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raydawg Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 11551 pacific northwest Gender:	Stand baby..... stand. 10/10/17 at 11:56:54 Roger Gooddell just told owners that all players must stand for the national anthem.... More to follow on Sunday 🤑
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Reply #1 - 10/10/17 at 12:04:33

He can't say that... well, he can, but he's gonna lose a lot of money in lawsuits!!

The National Anthem is just a song. The flag is just a piece of cloth.

How dense do you have to be to make this an issue???

The rights given to us by the Constitution ALLOW for us to protest. They DO NOT ALLOW anyone to force you into standing for a SONG!

This is nothing but distraction. Idiotic. Time-wasting. Childish distraction.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Stand baby..... stand. Reply #2 - 10/10/17 at 12:11:16 If Not Standing is a Political Statement then so is Standing. Shall we agree with being forced to make the Approved Political Statement?
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28387 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Stand baby..... stand. Reply #3 - 10/10/17 at 12:44:45 justin_o_guy2 wrote on 10/10/17 at 12:11:16: If Not Standing is a Political Statement then so is Standing. This is true... Should we be forced to do either?... What is the "statement" if it is mandatory?... "Sieg Heil!
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Reply #4 - 10/10/17 at 12:52:34

The NFL will fine a player for wearing the wrong socks or attaching a patch to their jersey so I'm pretty sure they can tell them to do whatever. Is it the NFL or is it MLB that has a special exemption to anti-trust laws?

However, the right lawyer can change challenge anything and I say it's 50/50 that by Sunday, they'll be an injunction issued. Who would have believed a golfer used the ADA to sue the PGA Tour and ride a cart instead of walking.

I wonder if the league got with reps of the players association and showed them the declining viewership numbers. Sooner or later, money will win out and the 'moral stand' some of them are taking will suddenly not seem so important when their paycheck is at stake.

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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28387 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Stand baby..... stand. Reply #5 - 10/10/17 at 12:58:27 That may be true... ... but something seems wrong with being forced to respect the flag... Isn't act act rendered meaningless if it is not sincerely felt?... Patriotism by force?... is imposed Nationalism... I hate to make the Nazism comparison, but it is there...
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Reply #6 - 10/10/17 at 13:03:39

Educate the viewers to understand what forcing someone to
Participate in What They Don't Agree with Means.

The NFL will fine a player for wearing the wrong socks or attaching a patch to their jersey so I'm pretty sure they can tell them to do whatever. Is it the NFL or is it MLB that has a special exemption to anti-trust laws?

The NFL has contractual agreements with companies. Wearing the wrong socks with the wrong makers mark conflicts with that. The wrong headphones, etc.
Why the NFL would not agree with them wearing a patch for the slain cops, IDK.
So, Bot, you understand how wrong it is to force someone to participate in making a statement that they don't agree with?
I'm surprised.
I'm doubly surprised that you can say I'm so far right that I'm a Nazi.
You included me in the people
Off the cliff.
You didn't Say Nazi and my name in the same sentence.
I'm waiting for you to admit I'm reasonable.

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Reply #7 - 10/10/17 at 13:07:15

Athletes are entertainers and the team owners hired the Commissioner to run the show. Really, if you break it down to basics, the players are actors in an unscripted play. If they won't do what the director or producer wants, they can be fired.

In True Grit, Lucky Ned declines the offer of a good attorney, correctly saying what he needs is "a good judge.". All a player has to do is find a judge who hates Trump (plenty of those around) and all of a sudden, the league's ability to run their show the way they want, is tossed out.

As far as meaningless, I would equate it to the fake outrage over Civil War statues. No one was ever really upset with a statue. They were just a place for birds to land on. Likewise, none of these who are kneeling, raising a fist etc... were swelling with pride all 5000 times they stood for it before every game before all this started.

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raydawg Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 11551 pacific northwest Gender:	Re: Stand baby..... stand. Reply #8 - 10/10/17 at 13:17:48 Hahahaha...... We use to get banned from our free expression here by the censors lol!
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Reply #9 - 10/10/17 at 13:27:40

They are hired to play football.
Not make a political statement.
If someone tells them they Must make a statement
AND tell them What statement they must make
That's a little bit Unamerican.
And at the Same Time
They are being Called
Unamerican
For not wanting to be forced to do what they are being told.
If it's so
Unscripted
Howcum it's so predictable?
Instead of playing football, they start with
What?
Anyone care to point out the freedoms our military have secured for us in the last few decades?
And what freedoms did they give up to play football?
Is it Right to hold a contract away from someone if they have the talent to do a job if they won't agree to dance to your tune?
Ask Weinstein.

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raydawg Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 11551 pacific northwest Gender:	Re: Stand baby..... stand. Reply #10 - 10/10/17 at 13:56:30 Shut the fruck up you little brainless turdball.... All you do is watch fox, idiot. No wonder you voted for Trump, you white pig! Why can't you be civil like me, oh yeah, you are too stupid! Hey, I do liberal pretty dang good, huh
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Reply #11 - 10/10/17 at 14:21:39

When I was a recruit at Ft. Jackson back in the late 60's they (The Army) insisted we salute the Commanding general's car if it passed by, wether he was in it or not. Coming back from my latest KP detail, I saw the car, empty except driver, come by and I simply decided it was stupid, so I declined to salute. The driver stopped, took my name and within minutes the Drill sergeant was marching me up to the 1st Sergeant and then onto the Co commander (Hadn't seen him since the first day). He yelled he was going to give me an article 15 and I thanked him, and told him if I got enough maybeee I wouldn't get sent to Nam. Grin

He withdrew the threat, and months later I was in the beautiful Central Highlands..... Wink

Or, in short version, the guy that pays calls the shots. Shocked

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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28387 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Stand baby..... stand. Reply #12 - 10/10/17 at 15:19:12 Military is a whole nother animal... I grew up military... and even as a child, you had to stop in place, wherever you were, and stand for reveille and the anthem at 7am and 5pm... Servicemen had to salute,... kids didn't... we just stood like statues. "Dammit, my ice-cream's melting"...
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thumperclone Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline PGR rider riding with respect Posts: 5825 Grand Junction Colorado Gender:	Re: Stand baby..... stand. Reply #13 - 10/10/17 at 15:28:11 raydawg wrote on 10/10/17 at 11:56:54: Roger Gooddell just told owners that all players must stand for the national anthem.... FAKE read the letter
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Reply #14 - 10/10/17 at 15:37:41

With all that's going on in the world,... Trump is in a Twitter war with football players...
This, is the real issue... forget mass shootings, N.Korea, hurricanes, healthcare, the economy, climate change, pollution, war....

The Supreme Court has said not standing, or even flag burning, is protected speech...
Being forced to stand is unconstitutional...
...but,... that don't matter,... right?...
The Constitution only matters when you agree with it...

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