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Re: LENR (ongoing)
Reply #60 - 08/10/18 at 03:44:45
 

Serobot......      they actually did this one just for you and all other doubting Thomas types.


http://e-catworld.com/2018/08/09/rossi-building-40-mw-e-cat-plant-for-customer/

Rossi: Building 40 MW E-Cat Plant for Customer who is “One of the Biggest Entities in the World in its Field”

Current thought is it is a single distillation tower at a refinery, so if it works out you can expect a lot of news exposure in the Business press.    I expect Forbes to be along shortly along with a Futures rating update on the company doing it ......

The message to business leaders is clear -- jump on the train NOW or get left behind the technical leaders and LOSE YOUR COMPETITIVE POSITION DUE TO HIGHER ENERGY COSTS.

When you see this showing up in general media, expect some sort of reaction from all major companies ASAP.






Rossi: Building 40 MW E-Cat Plant for Customer who is “One of the Biggest Entities in the World in its Field”

Posted on August 9, 2018 • 32 Comments

Andrea Rossi has been posting recently about a contract Leonardo Corporation has made with a customer (unidentified) for a 40 MW E-Cat installation.

Rossi states that the plant is already under construction, although he says that they have not yet decided whether it will be using SK or QX reactors.  He says they are still testing the SK 10 kW version and will have to make a decision in the near future whether it is ready for production.

According to Rossi, the SK and QX reactors are the same size, so presumably they can start building the plants before they make the final decision of which type to go with. However, if they go with the QX reactors (1 kW each), they will need 10 times the number compared to the SK. When asked about the size of this plant he replied:

Andrea Rossi
August 9, 2018 at 6:28 AM
Anonymous:
Assuming we use the SK 10,
Reactors plus heat exchanger 4 cubic meters, plus the control systems and the steam circuits.
Warm Regards
A.R.

So if the QX is used, then it will be 40 cubic meters in size which will be considerably larger, so I am sure that Rossi hopes that the SK is ready.

UPDATE

I asked Rossi a few more questions about this installation and got some replies.

Frank Acland
August 9, 2018 at 5:49 AM
Dear Andrea,

1. Is the customer you are building the 40 MW E-Cat plant for in the United States?
2. Is this the largest installation you currently have?
3. Is this customer in the food processing industry (you have mentioned this previously).
4. Are you on site at this customer’s facility to supervise the construction?

Many thanks,

Frank Acland


Andrea Rossi
August 9, 2018 at 10:23 AM
Frank Acland:
1- the location of our Client is for now confidential. I can say the Client is one of the biggest entities of the world in its field, if not the biggest.
2- this is the largest installation we will have to make for the time being
3- I cannot answer this question in positive or in negative
4- not yet, at the moment we are deciding which modules to use ( SK or QX series ), hoping they will be SK, and we are starting with a certified engineer of the State where the Client is the procedures for the authorizations, in collaboration with the Client. I will be in the Customer facility surely in September to define the details for the installation of the plant. Eventually the production of the modules will be started, at this point I definitely would say within the year 2018.
Warm Regards,
A.R.


artefact • an hour ago
40 MW:

"Reactors plus heat exchanger 4 cubic meters, plus the control systems and the steam circuits"

1GW:
1000MW / 40 = 25 (times bigger)
25 * 4 cubic meter = 100 cubic meter
So a 1GW SK plant would need 2.5 40 cubic meter container plus space for the control system and the steam circuits.


tlp  artefact • 43 minutes ago
Quite small compared to a 1 GW nuclear power plant
Edit: 1 GW nuclear powerplant generates that much electricity, but in fact it needs to generate about 3 times of that heat, so 3 GW heat (2 GW is dumbed as waste heat)

But anyway small compared to any other existing power plants of similar capacity.




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Buck • 19 hours ago
Vinney below suggests that this customer is a petrochemical company. If this customer is Andeavor, then they are looking to test the Ecat on about 13% of their capacity.

Andeavor facilities have the capacity to distill 1.2 million gallons per day. It takes about 6kW to distill a gallon. Therefore, the 40MW Ecat plant will distill about 160k gallons per day, or just over 13%.

Marathon is purchasing Andeavor, so the impact to the US oil refinery capacity will in time be much larger.

Yesterday, the WSJ reported that US Oil refiners are showing significantly higher quarterly profits per barrel. The number that sticks out is about $15/barrel or about $0.36 per gallon of a 42 gallon barrel. Using the 6kW/gallon estimate, this provides one the opportunity to estimate how the use of the Ecat will materially increase the reported profit per barrel by focusing on the easier to assess before and after cost of grid supplied heat.


Gerard McEk  Buck • 18 hours ago

I am not sure how much of that price would be the fuel cost, but it will be considerable. If they will pay only 20% for heating with the Ecat, the advantage will be quite significant in that sector. No doubt other customers would follow quite quickly, when it works out well.


Paul Smith  Gerard McEk • 17 hours ago
It seems that the Customer will pay 80% (save 20%),, from this messages:

Herta Hoster August 9, 2018 at 2:05 AM
Dr Andrea Rossi,
How much will save the client of the 40 MW plant you will deliver?
Thanks if you can answer,
H.H.

Andrea Rossi August 9, 2018 at 2:22 AM
Herta Hoster:
About the 20% respwect what the Client is spending now.
Warm Regards,
A.R.


Gerard McEk  Paul Smith • 14 hours ago
Thanks Paul, I remembered it wrong indeed.



Buck  Paul Smith • 17 hours ago
If one assumes that Andeavor pays $0.05/kWh, then the current cost to distill a gallon is $0.30. With the 20% savings, the new cost is $0.24.

Given the WSJ reported profit/barrel of about $0.36/gallon of a 42 gallon barrel, the full implementation of the Ecat will drop about $0.06 to the bottom line. A 16% boost in profits.


causal observer  Paul Smith • 17 hours ago
Level of certainty suggsts that Rossi has a price point with lots of profit margin factored in.


Jimr • 20 hours ago
Could Rossi mean 40 mw hours. The numbers and size do not work out for me.



Jimr  Jimr • 18 hours ago
Rossi may have meant 100kw modules. With 10kw modules it would take 4000. At 25x25x18 cm you could squeeze 100 in a cubic meter X 4 is only 400. Let me know if my math is wrong.



bfast  Jimr • 19 hours ago
I think he means 40Mwh/Hr.


tlp  bfast • 14 hours ago
And that is same as 40MW


Vinney • 20 hours ago
This would be for a petrochemical company, and most probably for 'fractional distillation'.
There would be orders for dozens of these in 2019.
The health and safety people would gladly have their gas fired boilers on standby for an E-cat closer to the distillation facility.
They would be hoping to eliminate the gas boilers that also necessitate a larger and remote siting.
Because the E-cat heating elements are surrounded by water, there is no way an E-cat plant could ignite any escaped gas from the distillation facility.
It is good Rossi is moving quickly to bigger, single installations. They are easier to secure against IP theft and industrial espionage, and to maintain and control remotely.



Inference news --- SK passed its second set of tests and the newest "up rated" SK goes forward into a trial installation at a customer's site.  

Rossi's current total development focus is now on MUCH BIGGER REACTOR types, in the past this was called a Tiger E-Cat.  This change is very likely simply indicative of his Industrial Refiner Customers requests and the ever larger reactor size of his general Industrial market demand.  

It also indicates that his team has had yet another breakthrough epiphany set concerning output / cooling / output rating balances on the ever bigger and bigger side of things.

Right now just one or two of his smallest reactors could do a movable to room room space heater in your house just fine.

Just one or two of his SK reactors (at current output levels) could heat your whole house on a simple baseboard circulating hot water system.

Just one or two of his newest Tiger sized units could power your car or truck across the country and back 10 times, easily, while being run at idle levels.
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Re: LENR (ongoing)
Reply #61 - 08/30/18 at 08:43:02
 

https://www.marketwatch.com/press-release/deneum-proves-feasibility-hypothesi...

Researchers are now looking hard at "cold fusion" knowing that it is possible and that it can be approached from many pathways.

This new Deneum pathway tilts more towards traditional fission tech controls/cooling and finds that you can do cold fusion using some of those same techniques and elements.

This opens the question, "has this been going on all along ???"    Folks have asked that about mercury vapor lamps, arc spot lights, early florescent bulbs and the answers have been yes, possibly all along at some minor level.  

It goes to explain why the things all run so durn hot and get still efficiency numbers that were "much improved" over the previous techs.

Now it is being asked about fission tech and getting the same answers.   Elemental transformation shift chains from element to element to element may have been going on all along as byproducts of the very energetic fission reactions.

https://deneum.com/pdf/White_Paper.pdf


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..... do you think maybe these guys are SERIOUS this time?
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Reply #62 - 09/03/18 at 19:55:08
 

Rossi announces his finalized power levels after he started running a new one month qualification test series for the SK reactor.   (Rossi has already gotten the first weeks run data which has led to the new "finalized" power levels announcements).

All of this is in preparation for the BIG PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT and the first small assembly line production start up (with kick off demonstration) planned for Januart 31 of 2019.

So far Rossi has not melted his stuff down like Mills has done (repeatedly) and Rossi has a significant business partner now in ABB to do "nanny duty" for him and that nanny partner has all the knowledge and skilled resources that keep Rossi both on track and productive.   ABB does power generation, and they do robotics and they do automated assembly lines and they have a world-wide distribution network.  

A most excellent match for a Rossi business partner.

QX unit has settled in at a 1 kilowatt QX output level (thick pencil / pen marker sized reactor)  and a SK unit (half a coke can tall, smaller diameter than a coke can) that is now earmarked for a conservative 10 Kilowatt output.    These are the two sizes Rossi will be going with for public introduction and his "you buy the heat, we own the equipment" first business plan.

The SK can obviously put out more heat than this, as can the QX ---- but by coming in out of the gate a little conservatively Rossi can provide a more settled environment with enough "backup units are already installed in your initial set up" for full redundancy in those first installations.  

Why all the caution ????  Rossi also has to ABSOLUTELY HAVE THE THINGS LAST THE FULL ADVERTISED PERIOD, which is a hard claim to make since he hasn't actually run them that long without changing something.

And most importantly not doing any melting down, ever.    Randal Mills has made everyone very sensitive to this meltdown thing by melting his latest sun cell stuff down jest too too too many times in a row now.

Not having any bobbles or failures is VERY important to Rossi right now.    His first new users have to get what they ordered power-wise in a calm bobble free fashion.   This means if the things go in in banks, Rossi can safely switch off an entire bank for maintenance while working the full load off of the other bank (or banks, since some installations seem to be relatively larger).   His redundancy factor is large right now as his formal reliability track record is being discovered here as he goes.

Running under lighter stress and at lower power levels is simply smart business right now, less bobbles and less chance of a heat spike/meltdown.

Rossi has hinted at larger Tiger-sized reactors are in the development pipeline again, which will be a good thing when they are finished up.    However, right now the larger "super powered output levels" ares out of favor at the moment due to Randal Mills nasty habit of keeping on keeping on melting down his bigger units, jest a melting them down into glowing slag repeatedly which stupid activity is scaring his investors away in droves ......


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So, Mills Brilliant Power is out of the picture at the moment due to another full scale large (total reactor is gone yet again) meltdown.    

Randal Mills has no current proven working design, in other words.   Harsh, but true.

Deneum (up a post or two from this one) is the only working semi-competitor Rossi has right now but they are still fairly experimental and quite small in nature.    They just did some demos and collected a few million dollars in new funding, however.

https://youtu.be/g1e3jPOTQZg            this is Deneum's current installed level

Brillouin is way way down on output power compared to Rossi or Mills, and as such is not a serious contender any longer for commercial implementation.   Brillouin (and Industrial Heat who owns a majority share) are trying to sell their ideas in the Middle East to raise some investment money, but are getting no takers at the moment.



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Something new is being openly discussed, and that is what the transformation actions are doing to the reactor vessels in all of these various systems that Bob Greenyer at MFMP has looked at over the last year, and most specifically a lot of the materials changes information are coming from the used LION reactors which were given to MFMP be studied.  

The LENR transformation stuff is actually changing the reactor vessel walls, putting a predictable "end of function life" to these cells which tends to explains why Rossi always insists on using small replaceable reactor cells in all his stuff.    He realizes that the reactor units basic structural walls and electrical elements each have a function life span issue due to what happens inside them at the atomic level, apart from just using up the fuel in the cell.

What changes ????    This is all very short range activity, but the atoms of the stuff the reactor is made from change over time, salting in lots of isolated replacement transformed atoms inside these solid materials.   The integrity of the materials shifts, in other words.

Mankind's knowledge of "stuff" is gonna change due to LENR ---- right now we see elemental things as immutable and really, they are not really so fixed at all.

And the thought that elements can only form inside a supernova ---- wrong.  

Completely wrong.
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Re: LENR (ongoing)
Reply #63 - 09/07/18 at 23:02:47
 


Do you think the Europeans are aware of lithium based LENR reactions?    I tend to think so ......







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http://e-catworld.com/2018/09/10/rossi-decision-made-to-start-industrializati...


Rossi: Decision Made to Start Industrialization With 10 kW SK E-Cats

Posted on September 10, 2018 • 60 Comments

Andrea Rossi had been reporting recently on the Journal of Nuclear Physics that his team at Leonardo Corporation had been testing two E-Cat SK reactors rated at 10 kW each to see if they would be suitable for building the first industrial E-Cat plants.

Rossi says that last night (Saturday, September 8th 2018) they decided that they have decided to use the SK reactors instead of the smaller 1kW QX E-Cats. He had said that they would run a 10-day test, but it apparently only was six days, having started on Monday.

Rossi had admitted that moving ahead with the E-Cat SK does entail some risk, since it has not been put through the months-long Sigma 5 testing that the smaller QX reactor went through, but it is a risk he is willing to take apparently. He stated
“the Sigma 5 reaches with the Ecat QX helps the trust in the SK version.”

So what happens next? I asked Rossi this question and his answer was simply “industrialization.” As far as when the first plants would be delivered to customers, he wrote to Gerard McEk this: “We will begin to deliver in 2019, surely not in January. By January we would start the production.”

As best as I can understand things, the actual starting of industrial production had been on hold until Leonardo had decided which reactors they would be building. Now that decision has been made, one would expect that they would start to move onto production.

We will have to wait and see how things progress now. The next important public event will be the product introduction of E-Cat products which Rossi has said he hopes to hold in January. I don’t think he will hold that event unless they have had success with the production process by that time.



This is Rossi crossing his Rubicon.   He is committed to a production process, a public roll out and a first shipments scenario the first month of next year.

Rossi will continue testing the reactors he has lit sitting in his lab, but since they are the same construction as before and his new controller tricks are working as expected he is Good to Go for the first of next year.

People are asking about Rossi's promised Sigma 5 testing, this is ongoing concurrent with what he has been doing and the full Sigma 5 testing series will continue with these and with the original sets of reactors which have been on test for months now.  

By the first of next year, Sigma 5 testing should be complete and the breakdown analysis of the first reactors completed.

Rossi is feeling mounting pressure from the other groups who are rolling towards first unit sales.   The other groups ARE NOT doing all the Rossi "cautious Sigma 5 testing" and you can count Randal Mills last full reactor melt down as a result of his hurry up to production mentality.



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How big is a single 10 kw SK reactor?    

About the same size as a little bitty 6 oz. can of tomato paste.


(please remember they will come in bank assemblies of 5 and 10 count for industrial uses)



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Re: LENR (ongoing)
Reply #64 - 10/30/18 at 22:11:35
 

General Update leading up to the big reveal on January 31st, 2019

OK, this will be an Internet Conference, not a physical "you can touch it" conference for all us normal people to attend.  Physical guests will only be very very few and a real reactor will NOT be available as the Conference Hotel has decided it is a friggin' fusion plant and it is WAY TOO DANGEROUS to be in the hotel.  

The reactor shown on January 31st will be a video feed from an unknown site.

The Russians had a big conference this past October and progress levels and strange radiation detection and shielding/buffering were openly discussed.  Everyone that attended is getting all the stuff that they either picked up there, or got shipped to them by agreement.   Parkhomov turned loose the design for his strange radiation producing "woodpecker" device so lots of folks are working on figuring out confirmations on shielding methods to buffer strange radiation.

Yes, it is real.   Yes, strange radiation converts the walls of the reactor vessel causing it to lose structural integrity over time, which is why Rossi always bases his little reactors to be drop in replaceable units that are only good for about a year which is all they can take before internal alteration and possible crumbling starts.

There is a massive interest now being shown by Forbes and other financial magazines.   They are running historical "catch up" articles to get their readership up to date.   This is world changing stuff, and a lot of money will be made by someone very shortly.

Randal Mills and the SunCell is pretty much out of contention as Brilliant Power has melted down all their SunCell reactors like 4 times last year with much much work and many many dollars spent on these trials to no real avail.  Mills has lost most of his pre-existing long term backers at this point in time.

Brillouin's base patents only cover a 2-3 COP reactor that will "strange radiation alter"  its large complicated fixed reactor vessel (using constantly replaceable powder in the same vessel) into structural garbage inside a couple of calendar years.  

Brillouin is also been using some Rossi patented tricks that they have NO RIGHTS TO USE and thus Brillouin can only peddle their stuff in China and other obscure Eastern countries that have no patent rights enforcement.    Industrial Heat and Brillouin are actually one in the same, but Brillouin is being used as the "sue you cut out" for Industrial Heat as IH has court orders lodged against them forcing them to turn over and destroy all the restricted Rossi information that Brillouin is still using.

The US Military has Boeing and other military contractors are working with Rossi's tech on jet engines, unmanned submarine very small power reactors and lots of smaller uses like mobile heat and power systems.   This are all still very black projects and top secret, but the technical papers put out by DARPA and the various military quarterly reports leak LENR activity around the edges.

To say that "industrial espionage" is active around Rossi's partner's facilities is very much a understatement.   Rossi has shown that total secrecy is the only protection his work really has, but even total secrecy isn't going to stop so many world class spies prying at his secrets.

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Reply #65 - 11/04/18 at 00:44:35
 

http://e-catworld.com/2018/11/03/rossi-20-kw-e-cat-sk-to-be-shown-working-at-...

OK, what exactly is going to be shown on the internet video cast on January 31, 2019 ???

Frank Ackland has been putting together and forwarding a list of pertinent questions for the ever secretive Rossi to "choose from to respond to" during his presentation, during which video cast filming Frank Ackland will be physically present to verify the actualities and note the test equipment makes and model numbers and verify the wire ups are as described, etc.   (this is what has been asked for, anyway).

First fruits to the peanut gallery is that Rossi has had to pre-admit to Frank that he has DOUBLED the rated power output of his larger SK reactor using the data from his 5 sigma run offs.   He had to give this news out to Frank now as far too many of the questions Frank had forwarded to Rossi presupposed the old 10kw output levels of his SK reactor and many of the questions simply did not apply at all to a 20kw output SK reactor.  

This sort of rate increase thing was expected by me since it is my ignorant unsubstantiated opinion that Rossi's reactor can actually output a lot more, but outputs still have to be very carefully matched to a much higher capacity FAST RESPONDING cooling load in order to safely "drown out any and all potential heat spikes" that still could occur.

Proof of this pudding comes from the 5kw to 10kw to 20kw output progression inside the first half a year of running.   I doubt this progression of output levels is over, and the 20kw output level may become a 30kw or more before next year.

Ideally, when much much more is known about the reactor's thermal characteristics and the response characteristics of the monitoring system and the responsiveness of the cooling loads then higher outputs should be able to be applied to a slowly changing load, one that naturally changes much slower than the response time of the controller and the reserve cooling load.   Rossi will always require a much more massive cooling pool to pull from, as "quenching a spike" is a key element in his safety factor.

Remember, fast high capacity variable control of the cooling load is a key element of the current control system as Rossi must be able to drown out his largest possible heat spikes at will, very very quickly.


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It is clear that a single copy of the current 20 kw single reactor unit can do home space heating and hot water heating (same simple unit, actually).  

People were hoping Rossi will show a gas turbine / generator use as such could charge an electric car battery or a home-wall style power storage unit.   By going as an integrated part of a home-wall electrical system, this same more complex unit could also do water heating and space heating duties in the winter as a free byproduct of power production as there will be waste heat generation involved.    In the summer, excess heat can be converted to AC using propane type AC technologies or else simply dumped outside by a heat exchanger.


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Two new factoids surfaced today in the last 12 hours of Rossi speak communications.   They got pounced on and re-asked by Frank Ackland in a very clear, concise manner that got promptly answered by Rossi (eliminating both assumption errors and any language misunderstandings).

First, the first of the promised automated assembly lines are operational and were used to make the units to be shown in the demo.   Manufacturing has commenced with a line for the reactors and a line for the controllers.    Rossi has supplied trial units for his Industrial Partner and for a select few first customers, all under the tightly controlled  "Rossi retained ownership, just selling you the heat" system.

Second, the control unit will run off of a single 15-20 amp breaker 115 volt house line.   What follows supposes the reactor and control box draws the whole potential current from the 20 amp line, but using the largest wall socket amperage the minimal resulting COP for the 20 kilowatt reactor has an absolute minimum COP of 100, a minimum theoretical COP that is assuming all power possible is taken from the wall socket.

Rossi has never pulled full power from his lines before, being a cautious inventor type he consistently never draws more than half the available power from a line as brown outs do happen and accidentally destroying all his work isn't in Rossi's deck of cards (very very much unlike Randal Mills and the folks over at Brilliant Power that is).

Past experience from Rossi is his largest current draw period is to ignite the process, followed by prolonged periods of "control only" very low current draw.   This pattern should repeat with the new SK reactor units.

Rossi has also alluded to "similar COP levels" to his last demo, which depending on what was considered as part of inputs ranged from 200 to 500 COP back then.    Rossi also states the controller can run "up to 100 multiple reactors" but it is still unclear what portion of the potential 20 amps is being taken off the 20 amp fused circuit going to the controller box.

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Reply #66 - 11/17/18 at 12:22:12
 

http://e-catworld.com/2018/11/14/rossi-open-heart-inspections-of-the-e-cat-du...

Rossi breaks the silence on his cancers, surgeries and treatments.   He also discusses what silly things he did that got him direct exposure to significant amounts of direct LENR UV light and some microwave like strange radiation.   Yes, he would habitually opened the shielding so he could directly see (using welding googles) into his active reactors with his Mark I basic equipment eyeballs, watching them for hours for minute flickering changes.

Rossi did not set up a EUV filter equipped video camera and a monitor, which would have saved him from direct exposure because his camera wasn't capable of the very high frequency detail resolutions.

Yes, Rossi habitually opened the shielding so he could directly see into his active reactors using welding googles augmented by hand held frequency and polarization filters, watching the reactor plasma for hours on end for ongoing tiny flickering changes.   This LENR stuff emits microwave like "strange" electromagnetic radiations and a lot of UV light, not any atomic particles like in fission.   It can still give you cancer though.  Now you understand the hair and the voice changes, Rossi had gotten "face, skin & throat cancer" in locations where the LENR sun shined on him.

Why is Rossi being so open about this now?   He is not saying anything now that would not be discovered soon enough anyway, and he feels it is important to bring all his experiences out into the light in order to explain why he simply isn't going for ANY consumer products right now, he is only going for Commercial applications with locked barrier secured, remote, well designed and well shielded applications that will be tended only by trained & certified maintenance people.

He also admits that a household table top microwave oven has more layers of shielding to it than his SK reactor actually requires and those table top microwave ovens can pass UL all the time because both the radiations and shielding are very clear and well understood.  

Rossi thinks that the large number of radar operators and maintenance men that got cancer and died early because of war time exposure to unshielded microwave energy was a direct result of "the habitual keeping of military secrets" and by being totally open about his own long term exposures and resulting cancers Rossi hopes to cut down on the number of people who will be harmed by early LENR installations.

In any case, Rossi is actually stepping back some from the habitual levels of total secrecy he has embraced previously.

Rossi is acting like he has total confidence in the SK reactor performing to published specifications.  The thing he seems to want now most of all is a COMPLETELY SAFE roll out of the new energy source.

And this requires folks to understand the inherent dangers with the new LENR stuff they are working with ......
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Reply #67 - 12/02/18 at 08:46:46
 

At the end of this upcoming month (January) Rossi will show off the Ecat SK working in an industrial plant as a source of large hot water space heating.  He will also start taking orders at that point for installations (Leonardo retains all control and ownership, Leonardo just provides heat at a discount to those who meet the secure location criteria, etc.)

We are now seeing a coordinated media attack using out of context old blurbs from all over the 13 intervening  years, calling Rossi a fraud and saying the E-cat is bogus (comments were originally aimed at older E-Cat generations, generally speaking, but the point is all the same).   We expect that the original authors will not appreciate this misuse of their out of context words, as they are actually going be the ones to look ignorant when the demo is made and the E-Cat sells in as a solid technology.

Big Oil would be one source that would have the motivation for such an EXPENSIVE and extensive media attack.   So would petro-driven Russia (who would stand to lose a chunk of their major national income source which is all oil and natural gas based).

This approach feels Russian, it is the same approach as was used in our recent elections.

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Reply #68 - 12/10/18 at 15:42:16
 

http://e-catworld.com/2018/12/10/blp-suncell-test-to-destruction-video/

This is the video link below, click on it to run the meltdown video.   Takes Mills less than a minute to destroy 7 months worth of work.


https://youtu.be/-wvMmdF8gBM          < click on the red link to watch the video <<<<<<


You can see why Randal Mills and Brilliant Light are losing backers right and left at the moment, Mills still has no real control of his reaction at all.    Mills is still searching for his controllable reaction, and he has gone through DOZENS of reactor design iterations so far with the same exact results.

Rossi could not have paid for a better set up video for his calm, boring demo of a safe reliable space heating LENR plant.   Boring is good, certainly when compared to this very expensive and dangerous sort of nonsense.    You have to wonder what sorts of radiations Mills and his boys have gotten themselves exposed to  ....... something bad although their cumulative exposure times will have been necessarily very very short.      Grin


From the Comments section:
Anon2012_2014 • 10 hours ago


It is clear that the discolored segment of the reactor vessel is receiving excess heat from the interior, perhaps from hydrino reactions (or to rule it out electrical or conventional chemical), or perhaps from another source. It then rapidly overheats until the metal of the reactor vessel no longer has the strength to hold into the interior gas contents and blows out. At that point, the hot plume of gas escapes the reactor while what appear to be "sparks" of combusting iron on exposure to air (from what may be the reactor vessel alloy) also go flying out.

The blowout is not as interesting as what was happening on the inside to heat that portion of the reactor vessel and not the rest of it. A diagram should show that right away.

Assuming there is only a small amount of O2 inside the vessel and that it is evenly mixed with the H2, there is no explanation for why the smaller 3 inch section of the vessel gets incandescently hot and not the entire vessel. This may be due to the arc method of ignition in the BLP rig selectively heating that area, or due to the hypothesized hydrino reaction occurring at the surface of the arc


Now somebody will attack Rossi for his "recent dangerous failure" knowing perfectly well that it was Randal Mills and the BLP Hydrino people's test and not Rossi's test at all.
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Haven't been able to read the comment section for awhile now.
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something is definitely wrong with the test setup.  Bolts don't glow red during the conduct of a test.  Must've been no pressure involved or the endcap would've blown off.
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Reply #71 - 12/11/18 at 19:26:09
 

Reading the comments is now getting deep into transformational physics, something which is so theoretical that it can come across as rather "mystical sounding" at times.

You can liquefy metals at low temperatures, you can form glowing plasmas at room temperature, you can disrupt materials and change the materials in small locations, sometimes disrupting the desired properties of your reactor vessel in unfortunate ways (see Mills video above).    

Mills has gone back to his clear quartz glass reactor vessels again, steel apparently isn't something that is going to work reliably for him at all.

Yes, Excess Energy can be had, but when you play around with transformational energy you can expect to see the strange radiation effects that come along with it and, well, some unplanned material transformations can take place in your reactor vessel itself if you make it out of steel.

What is good shielding?   Mylar plastic and aluminum foil layers, repeated 4-6 times.   A "space blanket" is fairly good shielding .......  same stuff that has been found at UFO crash sites and was discounted as an experimental weather balloon material back in the 50's.  

Yes, Versy, you need to sign up for the site now as they will kick folks off fairly quickly now for acting trollish.   The whole site gets attacked by persons unknown at times and unless you are known (registered) you can't get back on when it comes back up.    

The entire E-Cat World site thing acts like it is under siege sometimes.

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News from the last week or so ......

First Commercial E-Cat Installation cranked up November 19th ......  it is a 27 kilowatt rated circulating hot water heating system that operates off a standard commercial on-off thermostat with a 5 degree temperature variation in the on-off function.   This means on-off cycling the E-Cat can happen inside a 2-3 minute time span ......   Rossi is now building up the 10s of thousands of hours of safe operation needed to apply for other more home based safety certifications.

Rossi is now ready to go sell some heat, his commercial certifications are in order and he is ready to go.

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Reply #72 - 01/16/19 at 07:18:28
 
 
As we barrel down on the E-Cat presentation any new information is becoming very sparse, but this nugget released by Matts is very very real sounding.

Rossi is OK'ing some new Info from Matts Lewan, his biographer and publicist of many years now.  The information released is "background info that is needed to be understood to understand the demo in a full fashion" and seems to be just that, critical info that if not pre-distributed would result in a demo clogged up with way too too many background questions instead of paying attention to the main points being shown.

https://animpossibleinvention.com/2019/01/16/the-moment-of-truth-is-getting-c...

At the online presentation (more info at http://www.ecatskdemo.com) Rossi plans to show a two-hour video of a device already in operation, reportedly heating an industrial premises of about 250 square meters in the US to 25°C since Nov 19, 2018. At the presentation, he will provide details regarding the commercial launch, but here is what I have been told and what I have concluded so far:

The actual device, containing one reactor, has a maximum thermal power output of 35 kW. It measures 93x40x47 cm, and it consumes a small amount of electricity for the control system.
The customer pays for the output thermal energy minus the input electric energy which is fed from an outlet in the customer’s premises, with the electric measurement controlled by the customer.

The core temperature inside the reactor reportedly reaches a temperature about 10,000°C, heating a coolant through an in-built heat exchanger. The standard version of the E-Cat can heat water or steam up to 500-600°C. Using a different heat exchanger and other coolants, significantly higher temperatures can be reached, essentially limited only by the material properties of the heat exchanger.

The heating device is called the E-Cat SK, named after late Swedish physicist Sven Kullander, and could be considered the fourth generation of the E-Cat technology which is based on LENR, Low Energy Nuclear Reactions, easiest described as radiation-free nuclear power; It has the extremely high energy density of nuclear reactions compared to chemical reactions, but emits almost no radiation, uses no radioactive fuel, produces no radioactive waste, and uses only minute amounts of abundant elements such as hydrogen, nickel, lithium and aluminium.

LENR is a physical phenomenon which has been confirmed in scientific experiments and reported in over a hundred peer-reviewed papers over the last decades, albeit with low repeatability. However, a widely accepted theory explaining the physics behind LENR is still lacking.

Industrialisation of the E-Cat SK has been going on for about a year, since the demo of its predecessor, the QX, in Stockholm, Sweden in December 2017. It contains no unusual components and could easily be manufactured by subcontractors at any time now, at a pace of thousands of units a day.

The two main aspects of the E-Cat technology that are kept secret by the inventor are the fuel preparation and the electronic control system.
The E-Cat SK is monitored remotely. It is sealed and essential parts will auto-destruct if the seal is broken.

In earlier generations of the E-Cat technology, the energy producing reaction was started essentially by heating the reactor slowly, while in the the third and fourth generation—the E-Cat QX and the SK—the reaction is started and stopped instantaneously by a control system using electric and electromagnetic means.

The reaction emits very low levels of electromagnetic radiation—the same kind as e.g. light, radio waves, and microwaves. The wavelength is essentially between 300 and 330 nanometers, slightly shorter than UV-light from the sun. No other kind of radiation from the E-Cat has ever been detected.

Inside the device casing but outside the reactor, at a distance of 1 cm from the reactor wall, the radiation level is reportedly between 0.06 and 0.16 µSv/h—slightly above background level which is 0.05-0.07 µSv/h—in a day adding up to approximately one arm X-ray. Outside the device, however, the radiation level from the process is zero, due to shielding.

[Comment:] The reported radiation value in µSv (micro Sievert) might be irrelevant since Sievert is a unit describing health effects from doses of so called ionising radiation, i.e. radiation with energy levels high enough to detach electrons from atoms or molecules. The lowest energy level required for radiation to be ionising is 10 eV per photon which corresponds to a wavelength of about 120 nanometers. With wavelengths of 300 to 330 nanometers, the radiation from the E-Cat reaction is carried by photons with an energy of about 4 eV, thus clearly non-ionising. As a comparison, photon energies in medical X-rays are more than 10,000 times higher, ranging from about 50,000 to 100,000 eV.



Fulvio Fabiani gets his due credit

By the way, I would like to share my impression that the groundbreaking control system of the E-Cat QX and the SK, is the result of a kind of dreamteam consisting of the genius Andrea Rossi, with elusive and creative ideas about physics and about what he thinks could be possible, and of electric engineer and computer scientist Fulvio Fabiani, not only being an expert on electronics but also being capable of interpreting Rossi’s wild and hard-to-grasp ideas, transforming them into real electronic circuits actually performing the job Rossi had in mind.



Folks, scam artists don't worry about "giving the correct credit that is due" while DOCUMENTING all the gut details of a scam .......   these folks are writing for the history books and in fact Matts Lewan is in fact writing the definitive historical source document as we speak.

This bit was new (new to me anyway).    The core temperature inside the reactor reportedly reaches a temperature about 10,000°C, heating a coolant through a built-in heat exchanger. The standard version of the E-Cat can heat water or steam up to 500-600°C. Using a different heat exchanger and other coolants, significantly higher temperatures can be reached, essentially limited only by the material properties of the heat exchanger.

Some sort of fission reactor cooling tech is being used here as "10,000 degrees C down to 600 degrees C inside a built in heat exchanger" is the key secret that has eluded Randal Mills and his Brilliant Power crew so far.

It also explains why Rossi builds such TINY plug-in type reactor cells.  Rossi KNOWS the service life of his little reactors and they plug in and out like batteries do simply because they are done after a little over a year of use.   Why?  Transformation reactors change the very structural materials they are built from as well as the fuel they "burn".  

Mills took the track of "clear as glass and strong as hell" using constantly refreshed fuel but he then simply melted his reactor down (a dozen times at least) because quartz glass may transmit 99% of the light readily, but it stops some of it and it just gets hotter and hotter and hotter accordingly.   None of Mills reactors have lasted anywhere near a year yet, not by a long shot.

The E-Cat reactor inside a heat exchanger inside a heat exchanger also inherently provides the needed SHIELDING, not so much from the upper level EUV radiation but from the "strange radiation" which is getting the additional shielding layers put in place until it is all fully understood and mapped out.    

Countertop microwaves and dentists X-ray machines are examples of  "potentially dangerous" equipment that can be UL certified after they are fully understood and properly shielded.

Rossi is fixated on not harming anybody with his reactor, ever.   He gets reminded of this every time he speaks or looks in a mirror.
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Reply #73 - 01/18/19 at 02:36:37
 

Nuggets of brand new stuff tare coming second hand from discussions with Matts, which then are asked of Rossi and then confirmed by Rossi with mild additional information added.

Mats Lewan  Dr. Mike • 2 days ago
1. If you have a few customers replacing existing heat sources with the E-Cat SK, they will soon be able to tell whether the E-Cat provides the same thermal power as the previous system since they know their own process and its energy consumption well. And since the input electric power supposedly is a fraction of the output power, we don't need exact numbers. Just a definite observation that the E-Cat produces much more thermal power than the input electric power.
2. Rossi told me that the plasma in the reactor core heats the wall of the primary side of the heat exchanger directly. No fluid, or possibly air or some gas used in the core.


Mats Lewan  GiveADogABone • 16 hours ago
Interesting. Remember that what has made the transition from the 20-40W QX to the 35 kW SK is essentially only a more effective way to transfer heat from the reactor core as far as I have understood. It's basically the same reactor but operating at full power instead of with a very limited power due to risk for overheating and melting down.

GiveADogABone  Mats Lewan • 11 hours ago
The QX radiation has to pass through the transparent ceramic? cylindrical tube to reach the heat exchanger surface. The SK removes that obstruction in the manner you state. Your 'more effective way to transfer heat' is the removal of the transparent tube which must have its own temperature/pressure limits and just gets in the way of the radiation. The removal of the transparent tube will also make the SK much more robust, particularly to thermal shock.

Once the whole construction (pressure tubes and vacuum tank) is high temperature metal alloys that can be cooled by internal water flow channels much higher powers must be available (cf. an internally cooled gas turbine engine).

I note the 100kW version of the SK is in R&D :
Andrea Rossi January 17, 2019 at 11:01 AM
Toussaint Francois:
The SK 100 is in the R&D phase.

I have no idea where the size/power limit might be.


OK, this 4 party exchange brings up new facts, there is a new variant of E-Cat with potentially much higher outputs than 35 kilowatts --- 100 kilowatts is the first mentioned numbers.

Second, unnamed 100 kw reactor is the same size as the existing SK reactor, but the unnamed does not have a quartz tube in it to melt down, it simply has all radiation directly impinging on fast pumped coolant coils which use excess cooling capacity to keep things in control.

Once again, better cooling is the key that unlocks higher power levels.

At 100 kw reactor output, whole house power, heat and cooling from a single reactor Trane Central Unit become theoretically possible.   Doubling the reactors to two would provide ample service backup for a constant function unit.

When the 100 kw unit proves out, you unlock the potential automobile uses providing the net cooling system on the car can handle the heat spikes.   Cars then enter into the discussion, most likely as a constant run generator system that charges a moderate sized battery set on an otherwise electric vehicle.   Once again, two reactors to provide service backup would be needed.

Also note, the current size of the reactor and primary heat exchanger still remain mostly the same at 100 kw, but cartridge replacement frequency would likely be a factor of miles driven.

The same power generation technology developed for cars works in houses and vice versa, so new advancements in power generation off of LENR heat will be quite rapidly accomplished.
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Leonardo Corporation to Introduce Revolutionary New E-Cat SK Heating Technology in Worldwide Broadcast (Press Release)
Posted on January 21, 2019 • 45 Comments

The following press release has been published by Leonardo Corporation, and the original is posted here:

https://www.prweb.com/releases/leonardo_corporation_to_introduce_revolutionar...

Leonardo Corporation to Introduce Revolutionary New E-Cat SK Heating Technology in Worldwide Broadcast


The E-Cat (Energy Catalyzer) is a newly-developed heating technology with an extremely high power density that will provide industrial-grade heat at costs well below those of conventional heating sources. In a live online broadcast on January 31, 2019, the E-Cat’s inventor, Dr. Andrea Rossi, will introduce the first commercial E-Cat product, show a demonstration of the technology, and answer questions from interested viewers.


MIAMI (PRWEB) JANUARY 21, 2019

Leonardo Corporation is pleased to announce that it will be presenting the worldwide introduction of its E-Cat SK product, a revolutionary cost-efficient clean energy technology, in a live streaming broadcast on January 31, 2019.

The E-Cat operates on the basis of physical principles which allow for energy production at power densities far higher than with fossil fuels. No radioactive fuels are used, and no radioactive waste is produced. The E-Cat SK produces kilowatts of energy while consuming only grams of inexpensive and abundant fuel (hydrogen, nickel, lithium) over a period of six months. E-Cat reactions do not involve any chemical combustion, so no greenhouse gas emissions are produced.

The E-Cat’s inventor, Andrea Rossi states, “I am delighted to have arrived at the point where I can introduce an industrial product to the world. My goal has always been not only to demonstrate an important discovery in a laboratory, but also to implement it into useful products that can have important benefits for mankind. E-Cat technology will allow businesses to become more profitable through the reduction of their thermal energy costs, and at the same time they will be reducing negative environmental impacts.” Dr. Rossi has patented the E-Cat in the United States (US patent no. US 9,115,913 B1) and the patent has also been granted in all of Europe, China, Russia, Japan, Mexico, Brazil, Chile, Australia, South Africa, and is pending in other countries.

The E-Cat SK is a product designed to be used in industrial settings where heat is required, ranging from simple space heating to applications where high temperatures are needed, including electricity generation.

Leonardo’s business model is based on delivering heat as a service. Leonardo retains ownership of the E-Cats and will install and remotely operate them. Customers pay for heat delivered at costs that will always be significantly lower (at least 20 percent lower) than the cost of any other energy source the customer may use.

The live broadcast will begin on January 31st at 9:00 a.m. US Eastern time at http://www.ecatskdemo.com. Live participants will be able to submit questions to Dr. Rossi who will answer them live during the presentation. Instructions on how to submit questions will be provided at the website above at the commencement of the presentation. The event will be recorded and be made available for later viewing.

Companies interested in discussing possible incorporation of E-Cat technology in their industrial operations are invited to contact Leonardo Corporation at info@leonardocorp1996.com



https://www.prnewswire.com/... (companion site to prweb)

http://www.wboc.com/story/3... (Fox, DelMar, VA)

https://www.nbc-2.com/story... (Fort Meyers broadcaster)

http://www.erienewsnow.com/... (Erie, PA)

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