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01/05/18 at 10:09:06

Seems a lot of folks in the republican party are saying this is good, with others in the democrat party not saying much about it.....

Any experts here?

Is the the demonstrations an affront to Obama's policies toward Iran, its leadership?

If the current leadership is removed, who take over?

I find it hard to get any real depth to the story.
It seems you have FOX pushing it as praiseworthy, etc, a Trump victory, but the CNN's, etc, seem vague or mum, just lip service.....

What's up?

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Re: About Iran......
Reply #1 - 01/05/18 at 10:22:57

I posted a lengthy explanation of the potential answer the other day.
Knowns and unknowns.
The First thing to remember is
Like Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya
Iran is
On the list of countries that We WILL invade.
See
General Wesley Clarke list of countries to invade
Make note of When it was made public.

Ask yourself
When have we seen citizens rise up?
Libya comes to mind.
Iraq, yeah,
And what happened next?
And after it was all over, who was behind the uprising?
I don't want to see another war, but it's looking like that is what is coming.

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Re: About Iran......
Reply #2 - 01/05/18 at 10:43:54

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 01/05/18 at 10:22:57:

I posted a lengthy explanation of the potential answer the other day.
Knowns and unknowns.
The First thing to remember is
Like Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya
Iran is
On the list of countries that We WILL invade.
See
General Wesley Clarke list of countries to invade
Make note of When it was made public.

Ask yourself
When have we seen citizens rise up?
Libya comes to mind.
Iraq, yeah,
And what happened next?
And after it was all over, who was behind the uprising?
I don't want to see another war, but it's looking like that is what is coming.

I saw your sharing about Wesly Clarke, etc....
But it seems a lot of speculation and supposition.
Which, given the nature of that region of the world, seems to be a best guess scenario based on the "moment".

A simple question Jog, is trying to stabilize this part of the world merely a gesture to ensure Israels presence is secure?

If Trump gets his wish to promote more oil production in the states, won't the "hopefully" cheaper prices create even more instability in that region?

How much of this is "human rights" vs. a different agenda, driven?

It seems many countries, even Germany, Turkey, etc, are experiencing push back to its governing on the past status quo, how much of this energy to change, giving a voice to those "out of power" is being generated through the computer/internet technologies and availability?

Thanks buddy....

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Reply #3 - 01/05/18 at 11:19:15

raydawg wrote on 01/05/18 at 10:43:54:

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 01/05/18 at 10:22:57:

I posted a lengthy explanation of the potential answer the other day.
Knowns and unknowns.
The First thing to remember is
Like Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya
Iran is
On the list of countries that We WILL invade.
See
General Wesley Clarke list of countries to invade
Make note of When it was made public.

Ask yourself
When have we seen citizens rise up?
Libya comes to mind.
Iraq, yeah,
And what happened next?
And after it was all over, who was behind the uprising?
I don't want to see another war, but it's looking like that is what is coming.

I saw your sharing about Wesly Clarke, etc....

But it seems a lot of speculation and supposition.

Not at all. He was handed the list and so far, it's been 100% accurate.

Which, given the nature of that region of the world, seems to be a best guess scenario based on the "moment".

A simple question Jog, is trying to stabilize this part of the world merely a gesture to ensure Israels presence is secure?

Stabilize? That's the word They use.
Ignore it. Do you see stability in the places where we invaded?
Do stable societies walk away from their homes and go to Germany?

I'm unable to understand the Big Why of it. Is Israel somehow involved? Maybe we will know that one day.

If Trump gets his wish to promote more oil production in the states, won't the "hopefully" cheaper prices create even more instability in that region?

What instability is the big deal? These are societies older than America. What do we Really Know about life in these places
And what gives us the right to involve ourselves?

How much of this is "human rights" vs. a different agenda, driven?

Human Rights is how they sell it to the Dumbmasses. If true concern for the People was the reason
We wouldn't bomb the shittoutta them.
If someone showed up at my house to help me and they had
Helped my neighbor the way we
Helped the Libyan People, I'd beg them to NOT Help me.

It seems many countries, even Germany, Turkey, etc, are experiencing push back to its governing on the past status quo, how much of this energy to change, giving a voice to those "out of power" is being generated through the computer/internet technologies and availability?

I don't understand that question
Thanks buddy....

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: About Iran...... Reply #4 - 01/05/18 at 16:03:47 Nobody wants to explain why that's incorrect or anything?
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Reply #6 - 01/05/18 at 17:31:24

From CBS news:

CBS NEWS January 2, 2018

It's the first day back at work in 2018 for us pundit types, and already one of last year's biggest memes is back too, courtesy of the Iran protests: #ThatsHowYouGetTrump.

The premise of the meme is that, while intellectual elites might be smart in a general way about broad political issues, they failed to see their practical impact on real people—particularly blue-collar, lower-middle-class people—here at home. So, for example, while elites write 5,000 word articles about the evils of building a border wall, many Americans are more moved by stories like the shooting of Kate Steinle, allegedly carried out by an illegal immigrant, or the diversity lottery terrorist who hit New York City on Halloween.

On foreign policy, President Obama offered a nuanced argument for refusing to back up his "red line" on Syrian use of chemical weapons against children, while President Trump later offered arguments—just a missile barrage that so far has brought the attacks to an end.

And so it is with the street protests in Iran, a story that's impossible to view apart from the Iran Deal, the centerpiece of Obama's foreign policy.

The anti-regime protests, the Rouhani government's violent crackdown and the resulting deaths all feed the notion that liberal elites have "an inability to see the forest through the trees," as Mideast analyst Michael Rubin puts it—on Iran, or on the world as a whole. It's another argument for the pro-Trump view that, while Barack Obama had a patina of egghead-ism and elegance, the current president at least knows the good guys from the bad guys.

And for most Americans, Iran has long been the bad guys. More than 80 percent of Americans have had an unfavorable view of Iran for decades, with more than 70 percent consistently describing its Islamist government as a "critical threat" to the US.

And with good reason. After all, the Iranian regime has:

· Funded Hezbollah terrorists.

· Backed the chemical-weapon using Assad regime in Syria.

· Humiliated US sailors when a damaged ship drifted into Iranian waters.

· Repeatedly tested ballistic missile technology in violation of UN resolutions.

And they've done all this after striking the Iran Deal with President Obama. No wonder most Americans opposed the deal at the time (though support has picked up since Trump took office, likely a symptom of anti-Trump partisanship). In other words, this is how the Iranians behave when you're nice to them.

As former Ambassador John Bolton wrote on the one-year anniversary of the Iran Deal: "Tehran has disproved any idea that acceding to its nuclear demands would cause basic shifts in its international conduct." Obama defenders argue that changing their behavior was never the goal, it was merely, as President Obama put it when he announced the agreement, "preventing Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. This deal does exactly that."

Except it doesn't. The Iran Deal allows Iran to do whatever it wants when restrictions "sunset" in seven years. In the meantime, Iran has rejected "any time, anywhere" inspections that were promised by the Obama administration and continues to test new, more advanced centrifuges. As a result, says Michael Rubin, "Iran would have access to an industrial-scale nuclear program, fully-funded, with few restrictions and the most advanced centrifuges as soon as the sunset clauses within the [Iran Deal] came into effect."

That's bad. What's worse is recent reporting of what it cost America to make Obama's deal in the first place. In 2016, many Americans were horrified to learn that the Obama administration had secretly flown pallets of cash—literally millions of dollars— to the Iranians as part of a prisoner swap to sweeten the deal for Iran. Dangerous actors from the Iranian regime were either released or had their criminal cases dropped, along with a total payout of $1.7 billion in contested money, in exchange for the release of four Americans wrongly held by the Iranian regime.

Since then, Politico has reported that the Obama administration shut down an investigation into drug dealing and gun running by Hezbollah—Iran's terrorist allies—in the lead up to the Iran Deal. Obama officials acknowledge that cases were dropped but deny that these decision were in any way linked to appeasing Iran. Members of Congress are now calling for an investigation.

The American people now see the same regime that the Obama administration strengthened shooting its own people in the streets. The average American never would have trusted the Iranians, and they know Donald Trump agrees.

When Obama administration smart guys like Ben Rhodes and John Kerry describe Trump as a simpleton, many Trump supporters would agree: Simple, yes. But right. As opposed to smart but wrong. That's the political force Trump has tapped into.

Interestingly, the protesters in Iran appear to have a similar view. Among the slogans reportedly being shouted in the streets are "Let go of Syria. Put your thoughts on us," "Not Gaza, Not Lebanon, We Will Give Our Lives to Iran," and "We are Iranians, we don't worship Islamism." These protesters hoped the financial benefits of the Iran Deal would reach them. Instead, the regime continues to fund terrorism abroad and their citizens are angry. You could almost translate their message to "Make Iran Great Again."

Betting on Iran abandoning terror or becoming an ally was always a bad bet. Barack Obama and the Washington elites made it. And #ThatsHowYouGetTrump.

© 2018 CBS Interactive Inc. All Rights Reserved.

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Reply #7 - 01/05/18 at 18:29:41

That Assad was responsible for the chemical weapons attack has been debunked.

And for most Americans, Iran has long been the bad guys. More than 80 percent of Americans have had an unfavorable view of Iran for decades, with more than 70 percent consistently describing its Islamist government as a "critical threat" to the US.

So? Without a camera crew touring the country all we have is media.

They don't lie.

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