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RazBarlow Full Member Offline Timing Is Everything ! R U Advanced or Retarded ? Posts: 125 Keene Texas	Bleed or Not To Bleed ? 12/22/17 at 13:04:42 What is the benefit to either pilot jet and are they interchangeable ?
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28387 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Bleed or Not To Bleed ? Reply #1 - 12/22/17 at 15:21:51 In our carbs,.. there is no difference... Saves a lot of introspection...
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Bleed or Not To Bleed ? Reply #2 - 12/22/17 at 18:16:41 I Try to avoid bleeding. I fail often.
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Gary_in_NJ Serious Thumper Offline LS650 Cafe Racer Posts: 2629 Amongst the Twisty Roads	Re: Bleed or Not To Bleed ? Reply #3 - 12/23/17 at 06:22:18 I'm confused, what are we bleeding? Did the op intend to start a brake thread but accidentally asked a carb question?
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28387 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Bleed or Not To Bleed ? Reply #4 - 12/23/17 at 06:55:27 Gary_in_NJ wrote on 12/23/17 at 06:22:18: I'm confused, what are we bleeding? Pilot jets with bleed holes or without... Either that,.. or an Alice Cooper song...
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RazBarlow Full Member Offline Timing Is Everything ! R U Advanced or Retarded ? Posts: 125 Keene Texas	Re: Bleed or Not To Bleed ? Reply #5 - 12/23/17 at 07:11:37 Nope , I am on track . No brakes here, carb tuning detail.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Bleed or Not To Bleed ? Reply #6 - 12/23/17 at 07:24:59 Tiny holes in something inside the carb I think.
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Gary_in_NJ Serious Thumper Offline LS650 Cafe Racer Posts: 2629 Amongst the Twisty Roads	Re: Bleed or Not To Bleed ? Reply #7 - 12/23/17 at 10:13:27 Well then, please explain carb bleeding.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Bleed or Not To Bleed ? Reply #8 - 12/23/17 at 10:39:23 Actually I'm not sure exactly what the guy is talking about, I'm just guessing. Maybe we will be discussing jetting brakes later?
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28790 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Bleed or Not To Bleed ? Reply #9 - 12/23/17 at 10:43:34 You can get pilot jets with bleeder holes or not. From descriptions from those that have gotten them, it looks like the bleeder holes cause the same jet size to be richer. Maybe they just atomize the fuel better and make it more efficient. It would take someone with an exhaust analyzer to tell.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Bleed or Not To Bleed ? Reply #10 - 12/23/17 at 10:58:47 I.C.E. breathalyzer..
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IslandRoad Serious Thumper Offline It doesn't vibrate, it purrs! Posts: 1147 The Kiewa Valley, Australia Gender:	Re: Bleed or Not To Bleed ? Reply #11 - 12/23/17 at 11:24:45 This thread has been like a cryptic crossword! I woke up this morning with it on my mind, and think I get it now lol I think Verslagen's first post was the answer ... it was cryptic too!!
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Re: Bleed or Not To Bleed ?
Reply #12 - 12/23/17 at 11:42:11

For our use the holes on the side of the jet do nothing! They are air emulsion holes, and would be used to add air to the fuel going to the carb IF we had an air mix screw, but we don't we have a fuel mix screw, and there is no passage that leads to the side of our pilot jet for either fuel or air thus these extra holes don't do a thing.

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28790 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Bleed or Not To Bleed ? Reply #13 - 12/23/17 at 13:33:37 I found this on the net for the BS40. It shows the pilot jet being vented in the side and this occurs well before any metering. Also found something I didn't know... there are 2 types of pilot jets, ours are the ones on the left.
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Re: Bleed or Not To Bleed ?
Reply #14 - 12/23/17 at 14:03:54

The bleed holes are used in carbs that provide air to the sides of the pilot jet, and the air is mixed with the fuel coming from the float bowl. The size and number of holes in the pilot jet can affect the fuel/air ratio of the pilot jet, and it is used for fine tuning the carb.

The stock Savage carb does not use the bleed holes, and there are no drilled passage to allow air to flow into the side of the jet......so the pilot jets with or without the bleed holes all work the same - as there is no source of air for the bleed holes to get any air. You can use the pilot jets with our without holes - it won't make a difference.

Here is a thread with a nice diagram that illustrates the lack of any air passage to the bleed screws in the stock Savage carb.
http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1496814399/6#6

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