in them I know what is all entailed in doing the motor
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Reply #11 - 01/11/18 at 09:27:07
 
verslagen1 wrote on 01/11/18 at 08:52:01:
We've already identified the exhaust and intake ports as deficient in design for peak performance.
You'll do far more by modifying the head for performance than stroking it.
The DR650 head design has been identified as better.


Your sorta right. But if you have 42.389671757199444ci  but if you port the head an run hi compression you will get good power but I'd you add more cubic inches 45.09539548638239 to the motor you will make even more power even though the head cant be modified anymore

Remember there is no replacement for displacement
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Reply #12 - 01/11/18 at 09:30:31
 
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Reply #13 - 01/11/18 at 09:52:07
 
LANCER wrote on 08/08/13 at 04:51:34:
DR650 available cam profiles listed on the WebCam site are considerably higher than what we have now, but then the DR exhaust ports a MUCH nicer that ours.  Valve sizes are the same.  This is for the 90-95 models.

Lift:  .390/.380
Duration @ 0.050":  248/248

Lift:  .417/.405
Duration @ 0.050":  254/254

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Numbers for the LS650

CAMSHAFT                           VALVE LIFT IN/EX                          DURATION @ .050

Stock camshaft                       .254/.244                                          224
Webcam std.                          .256/.256                                          226
Stage 1                                      .264/.264                                                 239
Stage 2                                      .274/.274                                                 248
Stage 3                                      .273/.273                                                 238

Effects of duration:
220-235  =>  Low End Torque
235-250  =>  Midrange Torque
260 +       =>  Top End Power


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Reply #14 - 01/11/18 at 10:01:58
 
I don't know ,while a longer stroke will increase torque , we have decent torque ,it's horsepower that's in short supply,  and the biggest bang for the buck is higher compression  and a better cam and we've already increased displacement with larger pistons . this has been done , where as the use of blowers and stroking may cause overheating problems , the estimated price you cite and the fact that installing would demand total disassembly of the motor doesn't "get my motor running" ,but good luck!
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