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Reply #285 - 08/26/21 at 19:43:44
 
 I imagine anyone that creates a sellable device that releases more usable energy than it uses would sell much more than 1 million.

Ending the law of conservation of energy should be extremely profitable.
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Reply #286 - 08/26/21 at 22:38:34
 

E=MC2 is the law used in conservation of energy.

A very very tiny amount of matter is apparently becoming energy, so there is no E=MC2 violation.

Mebbe you are thinking COP, as in over unity or as COP greater than 1.   But this has been going on for over 10 years now, so that isn't likely what you mean.   Right now with his battery backed up SKL electric generator Rossi has an infinite COP within the life span of a charge.

Rossi supposedly has a means of controlling it, regulating it, stopping and starting the reaction in seconds.

He is finally at the point of announcing his first products in https://days.to/dec9

Eegore, you are among the many who will only consider believing it when they actually can see the certification results.   And then they will have reservations and doubts ......

With the light and the little generator Rossi has enough to get the ball rolling once he presents the stuff as certified in a verified reliable fashion.    Certification on the generator will take most of an extra year if from now the charge is advertised to last for a year.

Something that Rossi needs to prove out in large sampling numbers over lots of time is how long his charges actually do last at a 95% confidence level.   He has very limited end of life data (running to end of life showed his early stuff lasts and lasts and lasts well past his early estimates).

I think, just me thinking and spit balling, that his reactors give up structurally (at a slow decline) at the electrical to plasma contact points long before the charge itself gives up.   Since Rossi made the "many contact points" structural improvements nobody really knows how long his reactor charges last now ......

In any case, if he advertises a year he'll have to test for a year plus a year before being certified for a year if that is indeed the time span he is claiming.    
If he were smart, he'd claim 6 months so he can get his certification done quicker.  
This legalistic dodge will not affect what the reactors really can do.

"Improvements made over time" are to be expected, after all.   Sandbagging at the start to get the certification process done quicker can be followed up with additional certifications for longer time periods making up a "doable" approach if done over time.

95% confidence interval testing on a year or two years of advertised life will take bloody forever to do and would require huge sampling sizes, but once Rossi is selling the things actively he can collect the data he needs for his longer life span claims.

Next complicator will be the fact the single controller can light (in rotation) multiple reactors with the max number being how many reactors can be maintained within the current SSM span of the reactors in question.   Four is an easy do, 10 seems to be a too full house.

It is clear that, post certification and post UL approval, Rossi's stuff can run a small household power-wise (complete with central AC no less).   A power wall battery will likely be needed if using solar as well.  An all electric off grid RV would also be an easy do.

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Reply #287 - 08/29/21 at 02:28:05
 

E=MC2 is the law used in conservation of energy.

A very very tiny amount of matter is apparently becoming energy, so there is no E=MC2 violation.

Mebbe you are thinking COP, as in over unity or as COP greater than 1.   But this has been going on for over 10 years now, so that isn't likely what you mean.   Right now with his battery backed up SKL electric generator Rossi has an infinite COP within the life span of a charge.

Rossi supposedly has a means of controlling it, regulating it, stopping and starting the reaction in seconds.

He is finally at the point of announcing his first products in https://days.to/dec9

Eegore, you are among the many who will only consider believing it when they actually can see the certification results.   And then they will have reservations and doubts ......

With the light and the little generator Rossi has enough to get the ball rolling once he presents the stuff as certified in a verified reliable fashion.    Certification on the generator will take most of an extra year if from now the charge is advertised to last for a year.

Something that Rossi needs to prove out in large sampling numbers over lots of time is how long his charges actually do last at a 95% confidence level.   He has very limited end of life data (running to end of life showed his early stuff lasts and lasts and lasts well past his early estimates).

I think, just me thinking and spit balling, that his reactors give up structurally at the electrical to plasma contact points long before the charge itself gives up.   Since Rossi made the "many contact points" structural improvements nobody really knows how long his reactor charges last now ......

In any case, if he advertises a year he'll have to test for a year plus a year before being certified for a year if that is indeed the time span he is claiming.    
If he were smart, he'd claim 6 months so he can get his certification done quicker.  
This legalistic dodge will not affect what the reactors really can do.

"Improvements made over time" are to be expected, after all.   Sandbagging at the start to get the certification process done quicker can be followed up with additional certifications for longer time periods making up a "doable" approach if done over time.

95% confidence interval testing on a year or two years of advertised life will take bloody forever to do and some huge sampling sizes, but once Rossi is selling the things actively he can collect the data he needs for his longer life span claims.

Next complicator will be the fact the single controller can light (in rotation) multiple reactors with the max number being how many reactors can be maintained within the current SSM span of the reactors in question.   Four is an easy do, 10 seems to be a too full house with Rossi holding at only a half hour of SSM due to some sort of BS EU remote shutdown regulations.

It is clear that, post certification and post UL approval, Rossi's stuff can run a small household power-wise (complete with central AC no less).   A power wall battery will likely be needed as well, especially if using solar too.  An all electric off grid RV would also be an easy do.

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Reply #288 - 09/06/21 at 07:29:08
 

Rossi: “Professor Garret Moddel has a Strong Merit”
Posted on September 6, 2021 • 0 Comments

There have been some questions posted to Andrea Rossi on the Journal of Nuclear Physics regarding Garret Moddel’s video and paper about extracting zero-point energy from devices using the Casimir effect. Rossi seems to have paid attention to Moddel’s work, and seems quite intrigued and impressed.

Here is  a Q&A from the JONP today:

Norma
September 6, 2021 at 6:32 AM
Dear Dr Andrea Rossi:
Hasn’t the video of Prof Garret Moddel been inspired by your paper
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/330601653_E-Cat_SK_and_long_range_par...
It seems to me that the start with the Casimir Effect and the basics of the “Zero Point Energy” remember quite strongly your paper.
Best,
Norma

Norma:
Probably it has, a coincidence is quite unlikely, but its importance is the support of a mainstream scientist to the zero point energy as a source of energy for which the second principle of thermodynamics is not applicable.
Prof Garret Moddel has a strong merit,
Warm Regards,
A.R.

The case for the reality of zero-point energy as practical energy source is a hard one to make, because as noted by Moddel, there is total resistance in science that the second law of thermodynamics (that entropy in a closed system is always increasing, i.e. new energy cannot be generated from it) can be violated.

I think the only way to overcome this unbelief is to show in no uncertain terms that anomalous energy is generated from device. Both Rossi and Moddel claim that their inventions can do this, and claim ZPE as the source. Rossi’s presentation in December, if clear and convincing, will perhaps be the best opportunity to start to chip away at the resistance to ZPE, and it could help Garret Moddel in his effort to secure the funding he seeks to develop his technology, something he says he has found quite difficult so far.



Rossi endorses the Zero Point Energy theory as espoused by a mainline physicist to explain his (Moddel's) current lab results.    Rossi sez the Moddel theory fits his results to a "T" as well.

Point here is that Rossi, Moddel and others are getting plus energy from their plasma set ups that have nothing to do with lattice anything, really, at all once it gets started good.


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Dated 9-16

Rossi begins advertising on Twitter and Instagram, collecting followers for his really big reveal.

This level of professionalism says Rossi has a competent ad agency controlling this roll out.    THIS IS NEW TURF FOR ROSSI, having people that understand modern communications methods structure stuff for him.


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Reply #289 - 09/21/21 at 06:48:55
 

https://e-catworld.com/2021/09/19/rossi-skled-performing-well-in-private-pres...

Rossi: SKLed Performing well in Private Presentations of E-Cat SKLed
Posted on September 19, 2021 • 8 Comments

I asked Andrea Rossi today about private demonstrations of the E-Cat SKLed:

Frank Acland
September 19, 2021 at 3:30 PM
Dear Andrea,

1. Have you been carrying out any private demonstrations of the E-Cat SKLed for potential customers during this pre-presentation period?
2. If so, how successful have they been?

Andrea Rossi
September 19, 2021 at 3:50 PM
Frank Acland:
1. Yes
2. The performance has been as expected
Warm Regards,
A.R.

In my mind this time prior to the official presentation would be an ideal time to do private presentations of the E-Cat SKLed to potential customers who have the capacity to put in bulk orders for the lamps. We know that Rossi has a requirement for a million pre-orders before he will go into manufacturing, and it would be a great success for him if it were possible to reach that target even before the December presentation.

If any of these participants in early demonstrations were willing to go on the record and state publicly that the lamp really does perform according to Leonardo Corporation’s specification it would be a very useful endorsement that I believe would help boost orders


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OK, so we got the E-cat light in use industrially with hundreds of units for general lighting and < thousand of units for growing lettuce indoors.   Somebody should roll up those various numbers to make up a presentation for Reveal Day.

We got the generator sized power plant in a year long certification program.    Might show some early numbers from that as well.

We got 78 days left until show time.    Rossi seems to have professionals in charge of this Big Reveal and he is taking more care of his whacked out public image now than he ever has before.

Peanut gallery critics are now simply saying that "Nothing has changed" and "We are waiting for another no content puppet show" ........     Tongue

Boosters are saying that first large customers and the manufacturing distributor(s) will be doing most of the talking on reveal day and Rossi will actually speak fairly little by intent.  

This is good, Rossi is viewed as a known crackpot and does not need to be singing any cute songs and dancing any stupid hand puppets to the E-Cat song.  

"I Believe in the E-Cat" song needs to be completely unheard during the entire 3 days of the Big Reveal.   Rossi's grand kids need to stay seated in the audience.
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Reply #290 - 09/22/21 at 12:12:45
 

Rolls Royce Press Release: “Rolls-Royce’s All-electric ‘Spirit of Innovation’ Takes to the Skies for the First Time

The following is a press release from Rolls-Royce.

https://www.rolls-royce.com/media/press-releases/2021/15-09-2021-rr-all-elect...

15 September 2021

We are pleased to announce the completion of the first flight of our all-electric ‘Spirit of Innovation’ aircraft. At 14:56 (BST) the plane took to the skies propelled by its powerful 400kW (500+hp) electric powertrain with the most power-dense battery pack ever assembled for an aircraft. This is another step towards the plane’s world-record attempt and another milestone on the aviation industry’s journey towards decarbonisation.

Warren East, CEO, Rolls-Royce, said: “The first flight of the ‘Spirit of Innovation’ is a great achievement for the ACCEL team and Rolls-Royce. We are focused on producing the technology breakthroughs society needs to decarbonise transport across air, land and sea, and capture the economic opportunity of the transition to net zero. This is not only about breaking a world record; the advanced battery and propulsion technology developed for this programme has exciting applications for the Urban Air Mobility market and can help make ‘jet zero’ a reality.”

Business Secretary Kwasi Kwarteng said: “The first flight of Rolls-Royce’s revolutionary Spirit of Innovation aircraft signals a huge step forward in the global transition to cleaner forms of flight. This achievement, and the records we hope will follow, shows the UK remains right at the forefront of aerospace innovation.

“By backing projects like this one, the Government is helping to drive forward the boundary pushing technologies that will leverage investment and unlock the cleaner, greener aircraft required to end our contribution to climate change.”

The aircraft took off from the UK Ministry of Defence’s Boscombe Down site, which is managed by QinetiQ and flew for approximately 15 minutes. The site has a long heritage of experimental flights and the first flight marks the beginning of an intense flight-testing phase in which we will be collecting valuable performance data on the aircraft’s electrical power and propulsion system. The ACCEL programme, short for ‘Accelerating the Electrification of Flight’ includes key partners YASA, the electric motor and controller manufacturer, and aviation start-up Electroflight. The ACCEL team have continued to innovate while adhering to the UK Government’s social distancing and other health guidelines.

Half of the project’s funding is provided by the Aerospace Technology Institute (ATI), in partnership with the Department for Business, Energy & Industrial Strategy and Innovate UK. In the run up to COP26, the ACCEL programme is further evidence of the UK’s position at the forefront of the zero-emission aircraft revolution.

“The first flight of the Spirit of Innovation demonstrates how innovative technology can provide solutions to some of the world’s biggest challenges,” said Gary Elliott, CEO, Aerospace Technology Institute. “The ATI is funding projects like ACCEL to help UK develop new capabilities and secure a lead in the technologies that will decarbonise aviation. We congratulate everyone who has worked on the ACCEL project to make the first flight a reality and look forward to the world speed record attempt which will capture the imagination of the public in the year that the UK hosts COP26.”

Rolls-Royce is offering our customers a complete electric propulsion system for their platform, whether that is an electric vertical takeoff and landing (eVTOL) or commuter aircraft. We will be using the technology from the ACCEL project and applying it to products for these exciting new markets.



Rolls-Royce is one of the companies that came in to take a look at E-Cat in this past year.   They were part of the crew making "significant progress demands" of Rossi before they would come back.

An overnight re-charge on your existing "smaller battery" EV is smiles and miles away from powering this sort of rig.
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Reply #291 - 10/05/21 at 05:47:14
 

https://e-catworld.com/2021/10/05/rossi-ecat-sk-heaters-require-complex-serie...

Rossi comes clean about issues with the "heat only SK unit" requiring so much more stuff to be done to it routinely that it has to be tended by a normal industrial maintenance schedule done by a Rossi trained maintenance dept.

Individuals would be much better served by an SKL electrical producing machine hooked up to resistance heaters.

Here’s an interesting post from Andrea Rossi today. A couple of posters on the Journal of Nuclear Physics had expressed their thoughts about how useful the E-Cat SK heating technology would be in the current environment with natural gas prices reaching record high prices. Rossi had stated that the SK would be developed after the SKLed (lamp) and the SKL (electricity generator), and then later made the following comment.

Andrea Rossi
October 4, 2021 at 3:23 PM
Italo R.:
I think you merit a more complete answer than I did earlier: the problem with the SK is that it needs to have an industrial size to be convenient and the domestic size has not been certified, because it needs a complex series of maintenance issues. In few words, it must be industrial and under our direct control, so far.
The SKLed and the SKL, which are based on the same platform, are much simpler, as well as their certification, albeit they are much more complex electronically. Besides, it is not true that to make heat with the SKL takes time, because electricity can be turned into heat with almost 100% of efficiency and very easily. This is why now we are focused on the SKL.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

So it appears that there are still technical issues with the SK which require careful monitoring by Leonardo, and it sounds like the AI solutions that have been applied to the SKLed and the SKL have not yet been incorporated with the SK.

It would seem at this point that the best bet for E-Cat space heating is going to be via the SKL which apparently performs the miraculous task of generating electricity without drawing power from an external source. If it can provide the power needed to run a regular electric heater then I think most people would be extremely happy with it. The big question is, when will it be available for use?
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Reply #292 - 10/05/21 at 10:16:06
 
Oldfeller--FSO wrote on 10/05/21 at 05:47:14:
The big question is, when will it be available for use?

Coming any minute since 2017...

LENR, it isn't fission and it isn't fusion,... call it CON-FUSION.  (emphasis on the Con)...
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Reply #293 - 10/06/21 at 07:19:29
 

Wink    Sero fully realizes that he will get a fresh serving of crow when the time comes.

He is just betting that it isn't any time soon .......




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Reply #294 - 10/07/21 at 10:30:37
 

 I'm not holding my breath for this revolution either.

 More efficiency, sure I can see that.  Producing more energy than it uses - I still don't see that happening.  Too easy to go into hiding, again, because Big Energy called their Assassins off standby, again, to go after Rossi.

 When there is always this easy of an out, it makes it real convenient to rake in the support until the last minute when you have to provide results then blame the Big Whatever for stopping the Little Guy.  Instead of just buying or stealing it like what usually happens.

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Reply #295 - 10/16/21 at 12:53:53
 

Well, somebody in Scandinavia has actually invented my den heater Rossi lamp application.   This is sort of a work around and it isn't cheap, requiring many Rossi lamps (12).  

https://e-catworld.com/2021/10/14/the-most-energy-efficient-room-heater-ever-...

Look at it and realize that it meets my bill of raising my den's temperature 4 degrees which is all I use the large electrical floor board unit to do.

And, if I read it right, it does this at the electrical running cost of a single incandescent light bulb ......




For those who it may interest. A room heater comprising of a 1/4 circular enclosure installed in a corner of a room has twelve E-Cat SKLed lamps arranged in such a way that the lamp photons illuminates the back side of a heat collector made of an Al-sheet. The enclosure extends from floor to roof where the warmed heat collector result in a convective circulation of the room air.

The room heater is typically fit for a 10-30 m2 room in a Scandinavian private house. The heater is turned on in October and turned off in April, providing the room with the base winter season heat. The energy source, SKLed lamp Fig. 1, consumes 4 W so that the overall energy consumption is 12 x 4 = 48 W which is less than a conventional 60 W incandescent light bulb. Heat is produced by the lamp’s photons striking a black painted surface on the heat collector back side resulting in 12 x 32 = 384 W heat assuming that the lamp COP is 8. See Fig. 2a and 2b for illustration of the installation. During the 7 month heating period 245 kWh power is consumed while providing 1960 kWh of heat. This beats conventional heat pumps which typically perform at COP 4.
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Reply #296 - 10/23/21 at 16:01:05
 

https://e-catworld.com/2021/10/23/rossi-announces-dec-9th-presentation-to-str...


Rossi Announces Dec 9th Presentation to be Streamed from Leonardo Lab, Not Customer Site
Posted on October 23, 2021 • 31 Comments


Today Andrea Rossi posted the following announcement on the Journal of Nuclear Physics:

Andrea Rossi
October 23, 2021 at 3:07 AM
Dear Readers:
I confirm that on December 9th 2021 we will stream the presentation of the SKLed and the SKL.
The presentation will be made in a laboratory of Leonardo Corporation, because also the Clients that had previously agreed to allow the presentation in their premises have now changed idea and want no more to be disclosed.

The presentation will not be a scientific event, but a commercial presentation of products, dedicated to laymen, not to scientists.

Warm Regards,
A.R.

So there is a change of plan regarding the presentation, which will take away one of the intriguing aspects of the original plan, which was the identity of this Swedish customer. Having a customer publicly identity itself would have been a layer of credibility to the E-Cat, so I think this news will be seen by people following E-Cat news as a disappointment for that reason.

Unfortunately it seems that there is a reluctance for almost anyone who wants to maintain a reputation of being respectable to be publicly identified of having connections with Rossi and the E-Cat, I think because of the controversy that seems to have always followed him. Rossi’s claims about his technology are so outside of mainstream, that unless there is absolutely rock solid evidence for them (which we have not yet seen), most people feel safer to steer well clear of any public association with him.

We’ll have to see now what kind of information comes out of the presentation, and whether it will be enough to make more people take the E-Cat seriously.
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"The presentation will not be a scientific event, but a commercial presentation of products, dedicated to laymen, not to scientists."


"We’ll have to see now what kind of information comes out of the presentation, and whether it will be enough to make more people take the E-Cat seriously."

 Um, no.  Do it right, do it like every one else in this field that wants to prove what they say is true.  
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Reply #298 - 10/23/21 at 21:30:32
 

It is going to be hard to present it right when your "major customer / demonstrator" reverses course away from you a month and a half out from Demo day.

When he pulls the venue and the main functional demo site right out from under you that really sucks.

I wonder what Rossi did to turn the main customer / demonstrator away from him like this?

Or, who is really pulling strings to make the demo collapse like this?    This is not the first abrupt change in date -- abrupt major changes in the demo plan coming from this customer / demonstrator, it is the second or third major disruption this one has made.

Read the comments below the thread as sometimes information from knowledgeable readers shows up down below.


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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9SdSVPvUqtpnY6DwUYRG7g

Here is Rossi's new channel on YouTube --- I keep saying he is getting professional help with his presentations, so here is further evidence of that.
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