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Reply #15 - 09/01/17 at 09:33:53
 
Going off memory here, but I seem to remember a rep from Shell responding that its greater than 1,000 mmp (down from 1,250) - which put's on the low end of the acceptable scale.

I've got T-5 semi-synth in three of my bikes right now with no clutch issues.
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Re: Air-cooled engine question?
Reply #16 - 09/01/17 at 12:14:35
 
Eegore wrote on 09/01/17 at 09:07:53:
 Did we ever get an answer regarding if we still need ZDDP in the latest Rotella mixture?


Yes...although they don't seem to be able to test for ZDDP directly, as the Zinc and Phosphorous are always listed as separate components.

1,203 ppm Zinc, 1080 ppm Phosphorus

http://pqiadata.org/Shell_Rotella_T4_15W40_4192017.html
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Reply #17 - 09/01/17 at 16:14:43
 
Kind of glad I read this. So I'll be riding about 100 miles home from San Diego to LA area here in California. Weather is gonna be about 90-95 is that to hot to be riding that long with this bike? I really don't have a choice because I gotta get home but just wondering
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Reply #18 - 09/01/17 at 16:35:20
 
High speeds use oil. 100 miles, you'll be okay. Check it before you go, and when you get there. Having a small container of oil is not a bad plan.
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Reply #19 - 09/01/17 at 20:27:06
 
Semi-synth is a waste of money ,it's no better than dino. It just costs more.  Versy's test was with 20w-50 which  made the motor run hotter.
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Reply #20 - 09/02/17 at 10:22:23
 
batman wrote on 09/01/17 at 20:27:06:
Semi-synth is a waste of money ,it's no better than dino. It just costs more.  Versy's test was with 20w-50 which  made the motor run hotter.


The Semi Synthetic meets higher standards than regular oil, but not as high as the full synthetic.  The real problem is that Rotella T5 DOES NOT carry an MA designation.  It was designed for use in light duty diesels such as Mercedes, Volkswagon, ect.  It may contain friction modifiers.
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Reply #21 - 09/02/17 at 11:56:35
 
I didn't get the full synth T-6 because it only comes in 5w-40. That's too light for our bikes. In the future I'll just stick to the T-4 Dino.
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Reply #22 - 09/02/17 at 18:06:42
 
If 15/40 is okay,isn't 5/40?
It's only thin when it's cold.
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Reply #23 - 09/02/17 at 22:15:09
 
If Often wondered about the benefits of turning it off during and extended wait at say a bridge, or even on a very hot day if you're going to be stationary for a short period like two minutes at lights is it worth turning the engine off during those two minutes if it's a very hot day?

verslagen1 wrote on 08/28/17 at 13:37:52:
And whatever you do don't get stuck for a long wait at a stop light.
unless of course you need the hair removed from your legs.
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Reply #24 - 09/03/17 at 06:00:02
 
Gary wrote: "I didn't get the full synth T-6 because it only comes in 5w-40".  Here in Colorado I get the full synthetic T6 in 15W-40 at WalMart.

I got stuck at road works twice riding the Savage. I hit the kill switch, not because I was worried that the engine would overheat (it does not get that hot where and when I ride), but because I thought it might be worth saving a bit of gas, considering the small capacity of our fuel tank!
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Reply #25 - 09/03/17 at 06:11:02
 
Now I could be wrong on this, but it would appear that T6 is now only available in 5w-40. If you want 15w-40 you'll have to get T4 or T5.
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Reply #26 - 09/03/17 at 06:43:55
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/01/17 at 16:35:20:
High speeds use oil.


I found that out last week, normally I use about a couple of ounces of oil in my GS per 6000K and I get 23km/litre, had a bit of a mad midnight ride on the expressway and spent about 90mins traveling at 150km/hour, petrol consumption dropped to 16km/litre and I used about 6 ounces of oil!

I recently inquired about the zinc level at Penrite...

Marketing uses the term "Full zinc plus" referring to an adding together of zinc ppm and boron ppm. From a science background I prefer to say zinc = **** ppm and the boron is a bonus, stated separately, if at all.

Both of these bikes [GS and S40] really want oil at 10W-** so I'll stick with that. In Brisbane's heat there's an advantage in getting that right hand number up, not the left (Winter) one.
How about the semisynthetic SAE 10W-50?


I ended up using the Penrite HPR Diesel 10 10W40 because it was on special and half the price of the m/c oils, I've got enough for both bike for another year now.  Here's the specs looks like 1220 for the zinc  http://www.penriteoil.com.au/assets/pis_pdfs/HPR%20DIESEL%2010%20NOVEMBER%202...

THIS is definitely worth a read talking about Zinc... http://www.penriteoil.com.au/community/posts/hughesy-and-039-s-tech-tip-zinc-...
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Re: Air-cooled engine question?
Reply #27 - 09/03/17 at 09:09:49
 
Here's a pretty descent info page on what the viscosity numbers mean.
http://www.upmpg.com/tech_articles/motoroil_viscosity/

Go to the page to see the full chart, I've reduced it so it's readable here.

SAE Viscosity Chart (High Temp)
100° C (210° F)
     
20      5.6
30      9.3
40      12.5
50      16.3
60      21.9

Winter or "W" Grades SAE Viscosity
     
Low Temp (-15 to -40°C) Viscosity cP
     
0W        3.8
5W        3.8
10W     4.1
15W      5.6
20W     5.6
25W     9.3

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When you see a W on a viscosity rating it means that this oil viscosity has been tested at a Colder temperature. The numbers without the W are all tested at 210° F or 100° C which is considered an approximation of engine operating temperature. In other words, a SAE 30 motor oil is the same viscosity as a 10w-30 or 5W-30 at 210° (100° C). The difference is when the viscosity is tested at a much colder temperature. For example, a 5W-30 motor oil performs like a SAE 5 motor oil would perform at the cold temperature specified, but still has the SAE 30 viscosity at 210° F (100° C) which is engine operating temperature. This allows the engine to get quick oil flow when it is started cold verses dry running until lubricant either warms up sufficiently or is finally forced through the engine oil system. The advantages of a low W viscosity number is obvious. The quicker the oil flows cold, the less dry running. Less dry running means much less engine wear.


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Re: Air-cooled engine question?
Reply #28 - 09/03/17 at 14:33:06
 
Gary,

Thanks for the information. Useful to know they are discontinuing the T6 15W-40.

I just rode to the WalMart in Falcon, CO. They still have Rotella T6 15W-40 available in Quarts at $6.97, and 2.5 gallon jugs at $41.36. That is in stock, so if anyone within riding distance of the Falcon, CO store wants some, now is the time to get it!
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Reply #29 - 09/03/17 at 17:21:28
 
Tractor Supply, yesterday, 2.5 gallon, $32.50 ish.
it's T4.
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