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Reply #270 - 07/29/21 at 06:46:29
 

No, you are correct ---- Rossi has let his inner demons drive him so deep into secrecy to the point that the main progress wave is now going to roll on past him.

This is sad, but hey, he did it to  himself.

Still looking my little den booster heater though .......

And I really don't care who provides it, as long as  it is safe and it is cheap.

Rossi has shown me (by inference) that he can do it with minimal controls for around $50 for a multi-multi-multi year relatively minor heat source.    

My goal is to bump up my den by about 3-4 degrees from 64oF house extended zone (extended den sub-ambient---- not to heat it all the way up from ground zero).

Currently use a 750 watt singe room electrical heater to do the bump up job.
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Reply #271 - 08/01/21 at 05:04:15
 
 
https://e-catworld.com/2021/08/02/rossi-very-positive-progress-with-the-e-cat...

Rossi just got hit with a line of questioning that he tried to dodge, but 3 posters held him to it until he yielded up some information.

The Rossi nested double glow plasma reactor system naturally puts out UV radiation, as do Mills sun cells and all the others.

You know that our normal plain Jane florescent light bulbs operate off generated UV frequencies with photons that hit phosphor particles that coat the inside of the bulb.   The individual phosphor particle then puts out a white light phosphor photon to release the input UV photon amount of energy.

IF this is indeed the Rossi light's secret, then it is a very low power inherently safe item and very simple and very cheap to build.

People got it in their heads that the Rossi light used generated DC electricity to run a big complex LED simply because Rossi was working on electricity generation at the time, but that was pure peanut gallery conjecture that Rossi simply permitted to stand.  

No, the entire thing constitutes a big plasma driven LED glow bulb with a phosphor coating on the inside of the bulb.

Support for this theory also comes from yesterday's post.   Rossi is saying his electric generation is getting better, but isn't ready for prime time.   Since his power generation isn't ready but his light is, then the light probably operates off something other than generated electricity.

Anonymous
August 1, 2021 at 10:21 AM
Dear Andrea,
How is proceeding the R&D on the SKL ?

Andrea Rossi
August 1, 2021 at 10:31 AM
Anonymous:
Also today has been very positive. We are making progress.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Frank Acland
August 1, 2021 at 8:47 PM
Dear Andrea,

Congratulations on the progress with the Ecat SKL!

1. Would you classify the progress you have recently made with the SKL as a ‘breakthrough’?
2. What do you think the probability is now that you will present the SKL on November25?

Andrea Rossi
August 2, 2021 at 3:02 AM
Frank Acland:
1. yes
2. not impossible
Warm Regards,
A.R.

I do think that with a major public event scheduled for November 25th, that Rossi will be working and hoping to get the SKL to a level where he can present it to the world, along with the Ecat SKLed lamp, but I don’t think he will do it unless he feels it is ready. So with November only three months away, I think there will be frenetic activity among Rossi’s team to continue to resolve problems. I hope he makes it.





https://e-catworld.com/2021/08/03/rossi-skl-breakthrough-improves-reliability...

ONE WEEK LATER:     Rossi now claims to have made progress on the power generating SKL, making it good enough to slowly re-charge and to concurrently partially power an electric automobile.

This is big.   Think of it just in VERY limited terms as a range booster, it is still big.

Think of it in terms of a "live in a continuously powered off grid RV" and it is even bigger.
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Reply #272 - 08/04/21 at 12:57:56
 

https://e-catworld.com/2021/08/04/30-40-per-cent-chance-e-cat-skl-will-be-pre...

’30-40 Per Cent Chance’ E-Cat SKL Will be Presented in November

Andrea Rossi has recently announced a breakthrough in the R&D on the E-Cat SKL electricity generator that he has been working on recently. Today he made a couple of comments that indicate his current level of satisfaction with the progress, and how he estimates the likelihood of presenting the SKL at the scheduled November 25 presentation in Sweden.

Marcel
August 4, 2021 at 3:48 AM
Dear Dr Andrea Rossi
How many are as of today, after the recent improvements, the probabilities that you will present also the Ecat SKL on November 25th ?

Andrea Rossi
August 4, 2021 at 4:08 AM
Marcel:
30-40%
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Mike Phalen
August 3, 2021 at 7:45 PM
Hi Dr. Rossi,

That is great news about the SKL!

1. Did this breakthrough mostly eliminate the challenge of connecting the SKL to an inductive load or are there more major challenges ahead?
2. Will lighting manufacturers be able to license the SKLed technology to create their own lighting products?

Andrea Rossi
August 4, 2021 at 3:14 AM
Mike Phalen:
1. We are almost there, but not yet, although now I am more confident on our successful outcome,
2. This will depend on the kind of the licenses
Warm Regards,
A.R.

On June 20th of this year, he gave the probability of presenting the SKL in November at 10 per cent, so confidence is improving on Rossi’s part, but 30-40 percent indicates that it is still more likely than not that we won’t get to see the SKL in action. Maybe he is just being cautious at this point. I still think he will be working very hard to make it happen.


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‘Important Decision’ Rests Upon a ‘Crucial’ E-Cat SKL Test on Thursday, August 5th
Posted on August 5, 2021 • 2 Comments
Late on Wednesday, August 4th, Andrea Rossi made this interesting post on the Journal of Nuclear Physics regarding the work he has been doing on the E-Cat SKL electricity generator:

Andrea Rossi
August 4, 2021 at 11:51 AM
Mark U:
De Grasse made a great job !
Also the Ecat SKL did a great job today. Tomorrow we will make a crucial test, after which some important decision will be made.
Yesterday we were close, today we are very close, tomorrow has to be seen. As the gitan violinist of the masterpiece movie “The Concert” of Radu Mihaileanu says: ” …now it is evening, and the sun is not rising, but tomorrow will be morning and the sun will rise”
Warm Regards,
A.R.
P.S.
Thank you for your sustain to Italian athletes

“Tomorrow”, would refer to Thursday, August 5th. I wonder if the ‘important decision’ will be connected with whether to prepare a SKL product to show at the November presentation in Sweden. I think that Rossi will let us know as much as he can, as soon as he can. He is obviously very excited about the prospect of having a reliable SKL generating electricy, which seems to be his ultimate commercial goal.[



Rossi does not want to give his copycats any information than he has to, but instead Rossi is always willing to offer up some mis-direction.  

Which one this may be is the question.

A public demonstration of a viable working electric generator would serve to tie down Rossi's patent claims for this important slice of the zero point energy pie.


We also think that this was a key deliverable to getting ABB to come out of the closet as power generation is their primary business and a self-contained charger and range extender for EV cars is a very marketable thing, obviously.

However, if ABB rises to this bait and chomps on the hook, then the big silence descends all over again as ABB will be the tech's functional owner .........
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Reply #273 - 08/05/21 at 13:32:00
 

Well, it's on boys and girls ----- this Thanksgiving the tiny little light may be joined on the stage by the not so tiny electric generator.

‘Important Decision’ Rests Upon a ‘Crucial’ E-Cat SKL Test on Thursday, August 5th
Posted on August 5, 2021 • 7 Comments
Late on Wednesday, August 4th, Andrea Rossi made this interesting post on the Journal of Nuclear Physics regarding the work he has been doing on the E-Cat SKL electricity generator:

Andrea Rossi
August 4, 2021 at 11:51 AM
Mark U:
De Grasse made a great job !
Also the Ecat SKL did a great job today. Tomorrow we will make a crucial test, after which some important decision will be made.
Yesterday we were close, today we are very close, tomorrow has to be seen. As the gitan violinist of the masterpiece movie “The Concert” of Radu Mihaileanu says: ” …now it is evening, and the sun is not rising, but tomorrow will be morning and the sun will rise”
Warm Regards,
A.R.
P.S.
Thank you for your sustain to Italian athletes

“Tomorrow”, would refer to Thursday, August 5th. I wonder if the ‘important decision’ will be connected with whether to prepare a SKL product to show at the November presentation in Sweden. I think that Rossi will let us know as much as he can, as soon as he can. He is obviously very excited about the prospect of having a reliable SKL generating electricity, which seems to be his ultimate commercial goal.


"Physicist
August 5, 2021 at 1:49 AM
Dear Dr Rossi,
Please tell us how has gone the super test of today and if you will present the Ecat SKL too on November 25th in Stockholm,
Physicist

Andrea Rossi
August 5, 2021 at 1:39 PM
Physicist:
The test has been perfect.
It is now likely that on November 25th we will present also the Ecat SKL.
Warm Regards, A.R."
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Reply #274 - 08/06/21 at 04:27:43
 

Electric Announcement! E-Cat SKL to be Presented in November Following another ‘Perfect’ Test
Posted on August 6, 2021 • 2 Comments

The news that most followers of Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat had been hoping for has been announced. Following yesterday’s test of the E-Cat SKL electricity generator, which Andrea Rossi described as ‘perfect’, he has decided that he will present a prototype of it at the November 25 meeting in Stockholm, in addition to the SKLed lamp.

It’s hard to overstate the significance of this announcement. If the SKL works as Rossi says it does, it will be a revolutionary energy technology the likes of which has never been seen, which could have far-reaching impacts on the world.

The E-Cat SKL is claimed to be an electricity generator that can produce more energy than it consumes.
According to Rossi, the SKL requires only a small amount of electrical input to operate. We don’t yet know the exact ratio of input to output, but it will apparently be enough so that one SKL can power another SKL — in which case you should be able to have a chain of SKLs running from a single power source.

Here are a few of the Q&As from the Journal of Nuclear Physics this morning:

Frank Acland
August 5, 2021 at 2:30 PM
Dear Andrea,

Congratulations on a perfect test! What can you tell us about what happened in the test?

Andrea Rossi
August 6, 2021 at 3:26 AM
Frank Acland:
I prefer to reserve this information for the presentation of November 25th,
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Gerard McEk
August 5, 2021 at 2:15 PM
Dear Andrea,
Congratulations with your new milestone!👍
You have no idea how enthusiastic I am by this good news. I am sure you are too!
1. I assume it is the Ecat SKL you are going to show us not the SK, right?
2. Can you tell us which level of power the SKL will have when demonstrated on the 11/25?
3. What was tested today to enforce the decision for demonstration?
4. Will both SKL and the SKLed be equally important while demonstrated the 11/25 or will now the focus be on the SKL?
Take a fine glass of Italian wine tonight and sleep well, you have earned it!
Kind regards, Gerard

Andrea Rossi
August 6, 2021 at 3:30 AM
Gerard McEk:
1. yes, it is the SKL, sorry for the typo, now corrected
2. will do at the presentation of Nov 25th 2021
3. everything
4. we will present both, where to focus more the attention will depend on the subjectivity
Thank you for your enthusiasm and… cin cin
Warm regards,
A.R.

Mike Phalen
August 5, 2021 at 3:27 PM
Congratulations Dr. Rossi!!

Does this mean that an E-cat SKL can power itself plus additional E-cats?

Andrea Rossi
August 6, 2021 at 3:21 AM
Mike Phalen:
The Ecat can power itself plus other load/loads
Warm Regards,
A.R.

I think this announcement will greatly increase interest in the November 25th event. Lighting is important, but it is only one application. Electricity production in general is far more impactful, because with electricity you can power most of the technology used in today’s world.


With Rossi it is 2 steps forward, one step back at most of the early stages of his progress.   We will learn more about the real problems associated with his new power producing system, how powerful the generator is (or isn't) and how long the reactor vessel remains trouble free.

Next, you know Rossi will be showing it privately to major customers and distributors.   They will insist on using their own instruments and testing.   Much will be known at the end of this evaluation period.

The fact Rossi believes it will pass muster is in and of itself quite encouraging.   If his distributors (and ABB) think the same thing, that is very very encouraging.
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Reply #275 - 08/06/21 at 12:31:57
 

On JONP:
(just questions and answers)

1. Is it correct to say that the eCat SKL can be seen as a kind of super batterie, since it can power itself up delivering power for others?
AR: yes
2. In mass production are you planning a one-size-fits-all version first, or different versions for different type of applications?
AR: yes
3. Could a plug-in a fridge immediately?
AR: yes
4. Is it stable enough to be used on the move, i.e. to be used in a car, to serve as a power supply for the electronic parts?
AR: yes
5. Is it now in principle stable enough to replace the batterie of an electronic car?
AR: I think so

Q: Can you give some insight into the testing of the SKL that made such a big improvement?
AR: The merit is almost totally of the improvement of the A.I., because it has resolved all the core problems we had.


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Brice
August 7, 2021 at 11:33 AM
Dear Dr. Rossi,

Congratulations! This really is FANTASTIC!!! It’s worth waiting so long while now it can produce resistive and inductive load! A masterpiece that you probably didn’t expect yourself ten years ago! A blessing for humanity!

1. Will the SKL produce enough electricity for a moderate home?

AR: the modules will be assemblable to fill any necessity of power

2. Will it also need a time to start-up? Less than a minute?

AR: seconds

3. Can it run idle without any load?

AR: yes

4. Does it still need the net for excess electricity?

AR: depends on the situations

5. Is the electric output modifiable and flexible on demand?

AR: yes

6. When can we place pre-orders?

AR: premature, probably I will be ready to give this information during the presentation

Once again congratulations, great job!

Brice

Italo R.
August 7, 2021 at 12:33 PM
Dear Dr. Rossi,
I have ordered 20 ECat SKLed flashlights and am wondering if they will be self-powered (like ECAT SKL).
It would be wonderful to have “eternal” torches that shed light without requiring external power.

AR: The Ecat SKL will be able to fuel also the Ecat SKLed

Gerard McEk
August 8, 2021 at 3:47 AM

Can the SKLed be made such that it will be self sustaining and if so would you be prepared to make them self sustaining?

AR: No

Rinus
August 7, 2021 at 10:29 AM
Dear Andrea,

You missed this one, so I repost:

Some people interpreted your answer to one of my questions in a different way than I did.
From your answers it is clear that an eCat can power a chain of other eCats.

1. But can one eCat start itself such that runs in self sustained mode?

AR: no, the start must be done by an external source

2. Will you demonstrate this in November?

AR: yes

Patrick
August 7, 2021 at 8:04 PM
Dear Andrea,

Congratulations on your latest progress.

Regarding the “AI” terminology that you use, does this mean that the SKL comes with a specialised AI microchip processor inside it?

AR: yes, also.

Calle H
August 7, 2021 at 2:46 AM
Dear Dr. Rossi,
In your reply to Walt C you indicate there is a charge to be replaced in the SKL. As there is no charge to be replaced in the SKLed is it correct that the SKL and the “power” unit in the SKLed is not the same technology?

AR: Correct
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Reply #276 - 08/07/21 at 01:17:09
 
https://days.to/nov25    click to see how many days you have to wait

Big Picture  Prediction Time .........

Rossi, Mills and the rest are working on elements of the same thing.   Heat comes first, then light, then direct power generation.

Rossi has developed the AI CONTROLS for his smaller scale reactors.

Mills is getting better, but Mills can still only run for a few dozens of hours before OOPS, AW SHITE, MELTED AGAIN tends to happen to Mills rigs.

Rossi has 5-6 year old units continuously running "heat only" and Rossi is in the roll out of his first finished products lighting products run off dedicated assembly lines.

Rossi has now beaten his reactor materials self-destruct issues and he has AI CONTROL SYSTEMS that actually work well enough to go for electric power generation now.

Given this, his stuff still isn't polished and all commercial friendly looking yet.   His distributor system is still weak because Rossi wants it weak (he has had a strong Industrial Heat actually attempt to take him over 5-6 years ago, and Rossi won't live long enough to ever get over that feeling).

Rossi is still 2-5 years ahead of the pack.   Mills is going after a LARGER SCALE market, and as such is going after LARGE CENTRALIZED REACTOR STEAM BASED HEAT SYSTEMS while Rossi is aiming small and widely distributed for his direct power producing products.

Rossi will never turn loose of his secrets, his heirs will take them on past Rossi's grave.

Prediction Time:    If he lives long enough Rossi will have a small relatively powerful  aftermarket EV booster & overnight charging capable system on the market inside 2-3 years.   First version will likely require you to plug it into your existing car yourself as the car makers won't authorize it that quickly (automotive requires LOTS of time and lots of attribute style PPAP data for OEM approvals).

He will have lights, a small heater, a large heater and a small generator in about 1 year from now, working with another set of paired distributor customers if these November demos and the initial light product introduction go well.


Mills and his constant visible failures will still set the tone for Rossi, so if Rossi burns his stuff up even once in testing that will be the icing on the Mills based regulatory distrust cake for him.


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"2021-08-07 02:46 Calle H

Dear Dr. Rossi,
In your reply to Walt C you indicate there is a charge to be replaced in the SKL. As there is no charge to be replaced in the SKLed is it correct that the SKL and the “power” unit in the SKLed is not the same technology?
Kind regards, Calle H

2021-08-07 06:26 Andrea Rossi
Calle H:
Correct,
Warm Regards, A.R."
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Reply #277 - 08/07/21 at 21:38:43
 

Same AI Control breakthrough that fixed the SKL Electric also fixed the SK "heat only" versions.

Ecat SK Heat for Industry Re-announced

Leonardo Corporation has developed a revolutionary heating technology: the Ecat SK. This technology stands on 20 years of research and development, and is based on an innovative way to apply the physics of the electron (see a theoretical explication here). Ecat SK heating can produce temperatures suitable for most current industrial process without producing carbon emissions or ionizing radiation. The Ecat SK is therefore is a safe, clean heating technology, perfectly suited for industries who are seeking to cut costs, and also reduce negative impacts on the environment.

Ecat SK heating is provided by Leonardo Corporation as a service, rather than a product. In other words, Leonardo installs the Ecat SK heating technology and retains ownership of it, while the customer pays a fee for the heat consumed.

Ecat SK heating is very versatile and can be used in many industrial applications, and can operate at a wide range of temperatures.

A few examples of suitable industrial uses of Ecat SK heat are:

Food and drink production
Cement production
Space heating
Laundry services
Petroleum refining
Paper making
Drying facilities
Power stations (driving turbines)

Leonardo Corporation is seeking to establish business relationships with industrial customers who would like to incorporate Ecat SK heating into their operations. If you are interested in discussing this with us, please complete the form below. We will respond promptly.


Existing SK units are fairly large relative to the other examples of Rossi Tech up on the Thanksgiving display table.

But, to thoroughly upstage Mills they will apparently be part of the presentation this Thanksgiving.
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Reply #278 - 08/13/21 at 19:24:57
 
 
It appears that the big silence has descended again, so Rossi's larger distributor partners are suspected to have come back into play.

The big silence is SOP for ABB, who says nothing about what they are working on until they start to sell it and then they talk very little to the public about those sales.

The Peanut Gallery is still getting used to the different levels of Rossi Tech that might be displayed come Thanksgiving.

The light is lowest cost, least amount of output, least amount of controls and is "thought to be just a phosphor coated glow bulb".

You go up from there, to a small portable generator's 4,000 watt output in the rough size of a small hand carry toolbox.   This could also be configured as a range booster or an overnight recharger for an EV car's main battery, or as an air conditioner running power supply for a cabin boat or a RV.

You go up from there to a Rossi Heat commercial installation, which is bigger and much more expensive.   You don't buy this, you just buy the seam heat it makes at a discount.   Some of these installations are actually over 5 years old now, and Rossi claims they have not had to be recharged yet.

Rossi has made a recent breakthrough in AI control systems.  In the past his output levels roughly doubled during these advancements.

We shall see in https://days.to/nov25 days .........


ALSO NOTE:

There is a positive rash of very recent patent filings, with lots of players claiming they too can do things that somebody else has done or somebody else is about to do.

DARPA and the US Navy Department of Energy Research are among these funky patent filers, just some more folks who firmly intend to not be shut out of the upcoming free for all ........

https://days.to/nov25
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Reply #279 - 08/18/21 at 22:17:06
 

Rossi: E-Cat SKL Maximum Operation in Self-Sustained Mode So Far has been 24 Hours
Posted on August 18, 2021 • 16 Comments

Here’s an interesting Q&A between Gerard McEk and Andrea Rossi from the Journal of Nuclear Physics today:

Gerard McEk
August 18, 2021 at 3:57 AM
Dear Andrea,
It is good to hear that the SKL is still working well.
Some questions to keep us informed, if I may:
1. Is the SKL continuously operating in SSM, so not connected to any external power source?
2. What is the longest duration that it is in SSM until now?
3. You have said that even while it is vacation time, you continue working on the SKL. Can you give us an impression what is still needed to do before the presentation on 11/25?
I wish you great progress and success in the preparation.
Kind regards, Gerard

Andrea Rossi
August 18, 2021 at 6:38 AM
Gerard McEk:
1- yes
2- 24 hours
3- many things, long and confidential list
Thank you for your sustain,
Warm Regards,
A.R.

It is good to learn that SSM (self-sustain mode) means that the E-Cat SKL is not connected to an external power source when it is in operation. We don’t know how many watts it is producing, but producing even 100 W with no input for 24 hours would be very impressive.

As far as presenting the SKL at the November event goes, a live demonstration of this kind of long run will not be possible to do, but maybe something can be shown to demonstrate that SKL is producing more energy than is possible from a battery pack of similar size.



Further questions showed the real meaning of the 24 hours that are mentioned above.   Rossi routinely resets his SSM mode at 24 hours on all his power generating systems,  this was a programming decision made long ago in support of the earlier pre-existing nanny states regulatory requirements.

Rossi states there are some exterior imposed "regulatory issues" that preclude him from being able to make systems that will self-run for more than 24 hours by themselves, i.e.  systems that undo the mains controlled "exterior shut ability by the utility company's computer control systems".

The basic legal regulations of power generating systems that exist now in the EU nanny states will have to be legislatively updated and modified to allow for the self-charging cars of tomorrow and for the toolbox sized generators that can actually run a household.   Right now most EU nanny states with all their street cameras and such want to be able to shut down a building at will remotely.  

Rossi's stuff intentionally does not go against this socialist nanny state preference .......
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Reply #280 - 08/20/21 at 09:05:52
 
 Not LENR but in the same field.  There's a handful of articles but this one was the most composed that I read.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/humans-just-generated-nuclear-energ...


 70% is astronomical for this kind of device.  NIF was part of the discussion when I was at CERN a while back and they weren't even close to this number at that time.   The projected timeline was 8 years to get this result, if it was possible at all.  
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Reply #281 - 08/21/21 at 13:56:10
 

They all know they have  https://days.to/nov25  days until Rossi presents his stuff, so they are all working very hard and making as many patents, announcements and various claims as they can get in before then.

That three story lab is slam full of 192 huge power sucking lasers is actually competing in the bigger output range with Mills, not with Rossi.    Mills is far far more advanced than these guys .......

They are fighting for their very funding existence, as when Rossi is demonstrated and the facts he gives out are verified and accepted their funding will shortly dwindle away.

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They all know they have  https://days.to/nov25  days until Rossi presents his stuff, so they are all working very hard and making as many patents, announcements and various claims as they can get in before then.


 Actually they think Rossi is a scam artist and barely pay him any attention.  Same as CERN, some of those guys even met him.  This run, according to Plummer and Thelin, was scheduled almost a year ago so I'm not sure how much influence Rossi has in this particular study.

 As I said before, his death threats issue is too convenient, he doesn't act at all like someone that is going to be murdered by Big Energy.  If what has been claimed is true, and he keeps going out in public, scheduling meetings etc. he will be dead before Nov, simple as that.  

 Too many things don't ad up for me to believe he has ever gone into "hiding" due to actual threats on his life.  Of course now it's just going to be the whole "It's too late now" argument because he disclosed his secrets, so killing him is pointless.

 Nov 25th will be interesting, but I am not holding my breath for a total shift in energy use on the planet.

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Rossi will announce and promote the little light for indoor veggie gardening.

If it is tuned so it suits the needs of the salad growers and the pot farmers he will get his million lights ordered at his low initial price.   If not, then he will need to announce a new price based upon what numbers of orders he does have.

The little generator will be looked at closely and a few customers will step forward to visit Rossi's lab for some in depth testing.   This all needs to be re-packaged for the owner to be able to easily swap out the charges.   This needs to look and perform like a competitive generator product as far as ease of use goes.  Rossi needs to lose the 25 minute reboot period thing completely and have his unit run continuously without interruption.

His major sized steam heat arrangement needs to be sold, not leased.  What he sells needs to be packaged for the commercial owner's maintenance people to be able to easily swap out the charges.

Rossi has got to quit trying to sell or lease prototype level stuff.    His retail products need to be polished, they need to be cheap relative to commercial heat and electricity and they need to be able to be run in remote locations off a storage battery for start up.

If Rossi does not do these things, he is wasting everybody's time again.
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https://e-catworld.com/2021/08/26/e-cat-skl-to-be-submitted-for-long-term-cer...

E-Cat SKL to be Submitted for Long-term Certification Process
Posted on August 26, 2021 • 1 Comment

Andrea Rossi has announced his intention to present the E-Cat SKLed lamp and also a prototype of the SKL electricity generator at the November 25 demonstration in Stockholm. He has made it clear, however, that only the SKLed lamp will be presented as a completed product.

He has made some comments recently stating that before the SKL will be available as a commercial product, it will be necessary to submit it for certification testing, as he has done with the SKLed. This process apparently could take about one year to complete, in which case it will be 2022 at the earliest that we can expect to have the SKL to be available.

Someone asked Rossi on the JONP whether he thought the certification time for the SKLed could help shorten the certification period for the SKL.

Rossi’s reply was: “This does not depend on us. I hope so, though”.

Rossi has also stated that the certification process for the SKL will start before the November presentation.

My guess is that if a recognized certification agency is following the established process for a product such as the SKL, they will be careful not to cut corners. While the SKLed and the SKL may share similar technologies, they are different products and will be treated as such.

I think it is Rossi’s best interest to have the SKL go through a rigorous certification process. If there are problems with long-term operation, he will certainly want them to be discovered and corrected before the product is made publicly available. A thorough certification process will also provide confidence to that the SKL is not a fake, which I think is what many people will be thinking, giving the almost miraculous thing that it is claimed to do.



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https://e-catworld.com/2021/08/23/rossi-e-cat-skl-to-cost-under-350-per-kw/

Rossi: E-Cat SKL to Cost Under $350 per kW
Posted on August 23, 2021 • 89 Comments

Here’s a question and answer from the Journal of Nuclear Physics that gives a ballpark figure about how Leonardo is planning to sell the E-Cat SKL for once it is available.

Ivan Samec
August 23, 2021 at 2:52 AM
Dear Dr. Rossi,

I understand that it is difficult to estimate prices if serial production is not yet running, nevertheless I will ask:

By a very rough estimate, do You hope that the sales price for E-Cat SKL will be below 350 USD/kW?

Best Regards, Ivan Samec

Andrea Rossi
August 23, 2021 at 3:25 AM
Ivan Samec:
It will depend on the scale. For a production of million of units, the answer would be yes.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

So if we guess that the E-Cat SKL is rated at 5 kW, it would cost a maximum cost of $1750 per unit, which I think would be an extremely attractive and competitive price.

Gasoline generators of 5 kW cost in the range of around $500-$2000 each, depending on the model and features. And of course they require gasoline to operate.

There are all-electric portable power stations, which are large battery packs, on the market which can be charged via solar or mains electricity. Currently these run in the range of around $1000 per kW.

If the SKL works safely and reliably, I don’t think Rossi would have any trouble at all in getting a million orders at the range he is talking of.


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