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Reply #45 - 03/03/18 at 23:14:15
 

http://e-catworld.com/2018/03/01/rossi-higher-power-e-cat-reactor-being-teste...

Rossi: Higher Power E-Cat Reactor being Tested — QX Still to be First Product (Update #2: Prototype group set is 100 kW)

A prototype of the new large reactor has apparently been built, and Rossi has said that it must go through the same type of Sigma 5 testing that the E-Cat QX went through — which lasted about a year. So if Rossi does get a product under production this year, it will be E-Cat QX-based.

Rossi has always said that E-Cat R&D will never end. I would guess that it will be on the R&D side of things where Rossi will expend most of his efforts, as he most likely will be letting robotics experts and engineers deal with the production of the finished products, which Rossi has less experience with.


So, individual reactor cells are 80 watts, the first "full sized" matched up of controller and honeycombed reactor cell industrial units are coming in at a very marketable 100 kw.

100 kw is a lot of heat in a relatively small package.   100 kw can heat a moderate sized commercial building, run most baking and dryer lines in commercial space, run a low volume desalinization plant or power a steam car.

This is the 5 sigma test unit.



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Early results have ABB moving forward on 80 watt single cell based units (4x more output than originally planned) as the smallest unit and a new larger 100 watt single cell based unit as the current heavy duty cell unit.    Difference is mainly the size, the amount of powder contained inside each type of cell and the resulting increased duration of that charge.

Obviously, the higher capacity yet more durable cell is preferred for industrial applications.   Likely the second (larger, more durable cell) will be the one that goes forward into large scale production.

Since ABB got directly involved with the E-Cat industrial and electrical design, Rossi's E-Cats have at least quadrupled in heat output and have at least tripled in duration.   It is expected, quietly, that the larger unit may be able to at least do double the heat output compared to the existing design but may drop some in durability while being run at the higher output rates.  

Also, for the first time advances in the electronic controller has been fingered as the cause of the output shifts, with the reactor design being basically the same between the generations.

Go ABB, go .....

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ABB has implemented a "anti-tamper" system into the controller electronics that will result in electrical scrambling of the controller and a failure in the individual cells should someone go tampering with the system.

This means all Rossi's talk of requiring his technicians to come on your site to do all routine maintenance has gone by the board now -- you can buy plug in components and do yearly the replacement with your own people.

You will need to take great care not to "tamper" with anything though as your system will shut itself down if tampered with and the replacement cost and downtime costs of any "self destroyed" replacement components in that case is all yours to bear.

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Reply #46 - 05/10/18 at 18:42:27
 

OK,

Rossi and company are now putting assembly lines into their proposed plant building, with the lines being built from stock ABB robotic components and being assembled in Florida.   The plant is going together quickly, and is about half finished.

Rossi is building 100 watt singles to start, 13 of them (3 held in reserve for a durability factor) go into a single en-block 1 kilowatt enclosure complete with an electronics control package.   I kilowatt rack units are what is being produced, with higher capacity plants 1 megawatt plants to be put together using multiple 1 kilowatt enclosures sharing common plumbing.

Units will be sold late this year or early of next year.

This is manufacturing Stage 1, with the units already pre-approved with all testing being completed.   Within 2 years the second generation will have completed all approvals and testing (year long testing has started but is being held in complete secrecy by ABB).  

Ross has leaked the size of the new individual cells, 100 watts and 1000 watts so these are the medium and large cells discussed earlier this year.   There is a question about the 100 watt cell really being a slightly enlarged re-spec'd 80 watt cell.  ABB has designed the enclosures for Gen 1, 2 and 3 to fit the same mounts and size envelopes, and since the electronics are part of the enclosure itself upgrading between generations should be very easy.   Plug it in, bolt it down and hook up the plumbing fittings.

Expect a new generation every year to two years as more is known about how the stuff actually works.  

If you want to buy something, go buy some ABB stock.   Rossi still isn't selling anything.
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Reply #47 - 05/12/18 at 12:22:26
 
This ABB, is that the Sewdish Asea Brown Boveri,? or however it's spelt.
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Reply #48 - 05/12/18 at 15:35:28
 

https://www.youtube.com/user/ABBRobotics         yup, its a YouTube to show you the advanced small teachable two armed robot Rossi is using for direct process manipulation learning during development --- and a lot of single station pick and place robot arms for simpler tasks once a line flow is established.   All of these machines can be "trained", not programmed when modifications to processes are needed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABB_Group gives you the direct answer to your question.  Yes, you are correct.

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Reply #49 - 05/13/18 at 12:15:49
 
 
Ross has leaked the size of the new individual single cells, 100 watts and 1000 watts so these are the medium and large cells discussed earlier this year.   There is a question about the 100 watt cell really being a slightly enlarged re-spec'd 80 watt cell.

Grilling Rossi has confirmed a slight up shift in the specs of the 80 watt cell is what makes the 100 watt cell.   It contains more actual powder (a tighter fill) and because of changes in excitement programming it runs much longer SSD (self-sustain periods) which reach higher temperatures before peaking and declining into the next excite cycle.   (cycle used to be 6 seconds between excites --- is now "much longer")

Net effect is a higher rated cell output (100 watts) and a longer duration life span for the actual powder charge.  COP is higher, as less excite time is being used.

Only 10 of these single cells are required to make up a 1 kilowatt reactor rack set, but Rossi may well stick with the current rack set design for 13 single cells inside the box simply to have extra drop in cells available to forestall any service life curtailments and to give a yet longer overall service life to the initial 1 kilowatt reactor rack set.

Like the 20 watt and the 40 watt variants before them, the 80 watt cell design will now never be produced, now only the new and improved 100 watt version that is also undergoing new 5 sigma testing will actually be sold as the smallest unit.   This is the current plan.

What Rossi is showing us now is the early progress curve of a brand new tech, like electricity the constant improvements made early on that make it "better and better all the time".

5 sigma testing --- what is being stress tested is actually the new controller electronics and the new programming, the cells themselves are relatively unchanged apart from very minor tweeks and the general cell and rack set design has passed multiple 5 sigma runs at the different output levels already.

Rossi is always being technically CONSERVATIVE -- what he states and sells will always be less than he can really do --- he is increasing his margin for error for items lying outside his proper control.

Rossi is not leaking very much info about his larger 1000 watt single cell that is also undergoing 5 sigma testing, it is obviously a larger animal aimed at much larger commercial installations, perhaps intended for a single module plug in replacement system that is to be done by a commercial maintenance person -- each module would contain say 2-5 cells that would all get scrambled in case of any tampering.

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Reply #50 - 05/15/18 at 14:03:19
 

http://e-catworld.com/2018/05/14/rossi-ready-to-start-accepting-orders-for-1m...


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Rossi Ready to Start Accepting Orders For 1MW Plants

Posted on May 14, 2018 • 20 Comments

For people wanting to get to the head of the queue for ordering E-Cat Plants when they are ready, Andrea Rossi signaled today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics that he is ready to start entering in to customer agreements to do so.

Tom
May 14, 2018 at 8:54 AM
Dr Andrea Rossi:
Are you ready to accept orders for the industrial plants? If yes, how is possible to start a deal?
Thank you if you can answer,
Tom

Andrea Rossi
May 14, 2018 at 1:30 PM
Tom:
Yes, we are open now to begin to examine requests for 1 thermal MW plants, but only from industries that use directly the heat for their production process in their factories. For this utilization we have the necessary certifications and our industrialization is scheduled to start at the end of the year. Therefore the answer is YES, but the Customers must be aware of the fact that the delivery terms could be modified. The contracts will take in consideration this fact.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

A few things of note here: The output is 1 thermal MW, so it seems like that will be the minimum size. Rossi says that they will ‘examine requests’, so he might be selective about who gets the plants. It looks like to be considered you have to be a legitimate industrial customer who will use the heat in the production process — this is what the plants are certified for. The industrialization is ‘scheduled’ to start at the end of 2018, but that is not guaranteed at this point. There’s no mention of price, guaranteed COP or temperature range. There’s nothing yet on the ecat.com website yet, which is still showing data about the first generation plant, which is the low temperature model which was operated during the 1 year Doral test, but which hasn’t been on the market.


You can bet that Rossi will vet these first customers most carefully, both for secure locations and for "Honoring the Non-Disclosure Agreement" and PR history type reasons.

However, Rossi may also entertain sending a "don't go inside it" unit off to some significant and impressive (impartial) 3rd party test house to run it long term just for gaining some publicity about outside verification.

Rest assured that Rossi will only be selling the heat on these first few units, that he will retain ALL RIGHTS to hardware and software, period, with significant wording to the effect that that if the unit is "tampered with" all the resulting damages to HIS hardware/software will be paid out by the customer.

But, if Rossi really can provide heat energy at 1/10th of the net cost of natural gas, he will likely find some ready takers even to these restrictive terms.


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Rossi's announcement that he is vetting his first customers has shaken 3 other innovators out of their secrecy shield, with a chorus of "We are going to start taking pre-orders, too".

Now everything depends on the first gen product being totally ready.   Tesla and Westinghouse totally reconfigured the Original Generators at Niagara Falls three times in 10 years, lining up the generations as Station 1, 2, 3 just as fast as they could build them and in this new Rossi tech we see the same effects happening as the base tech is improving at least that rapidly as they figure out more and more of what they are doing.

Rossi and his backers feel that the small 100 watt reactor is going to be the guts of many many many appliance sized items and as such it needs to move on down the bulk industrialization approvals pathways (the only pathway to reality it has).   It needs years worth of totally safe run time in real applications before it can get into any single use home type applications inside your house.

The larger SK reactor (1,000 watts each) will take over much of the commercial market as soon as it becomes proven out, produced and sold.   This one will heat/cool your home and generate your power -- houses out away from power grids will become something for the masses at that point in time.

Solar is real, but requires too much collector room to be a individual's total access electrical power supply.    Tesla's power wall and his parked car used as a storage unit for generated electricity will also play in Rossi's roll out as it allows Rossi to sell in smaller "right sized" units instead of full capacity units (overkill).

You gotta heat your water and you gotta heat/cool your house.   Rossi fits there the best if he lives up to his early claims for low low low yearly cost.
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Reply #51 - 05/17/18 at 10:42:37
 

Rossi has broached several commercialization methods to help American Industry to move away from polluting, expensive Fossil Fuels -- this track is the lowest cost, lowest risk track suitable for a dubious customer as it required no up front money from him but it requires a 5 year commitment from the customer to utilize and pay for a Megawatt of Steam Heat continuously and uninterrupted for 5 years.   The cost is much lower than what the customer is currently paying, and it allows the customer to verify E-Cat's function and suitability at his own facility on his own production process needs while saving money for the customer.

This approach absolutely removes the "fear of obsolescence" which in this rapidly developing technology MUST be of real concern to any reasonable early adopter.   Since Rossi is accepting all the failure risks and obsolescence risks for the smaller 100 watt reactors, he must be very sure that he has a rock solid system that is really suitable for a 5 year run.   Upgrading at the end of a lease to the new "latest and greatest" would be a natural part of this sort of system.

And face it, 5 years worth of "settling in" will surely allow LENR reach some sort of a plateau in development and theoretical knowledge.   Or not, as the case may be.


Leonardo to Begin Commercialization by Selling Heat, not E-Cat Plants: Q & A With Andrea Rossi

Posted on May 17, 2018 • 5 Comments

Below is a Q & A exchange conducted today via email with Andrea Rossi seeking clarifications on his plans for the commercial roll-out of industrial E-Cats.

1. Can you explain why you have decided now to announce that you are taking orders for the industrial E-Cat plants?

Because if we make plants we need clients.

2. You have been developing industrial E-Cat products for many years now. However, first generation E-Cat plants, like the one you operated during the 1-year test in Doral, never went into mass production. What is different with the current generation of E-Cat?

The former Ecats were not ready to be operated from clients.

3. For someone hearing about the E-Cat for the first time, and interested as a possible customer, what information would you like to tell them about your product?

The Customer has just to know how much energy we deliver, in which form and at what price, plus the information that will be contained in the safety instructions. We will make the installation.

4. What size (in power rating) plants are you taking orders for?

1 MW

5. How much physical space would a 1 MW E-Cat plant occupy?

15′ x 9′ x 9′

6. If someone orders a plant today when can they expect to be able to receive it?

End 2018/2019 first quarter

7. Comparing an E-Cat plant to a typical natural gas heating system of the same power rating, about how much cheaper would it be to operate over one year?

Enough

8. You have mentioned recently for example that industrial plants could be installed in facilities like factories, hospitals and greenhouses which need heat. What would be your definition of an industrial application for an E-Cat?

An application wherein the heat is used by an industry for any purpose

9. What would be the approximate cost of a 1MW plant if it were ordered today?

We will sell heat, not plants

10. Is your business model now to only sell heat, or will you sell plants to customers in the future?

It will depend on the evolution of the situation

11. At the factories where you sell heat, will Leonardo personnel operate the plants, or will employees of the local company operate them?

The plant will be operated in remote from our headquarter, through the cloud with dedicated servers. The Client will not have any operations to do inside the plant.

12. When a customer makes an agreement with Leonardo, are they agreeing to pay just a monthly energy bill, or are there other up-front costs involves (such as installation fees)?

This will depend on the agreement

13. What is the minimum length of time for a contract duration?

5 years

14. What is the guaranteed minimum COP of an E-Cat plant?

Enough

15. What is the maximum temperature or steam that an E-Cat plant can produce?

600 C

16. Who will install E-Cat plants for customers?

Leonardo Corporation

17. How will training on how to operate an E-Cat plant be done?

The expert responsible for safety of the Client will make a course on site

18. Like with any product, a typical customer will more than likely want to see a demonstration of an E-Cat plant before making a decision to purchase. When will you show your new product, and demonstrate it in operation?

When one will be in operation



As soon as Industry accepts the E-Cat as both real and trustworthy, other deals may be offered.   This one has one key good point for Rossi, for the first 5 year period it helps Rossi keep his thumb firmly on his invention.

This will be necessary as the furor over this new tech will be extreme, and by buffering it in for 5 years in a somewhat limited fashion Rossi is allowing the Fossil Fuel Industry time to react and giving Industry in general time convert over to Rossi tech .....



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Andrea Rossi
May 17, 2018 at 1:23 PM

JPR:

As a matter of fact all the industrial secrets related to the control system will not be in the plant, but in our control headquarter; what will be found in the plant is already described in the patent, that for obvious reasons has been published in all the 57 Countries that have granted it. It will be like to steal the secrets of AT&T looking at the telephone set on the table of the sitting room. This will make us waste no time with fake-clients-real-spies, because at this point we will be contacted only by Customers that really want only to save money, when buying energy, not giving a darn about how it can happen. It should also speed up our penetration, because the Client has no risks, makes no investments, if he gets energy with a profit he pays, otherwise he does not pay and we get back the plant. In case of malfunction the Client can use his traditional system as a back up and all the risks are upon us.

Warm Regards,

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Reply #52 - 05/27/18 at 15:07:51
 

https://youtu.be/BHxHtjP3ddQ         a thick and chewy summarization of over a dozen LENR experimenters

Bob Greenyer is summarizing Parkhomov, the Lyon guys and the Ecco guys and a dozen others by putting predictive spreadsheet reaction tables together that predict what would likely assemble into what, assembling naturally during a natural series of up to dozens and hundreds of understood LENR energy producing reactions.  

Over 1,000 stages have been identified, stepping atoms up by tiny stages while only throwing non-ionizing output radiations and making no particles that can ever leave an electrical/magnetic containment field.

(yes, LENR takes place in nature --- this is becoming recognized more and more and more)

And yes, that is indeed what the boys are seeing in the higher energy reactors, things are combining in simple pairs and then re-pairing again and again into other combinations, busting open and settling back in various steps finally settling into a more stable set of heavier output elements.

Knowing what eventually becomes what suggests which pairings that can go into producing that end state with a maximized output of good usable heat energy while avoiding any nasty radiations.

It also shows ways to create layered reactor side barrier set ups that stop the bad stuff from getting out of the reactor by allowing them an instant pathway to a stable end state that "uses up the bad stuff" that is trying to get out.

Greenyer also finds he has explanation now for the "disappearing tungsten milling ball mass" that was seen in ultrasonic milling operation that was being routinely done by Sudhas to super-clean his materials.

For fast action LENR, you need a plasma state.  You can get it by discharge, by cavitation, by small area impact (ball milling), you can do it in an electro plating arrangement --- we seem to keep finding new ways to do it.

Rossi uses a tiny electrical lamp type plasma, which he cuts on and off quite frequently to regulate any over run into higher than desired energy state reactions.   Rossi uses nickel and lithium as his feed stocks and he makes a range of "safe output" end materials over a long chain of reactions, releasing controllable heat in doing so.  

Stanislav Adamenko used heavier arc rigs that had actually created some unknown stable but heavier than naturally occurring elements in his arc reactors, elements that could then act as a stored nuclear battery -- elements that could then be triggered and disassembled at will later on to release a lot of stored LENR energy.

Using molten bismuth and other feeder elements, a chain of up to 72 predicted reactions could created in a molten bismuth power source --- one that was actually built by Sudhas, one which is still producing minor energy nearly a year after it was cut off and solidified.   Bob Greenyer has Sudha's old reactor and he is still studying it before he "safely attempts any re-creation of the experiment".

"Strange" NON-ionizing radiation (not standard nuclear radiation at all) is now a real term, and several experimenters have accidentally mildly damaged their eyes while working on this stuff ......  generally by directly looking into the pretty light from the reactors.

The term "Alchemist" has reentered science again -- specifically in the LENR side of science.

And yes, some parings are actually self refining -- iridium has such a high melting point it floats to the top of the molten Bismuth bath that it was created in to be skimmed off as a refined result.  Just flux your Bismuth bath with a self-volatilizing flux, let the flux evaporate and then skim the cleaned metal to get your tiny iridium crystals that are only worth a measly $43,000 an ounce.



Makes controllable LENR heat energy, with a planned reaction that intentionally also has a very valuable side product.  

That is the definition of the New Alchemist in action.
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Reply #53 - 05/28/18 at 06:32:22
 

http://e-catworld.com/2018/05/28/rossi-trembling-after-e-cat-sk-test/

Rossi ‘Trembling’ after E-Cat SK Test

Posted on May 28, 2018 • 11 Comments

Andrea Rossi has made some comments the tests that he and his team have carried out over the weekend on the latest version of the E-Cat that is called the ‘SK’ (named after the late Swedish physicist Sven Kullander). This is apparently a lot more powerful reactor than the QX. Here are some recent comments from Rossi about the SK testing.

Anonymous
May 27, 2018 at 5:31 PM
Dear Andrea:
Strong congratulations for the successful test of the Ecat SK. Can you tell us the power you got?

Andrea Rossi
May 27, 2018 at 5:45 PM
100 kW and it is 4 times as big as the 1 kW Ecat QX ( not counting the heat exchanger ), that has the same dimensions of the Ecat QX shown in Stockholm on Nov 24.
I think we made a very good work in these months. Very brutal, but fruitful.
I am still trembling. It was emotional. Now we have to work on it, but I think they will arrive together in the market.

Clark
May 27, 2018 at 8:51 PM
Dear Andrea Rossi:
Can you describe some particular phase that made you tremble during the Ecat SK test?

Andrea Rossi
May 27, 2018 at 10:14 PM
Clark:
we had to protect ourselves behind a grade 14 glass because looking at the light radiated by the SK could damage seriously the eyes. Few seconds after the turn on of the reactor the heat radiated from the Ecat SK broke the 14 protection glass. We had supplementary 14 protection masks. Nonetheless, I saw from that minuscule reactor exit a tremendously dazzling white light all around the laboratory and I will never forget this impression. The SK was born. I think we will make it useful. Many errors emerged, but now we work to correct them, the most difficult part has been resolved.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Just as a point of reference, 14 shade eye protection is the type used in glasses used for viewing a solar eclipse safely. The only light you can see with those glasses on is that of the sun, otherwise for looking at anything else, it is just like being blindfolded.

It’s still not clear to me from Rossi’s comments whether the SK will supersede the QX, since he says above that there are still “many errors” and that he thinks “they will arrrive in the market together”. So possibly he is thinking about a 2-track development until the SK problems are solved.


100 kW out of something smaller than a brick .......   Rossi needs some time and some work to tone this puppy down a bit, or else learn how to work with these unfamiliar very high output concentration levels a good bit better.

Rossi has to figure out how to tone it down (or moderate the reaction) or else he will be dealing with the same sorts of "it just melts everything down" issues that the Mills Suncell has dealt with for the last 10 years.


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Extra information from questions asked to Rossi

This was a two day test was run at a high energy and radiation containment capable laboratory (3rd party outside lab).    There were other witnesses, including ABB personnel and the lab personnel.

The test ran for two full days at various rated power levels.

The test maintained control during all testing levels.   The control methodology worked, in other words.

The test remained safe and ionizing radiation free,  although the light levels and energy levels at the upper testing levels were somewhat alarming as the light levels emitted was strong enough to thermally crack the level 14 shielding glass at a distance (welding masks were used to observe the reactor after that point).  Shielding glass works by blocking a lot of the light that hits it, converting it to heat and it normally gets pretty warm.

The weaknesses in the light containment system that so alarmed Rossi were related to his need to collect optical data directly from the reactor reaction itself -- this "flaw" does not exist in normal units which will reside behind multiple metal layers and a flow of heat exchanger fluid.

E-Cat SK is far too energetic to run at full speed against passive cooling methods involving air, part of its control system will have to be flow control of a cooling fluid and it cannot be run without a significant cooling load capacity (a goodly sized work load).

E-Cat SK is small enough and concentrated enough to power fully mobile equipment such as a car, a truck or train.

Melt down tests will have to be run and the results built into the final product as interruptions of the coolant flow will eventually happen and some forms of shut down needs to be built into the electronic control systems to assure "it fails safely in the event of stopped coolant flow".   Ditto for electrical system failure.  

Rossi has indeed gotten past the size limitations that stopped him earlier.    Larger units are now considered possible.

Rossi needs to build him a high energy and radiation containment capable laboratory of his very own since he is going to do a lot of "end of life" and "run up to failure" testing of the E-Cat SK generation of reactors.

Rossi is now a direct competitor "size wise" for Randal Mills and his sun cell.   Brillouin is out of the running as a competitor as their energy output isn't even close to the same order of magnitude as Rossi and Mills any more.
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Reply #54 - 05/29/18 at 15:19:30
 

http://e-catworld.com/2018/05/28/rossi-trembling-after-e-cat-sk-test/



Axil Axil • 17 hours ago located down in the comments section

Under the assumption that the SK reactor is pumping out muons by the ton, it might be possible to surround the SK with a thick molten lead blanket and thereby increase it thermal output by 1000 times due to slow muon induced fission. If a lead calcium alloy were used as the blanket material, transmutation of this alloy to gold through muon induced transformation might occur. Gold would become ubiquitous. Instead of galvanizing metal, gold plating would perform better.

I have mentioned the Bob Greenyer spreadsheet that predicts LENR reactions before, right?  
Folks have been playing around with the spreadsheet -- you can tell.

Please don't laugh, someone has already taken a poke at making alchemist's iridium (Sudhas Rankar) and succeeded well enough to have a measurable result.   Iridium is only 1,000 times more valuable than gold.  

So in this one, you get your heat (magnified by 1,000) and you get you some "waste gold crystals" floating up to the top of your molten lead/calcium "muon shielding" bath.

Roll Eyes     ..... can I  get the nifty red pointy alchemist hat to go along with that ???


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Reply #55 - 06/12/18 at 08:55:01
 

Now this is interesting.  

I mentioned "creating iridium" as having been done by Sudhas Rankar and others in "measurable by spectroscopy" amounts.   The amount of heat generated is considerable and some brand new folks are getting interested in LENR both for the power (heat) output and for the very valuable waste products.

Rossi has three new long term confirmations being published just lately, people who had carefully recreated  his tube reactors and then run them all the way to "end of fuel".    It took well over a year for the shortest one.

Parkhomov based Russian efforts are nearing some form of commercialization in Russia.   Rankar based efforts are moving forward in India.  In the USA we have DoD based companies filing patents for military implementations and Rossi is moving towards his "sale of heat" roll out later on this year.

All the first movers will launch something late this year with a more general blossoming taking place in 2019.

I count 5 major methods of doing LENR at this time.   The theory behind LENR is getting fleshed out more and more, and quite frankly does not seem to be all that hard to do.

Keeping it from melting down is the trick and that can be done as simply as varying the cooling load against a fixed VERY SMALL reactor mass that is allowed to run naturally in self sustained mode having been provided suitable "on off" EM excitement level.   Turning it off totally isn't instant off, but it ramps down in a 10 minutes or so once the power is cut off completely.   This is Rossi's QX plasma based reactor system in a nutshell.   Think pencil lead thick and you got it .....

Rossi's bigger SK unit is a different animal, using variable excitement and variable cooling loads to remain control of a much more powerful plasma based reactor, one the size of a thin magic marker pen inside a short coke bottle.

Mills had built everything on a scale that was a lot bigger than that, but Mills has had no luck in keeping his stuff from doing a series of completely reactor destroying melt downs over the years.   Mill lost some of his backers after melting it all down yet again this spring.

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Reply #56 - 06/20/18 at 06:22:01
 

http://e-catworld.com/2018/06/18/rossi-solicits-invitation-requests-to-usa-ea...

Rossi will present his E-Cat products this winter (in early first quarter 2019).   He is now issuing invitations only to a select slice of the peanut gallery, intentionally including some of his more factual based critics.   These folks may see a video recording of a working Rossi installation at a place of business.   They will see meters, boxes and plumbing ......  that's all.  

But it will be at a fully working industrial installation.

Rossi is never going to break his web of secrecy, ever -- he no longer believes that patents do anything to effectively protect new technology (although he has patents and is applying for more patents all the time he does NOT trust courts or patents to protect his tech from being stolen and replicated in the Far East).

Rossi has a small unit suitable for a room heater and he has a bigger unit suitable for a whole house heater/cooling unit.    Trane (just an example pulled out of the air) has all the tech needed to take the Rossi heat source and plug it into existing heat pump systems.

Rossi and his partners plan to milk it for all it is worth, giving a 1-2 year payback to the end customer and pocketing the majority of the benefits for themselves.

Sudhas and Parkhomov and Mills and Brillouin and Rossi all have working LENR systems.   India and Russia are quite adamant that they are rolling to commercialism within 3 years -- Rossi will get there maybe a year or two before they do.

Rossi will eventually lose because he wants too much money for his stuff and his competitors will simply kill him in the marketplace once real price vs value competition starts.   Rossi is NOT a businessman, he is an ego driven inventor (quite good at that, but that is not a businessman's mindset).

Solar is currently going great guns and can generate electricity cheaper and cheaper and cheaper compared to any petrol product or natural gas ......  but solar cannot directly power rolling stock like trucks, trains and cars.   Musk and his BIG battery cars and trucks will have their day in the sun but they aren't going to win against LENR which can do these things on the roll, safely, and at a much lower cost.  

Mankind can get the power it needs by several methods, and there is certainly enough demand in the world for all of them.   So, all of them will get used where most appropriate.

Needed invention, a small Rossi unit driving a environmentally safe gas turbine electric generator or some other form of generator suitable to be driven against a "heat differential".
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Reply #57 - 07/03/18 at 04:59:56
 

http://brillouinenergy.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Brillouin-Press-Release...

Brillouin had a 2-3 COP process that they had built up using illegally shared Rossi tech sourced from Industrial Heat (who now has a controlling interest in Brillouin).

Industrial Heat (using Brillouin as a cut out) is now trying to peddle Rossi tech illegally, in violation of US court orders.   Carefully though,  only peddling it in the Far East under non-disclosure terms, far far outside of the reach of US courts.

http://e-catworld.com/2018/07/02/brillouin-energy-closes-second-paid-commerci...

Yes, a COP of 2-3 is worth some money.   Old Rossi tech is worth some money.   But it isn't NEARLY current tech, it is 3-4 year old Rossi tech at its very best.

Rossi and Mills represent the high energy output LENR operating systems now.  Brillouin is selling the old moldy table scraps of older low yield systems to get a buck while they can.

Come the Rossi over 20 COP demo this New Years Eve, both Brillouin and Industrial Heat will be pretty much out of luck for selling anything that they have with only a 2-3 COP moving forward.
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Reply #58 - 07/15/18 at 06:07:31
 

http://e-catworld.com/2018/07/15/rossi-e-cat-sk-powered-gas-turbine-power-den...

Andrea Rossi seems to be concentrating his efforts now on developing the 100 kW E-Cat SK reactor, which he reports he is combining with a liquid CO2 gas turbine generator. Here’s a Q&A on the subject from the Journal of Nuclear Physics today:

Chuck Davis
July 14, 2018 at 7:01 PM
Dr Rossi:
1- do you already have a gas turbine operating?
2- if yes, which dimensions vs power?
Regards,
Chuck Davis

Andrea Rossi
July 15, 2018 at 2:39 AM
Chuck Davis:
1- yes
2- the power density is the highest I ever reached. Premature to give numbers.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Rossi has said previously that the ratio in size of the 1 kW QX to the 100 kW SK is 1:10 which, if true, would make the power density of the SK 10 times that of the QX. There will of course be losses when combining the SK with a gas turbine, but even if the turbine was only 20 per cent efficient, it would be twice the power density of the QX.

Steven Karels asked Rossi about how they are dealing with the very high temperatures the E-Cat SK is reportedly producing:

Steven N. Karels
July 14, 2018 at 3:40 AM
Dear Andrea Rossi,

It is difficult for me to envision of 100kW eCat SK reactor that can sustain the temperatures you report without damaging or melting the containment structure. Is the containment structure transparent?

Andrea Rossi
July 14, 2018 at 5:04 AM
Steven N.Karels:
The gas turbine configuration resolves the problem. We are working on this issue for other configurations.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Still, Rossi has said that the SK is not ready for production, and apparently they will have to make a decision at some point whether it will be launched as an initial product. When I asked him whether the SK and QX both need to be ready before they can do a product launch he replied, “No. If the SK will not be ready, we will start with the QX anyway.”




OK, Rossi is dealing with his SK reactor's "excessive energy" density issues, same as Mills did.   Rossi's "short Coke bottle" sized SK reactor is tending to spot overcome every cooling use load scenario he has come up with, save two.

The very first "big enough good enough" variable adjustable cooling load is heating up a VERY LARGE flow of water as in a free flowing large commercial hot water building heating system.

The second use is in a liquid CO2 based turbine mated to a generator electricity producing set up that has the ability to constantly dump the excess electricity generated off into the electrical power grid.   Rossi uses a flow of cooling water to condense his pressurized CO2 back into liquid form, so he still gets his large volume flow of output hot water for building heating as a free secondary by product.  

Rossi apparently likes this one because he can get a tremendous amount of very effective spot cooling off the boiling liquid CO2 getting large amounts of evaporation point cooling at -78o C instantly [u]when he needs it ASAP as a variable control element for heat spikes[/u] and he gets even more extra electricity being generated from a heat spike now instead of just having to just pay a lot more money for more power to run liquid water cooling pumps that much faster as is currently used in his simple "building heating" hot water uses.  

Because he has a bunch of good "variable" liquid CO2 cooling available, Rossi is now trying for higher energy densities that are beyond anything that he has attempted before.   We know that the output of his system has to be in balance against the cooling load and the cooling reserve amount needs to be "large" so having good cooling instantly available means he can crank his SK up some more, safely.

These are the two items that will likely be able to be shown at the 2018 New Year's demos as the COP figures are very good and the equipment seems stable enough when run at steady states.

Making electrical power and heating hot water, both are very good safe initial uses for Rossi SK tech .....

The COP calculations for an electrical generation system will be interesting, since he has the power output from the electric generator which easily exceeds his energy use rate for his control boxes AND he has the water heating capability from the liquid CO2 condenser to make up his building heating hot water (or other forms of water based heating uses).

Could he justify saying his COP is very very very high once the whole system is cranked up and working ????   Likely he could.

Easy to get AC cooling off the same system, just evaporate some of the liquid CO2 in a cooling coil or jet a flow of high pressure CO2 gas through a venturi to provide building type AC water spot chilling.    I suspect this use would require a condenser or water chiller type system outside the building to dump the remaining excess system heat outside the building, but that sort of action is well understood by HVAC companies already.

Fancy RV AC/Heat systems already do these sorts of things in relatively small units, using propane gas tanks to provide the primary heat source.   Propane heat can run RV refrigerators too, so a small Rossi heat system should work in that application as well.

Remember how the QX went from 20 watts to 60 watts to 80 watts to 100 watts in output per reactor once his new team had tuned on it some.  

I bet we will see eventually something close to the same 5x level of output progression in the SK unit as well given sufficient rapidly adjustable cooling and the ability to have a large cooling reserve to handle heat spikes ......  


Potentially Mebbe Half a Megawatt of heat output per small coke sized reactor which right now as we speak can reach plasma temperatures of up to 20,000o C ?????        Shocked



In return, I am waiting for the smaller QX reactor to gain some more "you got good cooling now, turn it up some more" spec ability from the work Rossi and crew are doing on the SK upper end --- they are now learning how to deal effectively with the higher output levels, balancing larger outputs against good cooling and ample cooling reserves.



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IT ALWAYS SEEMS TO GET BETTER AND BETTER  .......  Rossi now admits that the real world rating on the small and large reactors depends on the LOAD TYPE (or cooling ability) of that particular set up.    Given something that can cool a great amount re-actively (adjustably) then the overall "kilowatts output" of that particular rig can go up accordingly.

Next, Rossi is in "automated assembly" (low volume type production) on QX samples that are getting sent out to selected customers on a "trial fit, run, then return ASAP" basis.    The customer just pays for the heat as they have no ownership of the sample units whatsoever.   Customers really need a trial unit so they can really see if their idea is worth sinking lots of their capital dollars into developing.

Next, Rossi will have his first 4 internal "permanent installations" functional by November.  

He will be in low level automated reactor production for customer units at that time.  

December is set up time for public display review (the big coming out party) in January-February.

First hints have now been dropped on a still MUCH LARGER reactor that is now under development.   This unit would be a public utility sized single reactor and would require MASSIVE amounts of very reactive cooling to be practicable at all as it is similar in output to a Mills unit.

Exposure of biologically tainted water to extreme amount of Ultra High Frequency ultra violet light (EUV) can clean up and destroy all living biological contaminants and can break down most all forms of organic poisons that those toxic life forms produce.   Plus the water gets up over 140 degrees in the process, which is medically recognized as "sterilized by boiling" type temperatures.   Treat it with some clorine and other water purification chemicals and you get potable drinking water off a jeep towable (readily portable) purification plant.

Rossi's reactor outputs LOTS  AND LOTS AND LOTS of EUV light so very very strongly it can break down water molecules into free hydrogen and somewhat temporary HO ions which will recombine later (unless they are separated immediately and the mono atomic hydrogen gas utilized in some fashion).    Fuel cells can run off this mono atomic hydrogen gas just dandy.

So, a very powerful Rossi reactor can act as a self-powered container sized water purification plant, in other words, getting its pump electrical power from a fuel cell electrical generator.

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Reply #59 - 08/09/18 at 02:21:32
 

Going back to the room heater sized ideas, low yield,  inherently safe, etc. etc.

http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2018/08/08/glimpse-the-end-of-the-fossil-f...





This represents a new, a 6th pathway to LENR, in what may be a very simple inexpensive method that has low yields that is supposedly very easy to control.

More explanation is needed about what is going on here along with operating analysis and theoretical basis, etc, and I am sure the MFMP guys will get on this one fairly quickly as it looks like a tech level that normal people might be able to do.    MFMP is beginning replications to verify they really see what they think they see ......  more later on, of course.



Not too much to these tiny colds fusion fuel pellets that heat a several kilogram fuel test bench scale reactor. Made by my own hand out of incredibly cheap and common materials, pellets like these in hand have been cycling with the aforementioned or nearly similar heat output since 02 May 2018, about 100 days.

My tiny fuel pellets like to cycle between very hot and not so hot over the course of a repeating cycle of a few hours. Nothing suggests they will stop anytime soon, Martin Fleischmann, the father of cold fusion, once mused that such cold fusion fueled bits like his and these once made might remain active for centuries.

Teachable to all

Nothing in the manufacture and application of these tiny cold fusion pellets cannot be taught to the poorest of this world so that they may become energy self-sufficient and independent.


The tiny pellets remain solid, remain together as the reaction goes between 500oF and 1,000oF as that is the current operating range.

More active pellets = more heating capacity.   It is possible to sort and replace the pellets when they get tired on the fly (all you need to do this trick is a track fed line of hot from the reactor pellets that you send by a temperature sensor to weed out the individual much colder (mostly dead) pellets.   An air blast or a kick-out solenoid ejects the cold pellets from the track and the good pellets are return tracked go back to work.

This idea is an extension of the Lugano reactor set up, taking it up a notch into the stiff firm pellet form instead of loose powder formats.
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