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12/14/17 at 10:33:41
 
I hope this won't irk anyone off ( maybe I should rephrase that ???? )

OT, you seem very up to date re: computers, internet, etc...
And that is what prompts my question.

This net neutrality, could you please explain to me the nuances of it, why its even a current issue, and how it effects me, please?

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Reply #1 - 12/14/17 at 11:48:08
 
I get what you mean, but I thought this avenue was the best place to find you  Grin

I appreciate your answer, and I respect it, enough so I will adopt it as my understanding now, thanks!

Maybe just lock the thread, to enlighten, without debating, for I feel I am not the only one confused by this issue, looking for a simplification of it, WITHOUT getting into the political posturing aspects of it.

Again, thanks!
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Reply #2 - 12/14/17 at 22:54:23
 
I think  Giving   somebody the same thing that I have to  Pay   for is Cheating

Reminds me of a bumper sticker on my truck : " A Liberal is Someone who will give-away every thing that isn't theirs ."

I guess the World Just isn't Fair . I pay ... others get free ???
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Reply #3 - 12/15/17 at 03:39:04
 

A topic like Net Neutrality is bound to result in controversy, so please take it to the Tall Table, that's why the place was created.

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Reply #4 - 12/15/17 at 07:15:47
 
MMRanch wrote on 12/14/17 at 22:54:23:
I guess the World Just isn't Fair . I pay ... others get free ???


If you wanted fair you should been King.   Grin
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Reply #5 - 12/15/17 at 08:55:56
 
I don't see how this can be a good thing for anyone other than internet providers...  ...and maybe Amazon...
Just a new way to gouge people... Huh
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Reply #6 - 12/15/17 at 09:17:48
 
Serowbot wrote on 12/15/17 at 08:55:56:
I don't see how this can be a good thing for anyone other than internet providers...  ...and maybe Amazon...


Just a new way to gouge people...




I'm not perfectly comfortable with what this will do to costs, but I'm expecting a jump first and then competition that brings it back down.
The idea that we are not being throttled now is ludicrous. Our speed changes all the time. We are on fiber optic cable, so it should be stable, but it's not. The provider is set up to control the rate of flow so as to not lose money.

We have a T.V.package. We have packages available for less money and some for more money.
It's a simple Market thing. I buy what I can afford. Like the grocery store, not everyone gets filet mignon, some get round steak, some get hamburger, is that fair?
Yeah, it's fair.
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Reply #7 - 12/15/17 at 09:41:17
 
...but what if your market starts putting out large amounts of filet mignon and limiting availability of hamburger?... this because the mignon suppliers pay them to?...
We suddenly find ourselves limiting our meat consumption to once per week...

...(That would actually be healthier, which reduces the validity of my analogy, but you get the point)...

Internet is more than just an entertainment source.
We get information, social interaction, pay our bills, do our taxes, shop, sell, communicate, etc...
It even serves in emergency crisis...
Access in more critical than optional and it's necessity increases daily...
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Reply #8 - 12/15/17 at 09:50:31
 
If you're trying to sell a product, would you do that?
The cable company sells packages for different prices.
Car manufacturers don't just build Cadillacs,
And internet providers won't just offer the Cadillac connection speed.
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Reply #9 - 12/15/17 at 10:13:43
 
Here is my problem on the issue......

Net Neutrality is only 2 years old in its implementation.....
We are told of all sorts of threats if its removed.

The INTERNET thrived, grew, and prospered very well before that, why,
if it was without this need?

Now those in favor of removing it talk about goverment interference, stymied technology, etc.....

Yet I can't tell a dang thing different between the before, or after, on my end.....

All I hear is folk forecasting FEAR and DOOM, if "their" policies are not enforced.  
Not sure why, but it sure seems to tack along the same dividing lines as political party beliefs....

Well, we saw Trump get elected under Net Neutrality policy, and he sure was NOT favored by the media, and political establishment, from controlling of the INTERNET domain(s).

And we saw Obama used it handily, before its implementation, to win his elections twice, so we can ascertain access was not restricted by charging consumers unjust fees.....

Got to be a REAL TRUTH, between the two extremes, it would seem.....
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Reply #10 - 12/15/17 at 10:29:51
 
I've been wondering why Disney is acquiring whoever, Fox, heck,I don't remember, but the need to acquire something, by Disney, has left me wondering. So, now I'm hearing a prognosticator saying
Streaming is the future...
And explaining about
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And AT&T and their deal to not charge for data IF you're a customer with a phone who wants to use Their streaming service, they don't charge for the data.
Well, ESPN can't be streamed by anybody who Isn't a cable subscriber.
But you can watch all kindsa stuff on Netflix, Hulu, and other streaming services.

Just wait, let this shake out. The Consumer will be ahead.

Clothing manufacturers don't just produce Gucci,
The market is well covered.
The Consumer has a wide variety of products to choose from.
Net Neutrality has been a hindrance to the creation of options.

I actually applauded Obama for signing it. I think I was wrong.. And we will see in a coupla years, maybe less.
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Reply #11 - 12/15/17 at 10:40:11
 
If your seatbelt causes no problems or inconvenience, why not wear it?...
If a consumer protection is seeming to not be any problem,.. why get rid of it?...
Can any good come from that?...
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Reply #12 - 12/15/17 at 10:43:14
 
At some point you'll be watching netflix and it'll get throttled.
So you'll go looking for a netflix partner isp... networxs.

I get cable, there's no over the air reception, and limited cell phone reception.
I can get dsl and there's mention of fiber.  Satellite seems to be someones wet dream.

yeah, even in the big sh!ty I'm still looking for options.
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Reply #13 - 12/15/17 at 10:44:56
 
Other than if you buy a product on line, in the same state you reside, no tax is collected....

Even no VAT, if bought in a country that has that tax structure.

I hope INTERNET commerce stays that way, for it keeps the cost down, and it really gives the consumer the best choices, as well as an opportunity to distribute "wealth" worldwide without goverment interference (for the most part).  

To me that seems the best avenue for folks all over this planet to better their circumstance, by a truly free global market/economy......    
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Reply #14 - 12/15/17 at 10:47:44
 
I'm trying to show you where WE are not being as well served as an open and unobstructed market would allow.
I really thought I had addressed the points you, well, point, you made, concerning All The Providers offering nothing but the most expensive and least value product by showing so many Other markets, food, clothing and transportation, none regulated by the government to force them to offer affordable options. I guess I failed.
So now, the only option is
We wait.
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