FACT:  Rossi's controllers are "overbuilt" for the current demo use as they are intended to run a hundred to two hundred of his little reactors in larger, future set ups.

It has been noted that his current production controller rig has enough cooling fins and fans to dissipate a cooling load that is roughly equivalent to the small heating load he is actually producing on his demo of two days ago.

No one has any reason to believe he actually did anything vaguely like that, but the fact he has similar outputs possible and he does have some cooling fins and fans that are of the same order of magnitude ......   well, according to the skepto-critics he must be up to something.

It does not matter that cooling fins don't make heat show up over there, and nothing in Rossi's set up looks like a heat pump in any fashion anyone can name.    However, it is a black box set up, you don't really know what is inside that black box, it could have an "electronic heat pump" functionality much like an electronic ice chest does.

This is the way of the Rossi skepto-critic ...... one skepto starts out with a simple observation and another skepto-critic chimes in that THIS MUST WHAT ROSSI IS UP TO NOW and then the entire skepto-critic peanut gallery starts howling in dismay over it as if it was fact.

Never mind if it was heat pump action, the controller box cooling fins would be all covered with frost while the transfer junction plumbing is just short of boiling and somewhere on the other end of "the hidden wire" an electric meter is whirling frantically round and round and round.

Then the skepto boys feed their BS to some British Tabloid news outlets that specialize in sensational skepto-slander work and weeee, we are off to the races all over again .....

Previous demos got criticized for "the hidden wire" that provided the resistance current that actually made the whole thing get hot, so this is the current skepto "hidden wire" that just has to be there, somehow.  

No one has ever found that hidden wire, ever .....

Rossi has also said this is his last demo of any kind that he will ever do, that all demo activity is counterproductive in that it saps his personal energy that would best be spent doing something useful.

I would like to see a production demo of a room heater unit running about a hundred or so of Rossi's reactors for whole a steady year off a recording meter equipped 110 volt wall socket --- skepto THAT you skepto boys and girls.

Heck, you can do it in my den, I volunteer my fireplace hearth as a nice safe location.


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Rossi's demo included more information than he intended, mainly because the organizer/presenter, Matts Lewan,  continued to show up close live oscilloscope and voltage meter data that was running while Rossi was inside his overlarge controller box twiddling with things, while turning off entire sections of "reactor feedback sensing" for example.

It was not an accident that the demo unit only put out 1/3 of the heat it is capable of doing, it was blunted down to that level intentionally by Rossi.

We now see the controller puts out a very high voltage interrupted DC at very very low amperage except during start up when it goes up from 0.2 amps up to "roughly" standard Quartz bulb pre-heat levels.   Someone joked it reminded them of the output from a Tesla coil .....

Rossi has now received multiple offers of "non-disclosure" help from very good, very experienced EE people who are very good at this sort of industry.   Rossi, being Rossi, will casually pick a brain or two but he will never admit he had any lacks in his current set up nor that he has any lacks educationally or experientially that stop him from fixing them.

It becomes clearer that Rossi's device really isn't that hard to do, and that some of the "technical roadblocks" may remain in place simply because Rossi wants to hide behind them, using the roadblocks to confuse his copiers/trolls/potential competitors.

I expect Rossi to catch a new wave of "you overly proud, greedy greedy capitalist old man" out on the internet because it is fairly clear now that the main impediment to more rapid progress is Rossi being Rossi (same old story all over again).


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At Rossi's age and considering his slowly failing health he needs to license his tech over to ABB or Siemens AG and simply relax and retire, answering questions as needed.   His energy and drive and capability has declined over the last 2 years to the point HE SIMPLY CANNOT BE A ONE MAN BAND ANY MORE.   He is now the roadblock more than anything else.

Another point that is becoming clearer and clearer is that if you leave Rossi in charge he will eventually go invent a brand new approach and totally drop the "up and working stuff" he has now on deck yet again (for the 3rd time no less) -- this will be a complete disruptor to his business partners and is one of several reasons Rossi never keeps a business partner for very long.

The E-Cat X format was invented to overcome an issue of "runaway overheating to failure" but has become its own puzzlement for efficient controller design and is "an overly complex implementation" right now.

Rossi needs to assemble a technical team out of his partners and begin assigning the work to be done to competent skilled people  -- his first commercial implementation needs to be a stable output of moderate size and then a good industrial design and a good control design must be exactly fitted to that application.   No gross over do, no gross inefficiency.   Knowing exactly what load has to be controlled, and building a simple cheap "on - off" way of energizing that set of reactors.   Using a plug in replacement element format, one that is very cost effective to build.

Quick update

The E-Cat World peanut gallery contains a lot of hit and run skepto-paths who are now arguing every single point anyone makes about pursuing Rossi based LENR.   Every path is wrong to them and gets derided loudly.   I wouldn't read this stream of garbage willingly and I won't suggest that you guys do so either until Frank gets his list troll issues purged to a higher degree.

The trolls are getting list feedback from old established members about being "broken records" in their nasty comments.   However, the trolls have no place to go since a lot of the other lists have given up and gone under lately -- having become troll havens in essence and then being shut down by their owners.

Some new rules for posting are going up, which gives the list owner a pathway to remove some of the more toxic people (if needed).

Rossi is back in Florida, working in his lab to refine his control system for a smaller discrete low load device (say a room heater as an example just pulled out of the air by me).  

"His team" is working in Scandinavia on his first commercial implementation which apparently needs that big control box (which gives you an idea of the size of commercial implementations being considered).  

Rossi is now taking a path trying to recover the waste heat from his controller by using a cool input coolant flow from his heat output system, which means electrical dumping losses from his controller actually become part of his heat output.  

Another way to say this is that his controller needs liquid cooling to survive as it gets bigger and bigger ......

This also means the electrical feedback spikes from the reactor must be dumped in the controller somehow as heat.   For the longest time Rossi has said 10% of the E-Cat X output was electrical in nature and lo and behold we see him dumping about that much heat inside his overbuild fin and fan equipped controller box.

Larger commercial implementations could perhaps try to use this reverse spike power somehow, but folks seeing the thing run recognize that it turns on and off within a 4-6 second cycle span and the snap they hear on shun off is likely a reverse electrical power spike that must be used somehow or or else dumped in the controller box as heat.

This also sorta means the 'Cat would likely burn itself up if it ran for more than 6 seconds without controller intervention.   So, how well the controller runs becomes the real 5 sigma test results with total reactor failure by internal melt down being the failure mode that will eventually be seen when a controller failure happens.

If any of this is real, folks begin to see why Rossi is hiding this sort of information from all his supporters and from his potential investors again.   They also see why he is running his reactors way way down at the 30% output power level right now.

He is not really ready for a commercial roll out but he is working on a roll out anyway, looking for ways to customize his stuff for just that one use so he can learn some more "experientially" about his challenges.

This is what happened in Doral, and it took a half a year for Ross's partners to realize it wasn't going to pan out for them as a general thing.

If any of this is right, he is likely building himself another Doral experience which will likely have the same results.

To avoid this, Rossi needs to assemble a team that is REALLY REALLY GOOD with electrical engineering and has a lot of experience buffering energy spikes.   EMP pulse guys come to mind, since they deal with shunting off really big energy spikes as their main function in life.

the IPO takes place that signals "ground floor", you should drop some coins into the plate right about then as it goes by.

I will drop my pennies in .
Let us know when.

http://e-catworld.com/2018/01/19/rossis-e-cat-production-plans/

As things stand right now, based on information that Rossi has provided, this is a summary of what we have learned.

It appears that the industrialization of the E-Cat QX will consist of the manufacture of independent units comprising of 100 individual E-Cat reactors electronically connected in parallel, all driven by a single control unit, and each group of one hundred unit will be rated at around 4kW. This means that each individual E-Cat reactor is rated at around 40W.

Rossi has said that when he presents the industrial product (he hopes it will be this year) he will be showing one of these ~4kW units in action. Rossi has not stated what the COP of this unit will be, and won’t disclose that until they are publicly presented. A 4kW unit could in the future be used for a small domestic heating device, but safety certification has not yet been obtained to use this product for domestic purposes, and so Rossi is concentrating first on plants for industrial purposes.

Rossi has said that these ~4kW units can be combined to make industrial E-Cat plants of whatever power rating is desired. A 1MW E-Cat plant will therefore require the combination of 250 of these units, each with its own control system. He has said, however the the control systems will be contained in a single box “much smaller that 250 x the box you saw in the Stockholm event at the IVA”. Apparently not only has the overheating problem that Rossi described in Stockholm been solved, but also the control system has been substantially reduced in size.

That is about the extent of what Rossi has reported thus far in terms of production plans. So far he has not stated that one of these units has been created by means of robotics, but that is his goal. Only when robotic production is underway will he make the public presentation.

This summary tells us that things are moving fairly rapidly now that a real industrial manufacturing powerhouse called ABB is in charge of commercializing the ideas and Rossi is no longer the "one man show" progress limitation he once was.

Next, it lines out the implementation plan fairly precisely.  For maximum profit participation, you should invest some money in ABB now to catch a generic first bump due to LENR as you can't invest in Leonardo just yet as it isn't a publicly traded stock (no IPO has been done yet).   A rational investor would want to see a total life testing of the device, both to prove out that functional life span and see if any radiation or any other problems take place as the device ends its service life.

This is your early investment advisory.  Next stage will be "This is the extent of what Rossi has reported thus far in terms of production plans.  Only when robotic production is underway will he make the public presentation."  

This public presentation will constitute the start of the main IPO investment wave, and you would want to perhaps have some early pennies invested before this happens.   Personal risk is very high at this ground floor stage as "Rossi Says" is the only source of information that we have as ABB really knows how to keep its mouth shut compared to Rossi's prior partners.

Justin, this first unit is simply too large for my room heater for my den, it has no residential certifications, it is "unproven tech" that is seeking a first wave of installed units in commercial heating areas.

It is right sized for all the gas zone heaters you see hanging from the high ceiling rafters at Walmart and Sams and right sized for every commercial baking line and drying line in industry.   It is right sized for every apartment building and commercial building both for zone based retrofit baseboard radiator heat and general hot water heating.

It is right sized for a home hydronics heater as a drop in unit (Yo Dave, you paying attention here?).

Do not underestimate the first wave sell in if the cost of heat provided is 20 times lower than what natural gas costs now.

We need to see costs and realities of first implementations before there is any comfort zone in the investing, but the whole trick of ground floor investing is to get in on the ground floor early and that means being willing to act before everything is lined out and known.

Sadly, Rossi simply has a very poor track record for early investors and NO I wouldn't stick my own money in until ABB is making units by the thousands and they are selling in like hotcakes.

Also be aware that Rossi has Japanese competitors that will be moving in quickly and the South Koreans and the Chinese will be stealing the tech (or have already done so since it is now out where Industrial Espionage can get to it).



Also, remember generators 1-4 at the original Niagara Falls Power Station -- how each one was a generation better than the one built before, but they were built as fast as could actually be done back in the day.   There is an ongoing refinement at the start of a new tech that is quite dramatic --- reminds me of Moore's Law in computers, it does.

Rossi tech will do a room heater eventually, and Rossi tech will create a change wave in industry and home utilities too when they become approved for consumer use.

This is no guarantee that Rossi Co. will be the one making or selling the various levels of innovation that will be taking place.    Tesla and Westinghouse did not hold on to their early monopoly either.

Just a brief update.

Rossi has an assembly plant site in Sweden now, he has a combined "different specialties" team assigned from ABB personnel and he now has a near finalized design that is undergoing Industrial Design and Production Tooling review for both the reactor sets and for the controller.

Rossi's base design is supposedly for a drop in "easy replace" ceramic board of 100 reactor cells, these sturdy heat durable ceramic boards can be stacked up to whatever you want in overall output.  The controller for the 100 unit card is a simple single computer board suitable for racking.   Water (or other transfer fluid) cooling for the individual controller board is built into the controller system so it no longer overheats.  

The first offerings will be half a megawatt and one megawatt in size and aimed only at steady output levels with ON/OFF temperature control only.   Constant Variable heat is possible but is an added cost frill at this point in time as you can do the on/off as short as every 6 seconds with the current controller system design to achieve very similar heat control levels.   Your current furnace on/offs at a 5 minute fastest possible cycle time, which is good enough as we all know.

Real production robotics lines for engineering samples are being worked up for these products as we speak.   Many many sample sets will be sold to industry and to Academia as people try to get a functional grasp on the underlying technology before adapting it to their products.

Rossi still is hopeful for the first industrial product sample shipments to fly later on this year with the Grand Public Reveal to be held back until real order quantities of samples can be filled.

ABB is in charge at this stage and Rossi is getting somewhat sidelined into a Cheerleader position, but that is OK as he isn't in charge of the detailed work any more, multiple ABB employees are.   Rossi is no longer a significant slow up or obstacle in other words.

The first "samples" production line will be built in Sweden and once this line is proven out it will be duplicated and shipped to America.    Timeline for this is 2019-2020 but first sample units off the original Swedish line will be available for shipment by the end of the year supposedly.

Now is the time to start putting some spare investment change into ABB.     Your downside risk is that it is all "Rossi's imagination" and I think there are way too many eyes on it for that to be too much of a real risk at this time.    Risk of it being not real is way less than 50% in other words.   Risk of it hitting an "approvals" problem or a pricing or production snag makes up the majority of the risk but since ABB is involved in doing it the odds of this screwing things up is lower and lower.

Only risk the small amounts of money that you can stand to lose completely.    I expect some sort of sabotage event early on as various vested interests stand to lose a huge amount of existing capital investment that will go obsolete overnight unless E-Cat is delayed or stopped.

Example:   fossil fuels, fission and big fusion research will all take tremendous hits if this takes off without incident.

Rossi is just a sick old man who is simply trying to get this done before he goes.

"Getting it done" means shipping enough samples out to industry and academia that the breakthrough is recognized publically and cannot be rolled back by establishment pressure.

Getting the Chinese and others to steal the "first generation" technology and then to bootleg it widely accomplishes the same end.   Then Rossi can drop the second generation on us with all its improvements and cost reductions.

Rossi "being in a foot race with competitors and rip offs" simply means everybody works faster and harder and E-Cat tech gets out there quicker from a variety of sources (very hard to stymie it and block it with regulations when the bootleggers start to sell copies of it in their own home nations before Swedish UL can even finish testing it).

Frank Acland
February 26, 2018 at 11:25 AM
Dear Andrea,

So is the larger E-Cat QX prototype you are testing:

1) Part of ongoing R&D?
2) A possible next-generation industrial product?
3) A possible next-generation domestic product?
4) Will its testing be long-term, as with the Sigma 5 testing you did last year?

Thank you if you are able to answer,

Frank Acland

Andrea Rossi
February 26, 2018 at 12:03 PM
Frank Acland:
1- yes
2- yes
3- yes
4- yes
Warm Regards,
A.R.



Frank AclandFebruary 26, 2018 at 7:26 AM

Dear Andrea,From what you have commented regarding testing a higher power E-Cat QX, does this mean you will be abandoning the plans for the smaller reactors, thus requiring you to restart your designing of a commercial plants, and losing time?Best wishes,

Andrea RossiFebruary 26, 2018 at 7:56 AMFrank Acland:  No



OK, lets look back in time to the "shipping containers period" of time ......


Rossi would only talk about a full container, but he had the half container under development and when the test started it was with the much more powerful new reactors in the half container.   And he didn't have to run all of them continuously to make rate either.

This pattern of concealment has been consistent throughout this whole thing -- Rossi keeps his current development work completely secret.   He only exposes the old stuff that he does not really care if it gets stolen.

Remember, he develops new stuff at the rate of one new generation a year, roughly.

Now he is acting all excited over a new E-Cat X cell that is at least twice as big as the current 40-60 watt cell.   This is back up in the  ~ 100 watts ~  range of size that he had the original "run away overheating" issues with that caused him to downsize the things drastically before just so he could keep them running without melting them down at hot spots internally.

Point being that Rossi always tests his largest most modern stable units in a long production run time frame Sigma test.   And then he has a set of new ones you don't know about on deck for testing by the time the ones you do know about are about halfway finished with their test.

Expect the cell size to increase and increase again and the duration life span of the charge to double and double again.

ABB is contributing ample amounts of good quality engineering resources and Rossi sees his progress as being "exponentially faster" now.