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Re: LENR (ongoing)
Reply #180 - 09/13/20 at 01:25:38
 

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An Interpretation of the Current E-Cat Situation

Posted on September 13, 2020 • 0 Comments

The following is simply an interpretation of what could be happening with the E-Cat, based on comments from Andrea Rossi, however I do not know how closely it resembles reality.

Imagine you are an executive at an industrial company who has heard about Andrea Rossi and his E-Cat and have enough curiosity to check this guy out to see if this if he is a liar, a lunatic or a genius. If his technology works as he claims, it would be important for your business get involved with it.

You start talking with him and he tells you about his product and explains that he is working on an advanced model of his E-Cat that can generate a lot of electricity and some heat with no need for an external energy source and miniscule amounts of fuel.

Dr. Rossi tells you that he will put on a demonstration of his product for you, you can come to his lab and test it for yourself, under a strict NDA, of course. If you are satisfied that the E-Cat is really a revolutionary technology, your company and Dr. Rossi’s Leonard Corporation will enter into a business partnership in which you provide resources to commercialize the E-Cat, and Leonardo gives you permission to produce and market it.

As you and Dr. Rossi get ready to start this testing, a global pandemic descends on the globe, and all in-person meetings and non-essential travel is put on hold. Dr. Rossi is isolated in his laboratory, and you are stuck in your office. However Dr. Rossi proposes that you get an idea of what his E-Cat can do by showing you some tests via Skype. He sets up an experiment at his lab and invites you to view it. He shows you the E-Cat SKL in operation and shows you power measurements which indicate to you that this machine is actually producing much more electricity and heat that it requires to operate itself.

You scratch your head. Is what you are seeing actually real, or is the dottore playing tricks with you? You know that things you see on the internet can be faked, and there is no way you are going to make a deal with Dr. Rossi just because of something you see over Skype. You HAVE to see this E-Cat in person, and test to your heart’s content — but the pandemic is still keeping you from going to see the E-Cat, or from having Dr. Rossi to come and see you. You have no choice but to wait.

Weeks and months pass, and slowly but surely the coronavirus crisis begins to ease and some restrictions are lifted. You and Dr. Rossi make a decision that you feel it is safe enough to plan a face-to-face meeting where you can finally see and test the E-Cat SKL for yourself. It is September 2020, and the fateful meeting is arranged.

You bring all the testing equipment you can think of to test for watts, amps, ohms, temperature and radiation. Dr. Rossi gets the E-Cat SKL set up and turns it on. It acts just like it did over those Skype video sessions. It is putting out copious amounts of electricity minute after minute, hour after hour, day after day, but it is consuming very little. You set up your radiation detectors around the E-Cat and find that they detect nothing that suggests any unusual or harmful radioactivity.

You scratch your head again. The implications of what you are seeing are staggering. You can’t deny what you are witnessing, but at the same time you are having a hard time taking the implications of it all. What you are seeing is completely new and you realize it could affect the world in profound way, and you as a company have an opportunity to play a part bringing this technology into the world

But how long can this machine operate like this? It’s been running longer than would be possible with even the best battery somehow hidden in the internal parts. But you need to know the capabilities of the E-Cat in order to market it. Will it shut down after a week or two? When will it need to be refueled? You need to do long-term testing in order to answer those questions, so you arrange with Dr. Rossi to do this.

It’s a very interesting and exciting situation, and potentially world-changing venture to be a part of. You wonder how it will all turn out, but you feel like you have no choice now but to continue what you have started.



I think Frank Acland is saying that first EV customers are scared shitless now about being "first adopters" in as much as getting publicly slammed for any shenanigans Rossi may do about this stuff out in the future.  

All of Rossi's dancing puppets are coming home to haunt him, in other words .....      
ROSSI HAS AN IMAGE PROBLEM WITH BIG BUSINESS.

The corporate image of these companies are very important to them.

That is ABB's job (to buffer Rossi's quirky personality and to give reassurance to industrial customers) .......  Rossi may be a a bit of a crackpot, but ABB has been totally respectable and honest for Hundreds of Years now.

If Rossi's image and his historical past is really that shaky he should simply license the tech over to ABB outright and then let them develop it with the various customers.

Face it, Rossi's past history with his distributors is very very very poor ......

Rossi himself may have become the main hold up.



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https://e-catworld.com/2020/09/15/rossi-e-cat-skl-testers-still-in-his-lab/

Things are still quite hazy (as seen through the secrecy curtain), but I get the feeling that the E-Cat SKL is working well. I asked Andrea Rossi yesterday if the testers of the E-Cat SKL were still doing testing in his lab. His answer was ‘yes’. Today I asked another question:

Frank Acland
September 14, 2020 at 1:25 PM
Dear Andrea,

Am I correct in assuming that if the E-Cat SKL was not working, that the testers would have packed up and gone home by now?

Andrea Rossi
September 15, 2020 at 4:45 AM
Frank Acland:
Yes.
Warm Regards,
A.R.


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Also, today on ECW, reader ‘thruthisimportant’ posted this in response to Buck on the previous thread to this one:

I like your summary for Antonio and your conclusion is correct.
I have followed the project quite close for nine years,
met with Rossi more than once,
sat in the front in Stockholm 2017 and even
watched SKL in Skype this summer.
Within a short time, I hope the main discussion here at ECW will switch from: if and how it works, to :how to get it massively diffused. There are numerous issues to solve before SKL has settled in real practical use. Why not start to bring these up already now?

I understand that generally speaking, there will be skepticism about Rossi’s claims until a signed-sealed-and-delivered third party report is published. But over the years I have gotten used to working with crumbs and clues here and there when there isn’t much else to go on, and I get the sense that the SKL is really working.
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Re: LENR (ongoing)
Reply #181 - 09/16/20 at 07:47:30
 

https://e-catworld.com/2020/09/16/brilliant-light-power-video-suncell-first-i...


https://youtu.be/6JQKOc7XUJo    it is a YouTube, just click on it


“Specifically, we ran the first internal field trial of our 250-kW thermal reactor with a molten gallium to water heat transfer system to produce boiling water and steam on a continuous basis for the planned 45-minute duration of the trial. A real time excerpt of 20% of the run time is shown in this video. Inspection of the SunCell following the run showed that it was in mint condition and ready for the next trial. We plan to run a series of internal field trials in preparation for deploying SunCells to commercial customers to perform field trials in their facilities”

Look at the size of those power feed lines --- based on the large amounts of input power being used just to keep the gallium molten that the potential for some "misunderstandings" is rather immense right now.

OK, the Mills boys can run for 45 continuous minutes now without melting down the BrilliantLightPower reactor and they can boil some low pressure water in a plastic bucket.  

Wowsers, Batman !!!!  This puts them up at the Lugano advancement level, or 7-10 years ago (pre-Industrial Heat) and well behind Rossi.

Safire is acting a good bit more advanced than Sun Cell at this stage of things, but Safire still not directly making any useable electricity ..... much less anywhere near 95% efficiency electricity as Rossi is currently doing.

Rossi is at least 5-7 years advanced to the rest of the pack at this stage of things and Rossi is rolling through the first stages of Industrial Design now and he is simultaneously building out his distributor base at the same time.

BTW, Rossi's Ecat SKL  is in essence confirmed by the silent continued presence of his commercially agreement bound first customers (potential distributors included)  --- if they had left his lab in disgust after a week like they did the first time around it would be a completely different story ......

So, the fact they are still sitting there in Rossi's lab plugging away with their tests says something is there that requires them to remain and to continue their testing in the longer term.


Interestingly, on Friday the 18th of this month the folks in Rossi's Lab will go past some sort of critical milestone, an important milestone that is not being explained by Rossi or any of the folks in attendance (at least not now, anyway).
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Reply #182 - 09/19/20 at 03:37:55
 

Yesterday, the Customer observers still at Rossi's lab may have watched the crank up of a newly constructed 95+% (refined) SKL device, proving that Rossi can replicate his break through electrical producing E-Cat at will.    Next step is to fully streamline the device for production, build the first prototype assembly process line and then build some E-Cat SKLs on that line and then test them to failure (this will take a long, but basically unknown amount of time).

Note, this is 100% product and process development activity, leading to a first production line.

Meanwhile, Rossi has ticked all the boxes on the list left by his first distributor customer three months ago and is building up a track record of personal performance that so far is unblemished.

He had done the same with Industrial Heat, until the cracks appeared in that trust relationship when IH began peddling licenses all over the world and asserting that IH "owned" Rossi's IP.

IH's Darden learned differently when he found that IH could not build a device on their own (after asserting that they could and collecting lots of money from independently contacted customers/sub-distributors).   Already on the rocks, the Rossi/IH  relationship went to court immediately thereafter due to non-payment of amounts due to Rossi.

Roll Eyes

Rossi has learned that Great Clarity is needed in wording agreements and in the granting of 95% output E-Cat SKL production licenses at the distributor level.   Rossi learned that from getting screwed over by IH and Darden.


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The size of the fully developed E-Cat SKL for an electric car will not be that large so as to have any problem fitting into the auto chassis in a good spot where there already is a cooling system in place for the large rechargeable batteries, one that circulates a coolant that can take away the unwanted heat from the SKL with no noticeable thermal loading to the car's overall system.

One of the good things about having EV as a first customer is that fulfilling the automotive PPAP requirements will make the SKL a fully tested and certified commercial device in jig time.

Plus, automotive requirements are always well documented, and Rossi seems to do well ticking off his lists .......



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Rossi: E-Cat SKL Tester is Potential Manufacturing Partner
Posted on September 20, 2020 • 2 Comments

Naturally, many people following the reports of Andrea Rossi about the third party testers who he says is currently testing the E-Cat SKL in his lab, are wondering which company or organization they are from.

Regarding this identity, Rossi has stated that it will only be revealed when both he and they are in agreement about making the disclosure. But he has given some information about some of the characteristics of this group. I asked couple of questions today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics about them.

Frank Acland
September 20, 2020 at 8:48 AM
Dear Andrea,

Is the third party currently testing the SKL a potential manufacturer of the E-Cat SKL?

Andrea Rossi
September 20, 2020 at 11:50 AM
Frank Acland:
Yes
Warm Regards
A.R.

Frank Acland
September 20, 2020 at 12:33 PM
Dear Andrea,

Is the current third party tester an entity that is already established with the ability to mass-produce products?

Andrea Rossi
September 20, 2020 at 2:14 PM
Frank Acland:
Yes,
Warm Regards,
A.R.

I do think that this is quite encouraging information for those who are hoping that the E-Cat can be commercialized. If the company is already involved in mass production, they should have the technology and expertise that Rossi/Leonardo really need to get E-Cats out there, rather than having to start from scratch and build a manufacturing base.

If, as Rossi says, the E-Cat SKL has so far performed well during the current testing regimen, it will surely have opened the testers’ eyes to the potential of the product, and I would guess they will be very interested in finalizing a deal with Rossi/Leonardo.

It could be a delicate negotiation, however, knowing Rossi’s famous protective attitude regarding the E-Cat’s secrets, and his desire to have control over the destiny of his invention. I do think, however, that Rossi will be wanting to make a deal. He is seventy years old now, and I am sure he wants to see his technology proliferate widely during his working lifetime. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out. Rossi is still saying that he believes there will be a public presentation of the SKL in 2020, and maybe by then we will have a better idea of who this mystery partner is.


Tidbits doled out by Rossi this weekend ...... the manufacturing capable distributor/customer  attended the very last Rossi presentation (either in the crowd or on the stage, which we do not know).  This tends to exclude Tesla, adding another + tickmark to ABB ???

Proposed first use is in a "mobile device".   Much too vague to limit things much, in any case ......    Still sounds EV or automotive considering all information known at this time.

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Reply #183 - 09/24/20 at 00:20:58
 


https://e-catworld.com/2020/09/24/first-third-party-test-successful-certifyin...


First Third Party Test Successful, Certifying Agency Testing Scheduled
Posted on September 24, 2020 • 3 Comments

Apart from providing information on things he considers confidential, I think Andrea Rossi is quite open about what is going on in the story of the E-Cat, it’s just that he prefers to provide information by answering questions with short answers, rather than coming out and stating what is going on.

We have learned that a third party representing a potential business partner had visited his lab to do hands-on-testing (with their own instruments). According to this Q&A the test went well and has now concluded

Rick 57
September 23, 2020 at 3:54 AM
Dear Andrea,

a few questions, if I can:
– The important test planned last Friday has been successful ?
– Can you tell us a little bit more about it ?
– By when do you expect the tests with your partner will be completed ?

Andrea Rossi
September 23, 2020 at 9:30 AM
Rick 57:
1- yes
2- no
3- with that specific partner the tests have already been completed
We have other to make.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

I followed up with a question about the next round of testing. Rossi has stated that an entity that certifies products will be coming to test the E-Cat SKL, and that the report of this test will be made public at some point.

Frank Acland
September 23, 2020 at 10:13 AM
Dear Andrea,

Has the test with the certifying company been scheduled yet?

Andrea Rossi
September 23, 2020 at 1:19 PM
Frank Acland:
Yes.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

I do trust, based on various experiences with him over the years, that Rossi is giving a true account of events (albeit without much detail). To me this is all good news. If the E-Cat is working well, and outsiders are now getting to see that first-hand, I think that bodes well for the future of this technology, and that in time there will be a public revelation of what has been going on behind closed doors for so long.
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Reply #184 - 09/26/20 at 09:10:05
 

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Rossi: E-Cat to be Certified for Both Industrial and Household Use
Posted on September 26, 2020 • 5 Comments

There is an interesting Q&A on the Journal of Nuclear Physics today regarding the scope of the certification for the E-Cat SKL testing that Andrea Rossi has said has been scheduled.

Mason asked:

A few days ago, you said that the certification testing has been scheduled. As such, it seems right that the protocols have been agreed to with the certifying agency, otherwise what is the point of scheduling the testing.

Logic says this mean that the purpose and goal of the certification has been defined. If this is so, are you able to share whether the certification is for industrial use, household use, or both?

Andrea Rossi replied:

Andrea Rossi
September 26, 2020 at 6:29 AM
Mason:
Both.
Thank you for your kind wishes,
Warm Regards,
A.R.

In the early days of the E-Cat, Rossi had been focusing only on industrial applications, he said because he believed that the product would pose safety concerns in domestic applications. This was when the E-Cat was designed primarily as a heater.

However the development of the E-Cat SKL seems to have changed all that, since it is now primarily a stand-alone electricity generator. Rossi has stated that there has never been any dangerous radiation been detected from the SKL, so maybe he feels there are not significant safety concerns that would preclude it from being used in homes.



Rossi's customer/distributor/manufacturing partner has a great deal of experience with certifying new products through UL/CSE and Various Industrial Certifications.   Apparently the customer sees no issues with going for both sorts of certifications at the same time (nice that he is that sure of things).
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Reply #185 - 10/06/20 at 07:32:01
 

Update:

In the last week, Rossi and company are proceeding to get industrial and household certifications as a charging device.   The Rossi ECat-SKL can be and do lots of other things, which will be driven by those particular customers since they understand those markets better than anybody else and the combined IP product needs their action to pursue a certification anyway.

Rossi has taken a whole new set of interested people into his lab to let them review the E-Cat SKL with their own instruments prior to working out their legal agreements with Rossi.

We now hit an integration period, a zone where the original customer's IP gets blended with Rossi's IP and a strict NDA silence will be observed by everybody as other people's IP gets more and more involved.

Businesses with much to lose in this marketplace need to be in Rossi's lab right now doing their testing and getting their initial agreements all worked out.
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Good news for the electric car industry as it currently stands.

But what is needed is a household energy device that supplies heat/cooling/electricity even if it requires an additional surge supply.
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Reply #187 - 10/06/20 at 08:28:53
 

I see a good potential use as an independent recharging station for Tiger Lake laptops, as I think they are going to need something to help them to make it through the day ......

If such existed, many of my objections to Tiger Lake in laptops would become less and less meaningful.

But, I think the initial "independent charging" unit will be far too bulky and far too "heavy handed" for that laptop charging use .....

Plus, EV uses tend to run at 80 to 100 volts DC ......
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If a lunchbox can replace a 20hp generator... all I can say is WOW!
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Reply #189 - 10/06/20 at 13:20:24
 

We need to remember the old Rossi 50% Peanut Gallery Exaggeration Rule of Thumb and use it here.

So your lunchbox is going to be a fat brief case size and is only going to be a silent 5 hp generator when first built, but it will get smaller and stronger over the next few years, doubling in output to 10 hp while getting slightly smaller.



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https://e-catworld.com/2020/10/10/rossis-business-strategy-for-e-cat-is-decided/

It seems that a consistent question from testers that now becomes priority one is  "How long does it last at rated output?"

This real answer to this question depends on a lot of long term testing of each variant as they are developed.

Rossi has hinted that some of his past designs will last a LONG TIME, some won't.   As we sit now, nobody knows the full answer for real, so you may get Rossi deciding that 6 months to a year is an acceptable replacement frequency just to tell people something conservative that he knows will work --- with him thinking it might actually be a good bit longer than that once development testing is completed.

Testing to complete wearout (destruction) is needed for some country's safety certifications (can't have it suddenly emitting a bunch of gold kryptonite radiation at the very end of things unexpectedly, you know ...... )   This will answer an important question about what is actually going on in Rossi's device, he is now saying it is Zero Point Energy and they should last until the reactor structure itself gives up ......  (unknown but much longer time).

Somebody in a nation with relatively realistic certification requirements will call the shot on this one.



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Folks have been poking at Rossi about long term "testing to end of life" (total destruction).

Rossi and others are aware of tests that are over 2 years old as the oldest ongoing "constant full output" tests of a now not really very current type of "heat only SK reactor".

Rossi simply states that many of the items that caused early SK reactor designs to age out simply aren't present in the current 95% yield SKL reactors.

The electronic functions that drive the new all plasma reactors are completely different now.   New total life runs are needed.

It is fair to say that Rossi has not got a clue as to how long the current type of 95% SKL electrical supply reactor will really last, but he would not be surprised at a 5 year life or longer.    Or a 6 month life.   Or something else entirely .......   the operating principles of the thing have changed very significantly in the past year alone.

People continue to seek overall life span time info from Rossi.   Rossi responds by saying he has never achieved a total life run, that it is all "to be determined" as in all cases the reactors came back to him according to lease terms before even getting weak.

Many of you may have missed my last dialogue with Andrea Rossi, which was the following:

Gerard McEk
October 12, 2020 at 4:53 AM
Dear Andrea,
In Jan. 12 2020 the following was asked:
“Nils Fryklund
January 12, 2020 at 5:59 AM
Dear Andrea!
Some questions about E-catSK, 22kW, which was been installed at a customer 19 november 2018:
1. Is it still giving 22kW at the customer?
2. Is the customer satisfied or has there been much problems?
3. How much fuel powder weight do you guess it has consumed?
Best regards
Nils Fryklund“
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And this was your answer:
“Andrea Rossi
January 12, 2020 at 10:31 AM
Nils Fryklund:
1- yes
2- satisfied
3- still the original charge

Warm Regards,
A.R.”
May I ask it the same questions again, what is your reply now, 3//4 of a year later? 1,2,3 same answers
4. I assume that the principles of the SK do not dramatically differ from the Ecat SKL. Can similar operation times be expected of the SKL? yes
5. Obviously the operational time does not only depend on the ‘fuel’ or charge but maybe also on wear and tear of components. But only looking to the ‘fuel’: Have you ever ran a SKL so long that the ‘fuel’ was exhausted? no
6. When that happens, is then the fuel a. exhausted or b. saturated or c. something else t.b.d.
Thank you for replying on our questions!
Kind regards, Gerard


We also know that the 1 year Doral test required Rossi to understand the aging changes that his reactors required as far as their excitement protocols as his reactors got some time on them.

Rossi made the Doral tunings by hand, now he has a Heuristic AI program built into his controllers to do the same thing core by core, automatically.

I think Rossi units can run a LONG TIME off the same charge of powder since Rossi now knows the powder itself is not consumed.

Reuse of some of the old reactor powder as a "seeder additive" to a new charge in a new reactor has been hinted at in the past.  

Doing this apparently allows for quicker and more reliable new reactor start ups.



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https://e-catworld.com/2020/10/10/rossis-business-strategy-for-e-cat-is-decided/

It seems that a consistent question from testers that now becomes priority one is  "How long does it last at rated output?"

This real answer to this question depends on a lot of long term testing of each variant as they are developed.

Rossi has hinted that some of his past designs will last a LONG TIME, some won't.   As we sit now, nobody knows the full answer for real, so you may get Rossi deciding that 6 months to a year is an acceptable replacement frequency just to tell people something conservative that he knows will work --- with him thinking it might actually be a good bit longer than that once development testing is completed.

Testing to complete wear out (destruction) is needed for some country's safety certifications (can't have it suddenly emitting a bunch of gold kryptonite radiation at the very end of things unexpectedly, you know ...... )   This will answer an important question about what is actually going on in Rossi's device, he is now saying it is Zero Point Energy and his new reactors should last until the reactor structure itself gives up ......  (unknown but much longer time).

Somebody in a nation with relatively realistic certification requirements will call the shot on this one.



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Folks have been poking at Rossi about long term "testing to end of life" (total destruction).

Rossi and others are aware of tests that are over 2 years old as the oldest ongoing "constant full output" tests of a now not really very current type of "heat only SK reactor".

Rossi simply states that many of the items that caused early SK reactor designs to age out simply aren't present in the current 95% yield SKL reactors.

The electronic functions that drive the new all plasma reactors are completely different now.   New total life runs are needed.

It is fair to say that Rossi has not got a clue as to how long the current type of 95% SKL electrical supply reactor will last, but he would not be surprised at a 5 year life or longer.    Or a 6 month life.   Or something else entirely .......   the operating principles of the thing have changed very significantly in the past year alone.

People continue to seek overall life span time info from Rossi.   Rossi responds by saying he has never achieved a total life run, that it is all "to be determined" as in all cases the reactors came back to him according to lease terms before even getting weak.

Many of you may have missed my last dialogue with Andrea Rossi, which was the following:

Gerard McEk
October 12, 2020 at 4:53 AM
Dear Andrea,
In Jan. 12 2020 the following was asked:
“Nils Fryklund
January 12, 2020 at 5:59 AM
Dear Andrea!
Some questions about E-catSK, 22kW, which was been installed at a customer 19 november 2018:
1. Is it still giving 22kW at the customer?
2. Is the customer satisfied or has there been much problems?
3. How much fuel powder weight do you guess it has consumed?
Best regards
Nils Fryklund“
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And this was your answer:
“Andrea Rossi
January 12, 2020 at 10:31 AM
Nils Fryklund:
1- yes
2- satisfied
3- still the original charge

Warm Regards,
A.R.”
May I ask it the same questions again, what is your reply now, 3//4 of a year later? 1,2,3 same answers
4. I assume that the principles of the SK do not dramatically differ from the Ecat SKL. Can similar operation times be expected of the SKL? yes
5. Obviously the operational time does not only depend on the ‘fuel’ or charge but maybe also on wear and tear of components. But only looking to the ‘fuel’: Have you ever ran a SKL so long that the ‘fuel’ was exhausted? no
6. When that happens, is then the fuel a. exhausted or b. saturated or c. something else t.b.d.
Thank you for replying on our questions!
Kind regards, Gerard


We also know that Doral test required Rossi to understand the aging changes that his reactors require out of their excitement protocols as things get some time on them.

Rossi made the Doral tunings by hand, now he has a Heuristic AI program built into his controllers to do the same thing core by core, automatically.

I think Rossi units can run a LONG TIME off the same charge of powder since Rossi now knows the powder is not consumed.

Reuse of some of the old reactor powder as a "seeder additive" to a new charge in a new reactor has been hinted at in the past.  

Doing this allows for quicker and more reliable new reactor start ups.





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Rossi: The End is in Sight for Third Wave of Customer Testing in Rossi's Lab
Posted on October 26, 2020 • 2 Comments

Thanks to Gerard McEk for submitting the following question to the the Journal of Nuclear Physics.

Gerard McEk
October 25, 2020 at 3:51 PM
Dear Andrea,
Can you tell us how testing is progressing:
1. Is the end in sight?
2. Based on the tests until now: Do you believe that the general outcome of these tests is positive?
3. Is covid 19 hindering progress at this moment?
4. Have you already planned to build a combined prototype in a product with a Partner?
Please, stay healthy, kind regards, Gerard.

Andrea Rossi’s responses:

Andrea Rossi
October 26, 2020 at 6:08 AM
Gerard McEk:
1- yes
2- yes
3- surely it does not help
4- yes
Warm Regards,
A.R.

From what Rossi has stated, there seem to have been various kinds of testing with the E-Cat SKL going on lately, and he has continued to maintain that things have been going well. I don’t know quite what to make of his affirmative response to the question ‘is the end in sight’?

Perhaps he is referring to the certification testing, which I think most people following the E-Cat story are awaiting with much anticipation. I think a third party verifying Rossi’s claims about the performance of the SKL is what is required for people to start taking the technology much more seriously.
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The Industrial Design stage has begun on the first partner product.  

Iggy Dalrymple
October 26, 2020 at 7:19 AM
Dear Dr Rossi,
Will your new product, produced by Leonardo and your partner, be powered by a single reactor or stacked reactors?
Best Regards,
Iggy

Andrea Rossi
October 26, 2020 at 11:03 AM
Iggy Dalrymple:
stacked reactors
Warm Regards,
A.R.


A simple 2 reactor stacked charger, running each reactor at either half power or at full power (most efficient) would maintain a house's power wall on cloudy days or keep an electric car running at over half charge on long trips, or could do both if the car was plugged into the house at night.  

Granularity for a dual level 2 reactor system would be 1/4 charge level, 1/2 charge level, 3/4 charge level and full 100% charge level.  

Oldest reactor would logically be used most all the time giving a reactor replacement pattern that would be fairly predictable and repeatable.

All electric solar panel equipped RVs would become self-supporting when retro fitted with this and could be parked completely apart from power supplied campground slots.

A public demo of such a thing would be the bee's knees for Rossi.    Fit out a demo RV and drive it around California and Florida / East Coast some.


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After a run of questions and answers, it has become clear that E-Cat SKL using the current controller has a finer modulated response that balances out wear life per reactor set, so that the reactor individually lasts a longer time and does not call for replacement because of a single reactor cell was getting used up first.

"Dozens of years in real use" is mentioned in discussion as "total run time" is what consumes the reactor, part throttle and idle time do not build up "total run time" at anywhere near the same rate as 100% output does.
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Reply #191 - 10/30/20 at 19:45:12
 

Mills (Brilliant Light Power) and Rossi both begin efforts to sell their products


Rossi you know about, he is making a charging system / electrical power supply product.   This fits several needs, namely EV vehicles, RVs and general emergency power needs around your house.

Rossi could also make a single room heater for residential use, but only after having lots of industrial units out in the real world for certification purposes.

Mills is MUCH LARGER in scale, heat only, could run a steam generator or heat a building or run a bakery or an industrial process or two.

Mills makes BIG heat, Rossi makes small electrical power or small  heat.  

Both are needed items, so both companies should find success at the end of their rainbows.

Mills communicates better and is well accepted by business compared to Rossi.    Rossi is too quirky and acts as his own worst enemy in a lot of ways.


https://e-catworld.com/2020/10/21/rossi-and-team-brainstorming-e-cat-skl-mark...

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For comparison, Mills is beginning his first external field trial and his industrial partners are already planning 100k units for their "initial" production run. That represents about 25GW in heat production, equivalent to roughly 0.5% of current US electrical generation capacity. If you build a better mousetrap, the world will beat a path to your door, etc. etc.

Mills' sales push will promote Rossi to move faster, and vice versa.

Scale matters, and with a COP of only 2-3 Mills is nowhere as efficient as a Rossi ECat, but as was said before, scale matters so both sources will find customers.
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Rossi: E-Cat Has Been Licensed for Manufacturing
Posted on October 31, 2020 • 11 Comments

Here’s a little bit of information that might give us an idea of what Andrea Rossi/Leonardo Corporation’s business plan might be in terms of commercializing the E-Cat.

Sture Andreasson
October 31, 2020 at 4:13 AM
Dear Andrea Rossi,

Have any of your partners been licensed to manufacture e-cat in their factory for use in their own products?

Andrea Rossi
October 31, 2020 at 5:52 AM
Sture Andreasson:
Yes,
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Andrea Rossi has commented in the past that he would like to see broad worldwide dissemination of the E-Cat. I asked him last month if he would be planning to have an exclusive deal with some company. He replied:

Andrea Rossi
September 28, 2020 at 3:53 PM
Frank Acland:
I am looking for multiple agreements. A big global family.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

So perhaps he has now made the first licensing deal with a manufacturer, and more are to follow. If the E-Cat SKL is all it is claimed to be I would imagine that many manufacturers would be interested in incorporating the E-Cat into their products.
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Confirmation from The Office of the Official Leaker

Rossi: E-Cat Has Been Licensed for Manufacturing
Posted on October 31, 2020 • 50 Comments
Here’s a little bit of information that might give us an idea of what Andrea Rossi/Leonardo Corporation’s business plan might be in terms of commercializing the E-Cat.

Sture Andreasson
October 31, 2020 at 4:13 AM
Dear Andrea Rossi,

Have any of your partners been licensed to manufacture e-cat in their factory for use in their own products?

Andrea Rossi
October 31, 2020 at 5:52 AM
Sture Andreasson:
Yes,
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Andrea Rossi has commented in the past that he would like to see broad worldwide dissemination of the E-Cat. I asked him last month if he would be planning to have an exclusive deal with some company. He replied:

Andrea Rossi
September 28, 2020 at 3:53 PM
Frank Acland:
I am looking for multiple agreements. A big global family.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

So perhaps he has now made the first licensing deal with a manufacturer, and more are to follow. If the E-Cat SKL is all it is claimed to be I would imagine that many manufacturers would be interested in incorporating the E-Cat into their products.
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Another critical step forward is outlined in the following exchange between Frank and Andrea . . . the licensee partner is already moving forward on building a manufacturing facility for SKLs.

Leonardo Inc. has made positive decisions on building out the distribution network for "rapid and broad global deployment". They apparently are not hoarding the hypothetical potential for $trillions in profits for their own income statement and balance sheet.

Now, I am left to wonder if Andrea will provide an update on the Stockholm presentation in the weeks after this coming Tuesday's US presidential election . . . when the results have become certain.
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Frank Acland
November 1, 2020 at 9:32 AM

Dear Andrea,
Is the partner you have licensed E-Cat manufacturing rights to already in process of building the capabilities to manufacture E-Cat SKLs?

Kind regards,
Frank Acland
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Andrea Rossi
November 1, 2020 at 11:34 AM

Frank Acland:
Yes,

Warm Regards,
A.R



Confirmation of facilities being built to put the E-Cat SKL assembly lines into are confirmed by Rossi.   This is not simple conjecture any longer.

Rossi has hinted that once he knows who wins the US Election he will be moving on certification (appropriately on different paths, depending on who wins the election).

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