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Reply #150 - 04/26/20 at 22:05:11
 

https://e-catworld.com/2020/04/26/rossi-says-client-is-a-potential-global-par...


Rossi says ‘Client’ is a Potential Global Partner

I keep trying to get a clearer understanding of the current situation with the E-Cat, in terms of the business plan. It occurred to me that the reason the testing situation is so important, (which has been hampered due to the coronavirus pandemic) could be because the results will determine whether a deal with a global company is reached. So I asked Andrea Rossi about this on the Journal of Nuclear Physics:

Frank Acland
April 25, 2020 at 6:39 PM
Dear Andrea,

I want to see if I am understanding correctly:

You said the party you are currently doing testing with (remotely for now) is a client:
1- who is paying for the the testing ?
2- Is this client also a potential global partner (dependant on the results of the testing)?

Many thanks and best wishes,

Frank Acland



Rossi’s response:

Andrea Rossi
April 26, 2020 at 3:12 AM
Frank Acland:
1- the clients
2- yes
Warm Regards,
A.R.

From earlier comments by Rossi, he has said that so far, no one has made an E-Cat SKL independently from himself.

To me, this suggests that Rossi is withholding certain information about the E-Cat until he has reached a deal that he finds satisfactory. And from the perspective of a client, they want to be completely sure that the E-Cat technology is the real deal before they do a deal with Rossi.



We are now resting in the potentially dangerous short strokes of a deal.   Rossi has shown it works and his clients are about done with all the remote testing they can do on his equipment.

The next step is making up the business / legal arrangements to protect both parties.   Once the main payment is made, then Rossi needs to transfer the key knowledge of how to actually do the trick.   And the Customer / Client has to prove to himself he can make an E-Cat on his own (he understands how it works).

Rossi's ego can queer the deal (again) if he simply moves too slow and refuses to release the key knowledge to the Customer / Client under an agreed upon contractual arrangement .  

Rossi is in a timed race now, too many people know too much about his existing E-Cat stuff -- it can be independently developed from what is known by the Client and by others if he drags his feet too long .....

However, Rossi has learned a good bit about big business and about protecting his interests in the last 6 years.    

Historically, Rossi will only contract to sell a technology that he already knows how to replace with something that is 2-10x better.

We know this, so does ABB as they have watched it unfold twice like that .......   so Rossi's general methods will act as a push to close this deal at a mutual advantage to both parties.

Or as a deal breaker, if things drag out too long .......
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Reply #151 - 05/02/20 at 20:46:05
 

OK, Rossi now claims to have signed deals with multiple "internationally shipping industrial based" customers for the existing level of E-Cat SKL 5 watt output electrical output from a Rubric's cube sized device.   Multiples of the 5 watt unit output can be apparently had by stacking the devices.

At least one of them is a car maker according to Frank Ackland who is drawing this information out of the slow flowing mass of "Rossi sez" questions and answers.  Rossi uses Ackland as his clarification mouthpiece sometimes when he needs to clarify what is going on in the E-Cat saga.

Rossi now admits to having several industrial capable build partners with finalized signed deals now and Rossi is also now admitting to having at least one automotive customer who has cut a deal to use his E-Cat SKL technology as a background charging (and car heater heat source).

Rossi has achieved his marketing debut under his restrictive terms of non-disclosure -- NDA terms which remain just about absolute at this point in time.

In accordance to what Rossi has already cut for deals and the NDA that is attached to them, the big silence now descends on everything all over again .....

But before he went silent Rossi also admitted to working on and having reaching early testing stage on a new larger than 5 watt SKL device which makes more electricity and relatively less heat than the 5 watt unit already tested by Rossi's Skype wielding early customers.

As I said earlier, Rossi won't sell a tech until he has a replacement coming on that is considerably better on several fronts.


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Reply #152 - 05/03/20 at 06:17:17
 

 It's interesting that none of these partners say anything at all.

 Has he managed to develop an NDA that is so restrictive that a company isn't even allowed to say they are in a deal?  If so how does Rossi get to indicate he has deals signed, but the opposite party can not?

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Reply #153 - 05/03/20 at 10:37:41
 

Until they have their incorporated product UL/CSA approved and ready to ship they cannot claim anything publicly about using Rossi tech.   Rossi's NDA is rather strict as he feels (correctly, if you are using Industrial Heat and all the games they played selling his IP all over the place as his practical training) that his customers are just buying the approved use of his currently for sale technology and that is all.   Any future stuff and all the IP still totally belongs to Rossi and you will have to pay Rossi all over again to get the next generation of stuff.

This is why Mauser Werks 7mm and 8mm rifles created this enforceable patent thing about 130 years ago, and the enforcement of patents and NDAs has taken that same model since that time.    

ARM Holdings still does this exact same thing, nobody talks about anything until that first distributor ships his first product to wholesale distribution -- this is an NDA model used by lots of international businesses using other people's licensed IP.  

The early adopter pays a premium for his first mover advantage, and the NDA assures that he gets full use of that first mover advantage in the marketplace up through initial warehouse distribution.   Generally speaking, the first mover gets to place his initial advertising before the patent owner chimes in to elaborate on the technology.

This is also why Rossi keeps such heavy heavy legal guns in his marketing and sales department --- plus ABB as an international distributor is already notoriously closed mouthed about all their business relationships.

You will notice Rossi did not make any claims at all --- he has Frank Ackland make all the claims by asking questions to Rossi then Frank expounds on the limited (and very minimal but legally correct) answers that Rossi gives out.


Frank Ackland,  Leaker in Chief of Rossi Leonardo Corporation ......
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Reply #154 - 05/03/20 at 20:21:17
 

https://e-catworld.com/2020/05/03/several-agreements-have-been-signed-for-the...

Speak of the Devil .......

Several Agreements Have Been Signed For the Commercialization of the E-Cat

Posted on May 3 by Frank Ackland --- Leaker in Chief of Rossi Leonardo Corporation

I have asked Andrea Rossi some questions about the current status of commercializing the E-Cat SKL. He has reported that during this period of coronavirus restriction, he has been conducting online video presentations of the E-Cat with several separate companies.

He has said that some of these presentations have been given to prospective customers, and some to prospective investors.

He has not named any of these companies, because he says all his dealings thus far have been under NDA, but I did ask about the kinds of entities he is dealing with.

Frank Acland
May 1, 2020 at 11:56 AM
Dear Andrea,

You have said that the first E-Cat SKL product will be an industrial one.

1. Are any of your prospective industrial customers intending to use the SKL to generate electricity for their own operations?
2. Are any of your prospective customers utilities who are hoping to use the E-Cat SKL to feed electricity to the grid?
3. Are any of your prospective customers hoping to use the E-Cat SKL to power electric vehicles?

His response:

Andrea Rossi
May 1, 2020 at 1:11 PM
Frank Acland:
1. yes
2. yes
3. yes
Warm Regards,
A.R.

I then followed up with a question about whether he expected to make any deals with those he had been showing the SKL to. He replied:

Andrea Rossi
May 2, 2020 at 11:04 AM
Frank Acland:
Several agreements already have been signed.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Brokeeper asked this question on the Journal of Nuclear Physics:

1. Are these companies not just capable of but also will begin to manufacture the E-Cats for themselves and distribution throughout their regions?

Rossi’s reply was “yes.

His short responses to detailed questions are typical for Rossi, and often leave things open to interpretation, as he will usually not elaborate about things which he considers confidential. So far we have no confirmation about these meetings or deals from anyone other than Rossi himself, so we are going to have to continue to wait for further details.
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Reply #155 - 05/03/20 at 20:42:30
 

Breaking news .....



Tesla has applied for a licence to generate electricity in the UK, documents show.

The US company, known for its electric vehicles, also has operations in battery energy storage and solar panel and solar roof tile manufacturing.

The application was made to the Gas and Electricity Markets Authority by Tesla Motors Co.

It did not make clear why the firm had applied for the licence.

It was filed on Tuesday and signed by Evan Rice, Tesla's energy products sales director.


Yes, a Rossi SKL augmented Tesla hooked up to a home Powerwall at night would be a "power generating equipment" under the terms of current British regulations.

A Powerwall running solar off the roof while putting current back on the grid for credit or payment dollars would also be "power generating equipment" under the terms of current British regulations.

Yes, Tesla needs this British license ......



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Reply #156 - 05/03/20 at 20:48:02
 

https://e-catworld.com/2020/05/03/several-agreements-have-been-signed-for-the...

Andrea continues to share his view of the contractual arrangements.

At this moment, the big clarification comes with his statement that Leonardo Inc. will be the sole source of key/critical pieces of the technology, suggesting that these customers will be responsible for engineering the integration of the SKL and future iterations of the SLRPI technology into their own particular product offering. This is an important clarification to what Andrea shared yesterday, suggesting that the customers could be manufacturing key/critical IP components of the SLRPI effect

His response to the first and second questions opens the door to many associated questions like exclusivity for a particular territory and industry. Given Andrea's prior declaration on having the goal of "rapid and broad global deployment", it will be important to understand whether this negates the possibility for exclusivity clauses.

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Gian
May 3, 2020 at 7:15 AM

Dear Andrea,
1- once the SKL verification phase has been closed, and one or more contracts have been signed with current “customers”, is the possibility of contracting others with new customers still open?
2- Are the contract or several agreed agreements referring to geographical areas (different nations or groups of nations) or are they global (referring to the whole world)?
3- Will part or parts of the SKL be produced and supplied only by Leonardo?

Thank you for what you do and for the information that you deem appropriate to release.
Gian

Caro Andrea,
chiusa la fase delle verifiche del SKL, e firmati uno o più contratti con gli attuali “clienti”, rimane aperta la possibilità di contrarne altri con nuovi clienti?
Il contratto o i più contratti concordati sono riferiti ad aree geografiche (nazioni o gruppi di nazioni diverse) o sono Globali (riferiti all’intero Mondo)?
Parte o parti del SKL verranno prodotte e fornite unicamente da Leonardo?

Grazie per quanto fai e per le informazioni che ritieni opportuno rilasciarci.
Gian
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Andrea Rossi
May 3, 2020 at 12:47 PM

Gian:
1- yes
2- we did not grant global agreements
3- yes

Warm Regards,
A.R.


Brokeeper asked this question on the Journal of Nuclear Physics:

1. Are these companies not just capable of but also will begin to manufacture the E-Cats for themselves and distribution throughout their regions?

Rossi’s reply was “yes."


There is an inconsistency here with what was said earlier, with Leonardo saying it will be providing the two key components 100% right now at the start up --- this might actually be a contingency plan to work around a total production constraint bottle neck at Leonardo Corp's single relatively small facility.  This is a potential bottleneck which is being seen as a "up and coming" expansion bottleneck fairly early on, with some few trusted partners (ABB for example) already being planned for and already being tasked for expanded key component manufacture for Leonardo Corp.
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Reply #157 - 05/07/20 at 15:50:42
 

Synopsis:

Rossi reports good success demonstrating his E-Cat SK (heat only) and his E-Cat SKL (mixed heat and electrical output) using the new smaller stackable body sizes and new smaller stackable controller size.

Approximately 10 devices of each of the current unit types are estimated to have been built at this point and these 20 units are now running long term stability / reliability exploratory tests as we speak.

Rossi sez his prototype "show me" demo stage for this initial PRE-marketable tech is over for right now.  Along with his international partners and their customers the relatively larger Industrial Design stage now begins, with integration, testing, certifying body approvals and then actual sales beginning once certifications are given to the products by the applicable certification source bodies.

Rossi firmly states that the SK (heat only) is considered a viable product for sale right now whereas the SKL (electricity only) is still only considered  a "prototype of an item under development" that IS NOT CONSIDERED READY FOR SALE RIGHT NOW.

NDA terms are going to be quite tight on the Industrial Design stage for both types of E-Cat since this is all about integration with somebody else's IP and somebody else's product designs.   The end customer/distributor will have to selectively release whatever info gets released after UL / other regulatory bodies are satisfied, not Rossi.

Work still continues on the new still yet more powerful classes of E-Cats that are still under initial development, Rossi sez.  Major size uses such as railways, trucks, ships, power stations etc. will need much larger more powerful SKL devices.  

Up scaling these things has always been very difficult to do, and this has not changed any, really.

So, improvements to the SK "heat only" and the SKL (electric output E-Cat tech) are ongoing and always will be with us churning around in the background.   Remember, 5 watts is the current electric SKL size and that is really too small to be useful in many applications as you would have to stack up way too too many of them to be useful.    SK (heat only) is currently maxing out at 10 watts heat output per unit, with a single controller able to light 10 units up in a rolling sequence and to keep them controlled and maintained at a steady output level.



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Rossi has made him a very few current roll out deals, apparently.

Rossi now has him a very few development partners who have at least one bold customer each that are trying to fit Rossi's existing product into their own product's designs and these bold pioneer folks will only make whatever progress that can be made off of the currently up for sale 2020 state of the Rossi art.

Rossi only wants a very few development partners to work with right now since he has very limited resources of his very own and these folks will need a lot of hand holding to get up and going with their applications.

Best first project will be a plug in module containing all of the self-destroying reactor components and a plug in matching controller, both of which are easily hot swappable.   Once developed tested and certified, this industrial grade component set might actually see some expanding unit sales.

I think that there will be some hidden flaws in Rossi's first mix that are (not right now anyway) that are not obvious to anybody (including Rossi).  These flaws that will pop up to stymie these very first product's development efforts after about three to six months or so and we will only get another legal battle over who defrauded whom out of them.

The next legal bone of contention will be the inevitable NEW VERSIONS of E-Cats that Rossi will invent, new versions that will have some extra more desirable traits that the folks already trying to incorporate E-Cat into their products will want and need, but these first folks will greatly resent having to pay for the new stuff all over again.

So,  the next stop is a brand new set of court cases all over again ........


Please remember, current Rossi devices still inherently self-destruct inside a 1-2 year period due to internal transformations and material destroying EVO pitting of the reactor bodies with the SKL electrical output class of devices likely self destructing about twice that fast since they have to let the plasma actually touch the electrical pickup contact points which will then get EVO eroded that much more quickly.   Until this improves, there is no real salable marketable SKL product.



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Rossi is now hinting on the brand new vistas of consumer regulatory "concerns" which are becoming apparent from Britain.   Brit law is very very very pro-consumer and assumes the consumer is a complete idiot that has to be multi-level protected from the dangers arising from their own ignorance and this results in an excessive level of restrictive regulation that is prompting Rossi to tell his British distributors to "you go deal with all of this unique British garbage requirements" with their own testing programs.

I sense Rossi is going to refocus on Norway, Sweden and the USA as those country's products are accepted by and large for shipment into Britain under the current British grandfathering rules.



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Rossi now states that his  #1 foremost distributor/client set feels that the current ECat SKL prototype is not yet ready for their main development push due to the inherent nagging reliability concerns (i.e. short unit life due to erosion of the pickup electrodes).

Until Rossi invents a general unit reliability / enhanced unit life span breakthrough in his designs this generation's push for a ECat SKL roll out is done at this time.

SK (heat only) is doing a bit better, but still no big roll out plans have been announced.   Only one (1) SK unit currently remains at a customer site, the remainder of the units have come back in under terms of the "buy the heat" agreement with each customer.

Rossi has said that at this time SKL units will not be constantly internet controlled since some of them are going to be in mobile units.   SK units are still seen as fixed units, so they can be hooked into the internet for software maintenance & "upgrades".   SKL units can get upgrades through wireless connections to your home system, so SKL will likely be more loosely maintained in that fashion.

Rossi thinks that auto updating is still important as most improvements lately are AI and software related while the hardware is considered relatively fixed compared to the software side of things.
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Reply #158 - 06/29/20 at 16:14:41
 
 
https://e-catworld.com/2020/06/05/lattice-confinement-fusion-nasa-announces-t...

https://e-catworld.com/2020/06/27/rossi-and-team-increasing-the-energy-densit...

We got two things going on that may be the same thing as seen from different perspectives.

Rossi is working on a SKL that has better "density" (more energy per volume) and NASA is floating patents on a nickel matrix device that has waste radioactives in it and deuterium gas as its host gas.   The NASA device is intended for unmanned long distance missions and it intentionally runs on up in the "active emissions" range of LENR outputs.  

Yes, that means radioactive radiation is produced .......

With this radiation trade off, you can use radioactive waste breakdown to give you a lot of extra power and much greater durability of the fuel charge.  Your satellite has no meat animals on it to be harmed by the hot nature of the device,this hot nature is similar to the large amounts of very expensive transuranics that have been used for decades now in long term exploratory satellites.   The large amount of hot nasty stuff in the old satellites or the smaller amount in the new ones still means that you still have to intentionally crash the satellite into the ocean where it is nice and deep (if they are going be allowed to fall back to earth at all)  .......  or you intentionally let them wander off into deep space forever.

This shows that the earlier NASA research efforts to use LENR to transmute/recover radioactive wastes have indeed yielded some mixes that have significant power outputs compared to the 100% clean stuff that Rossi is pushing with his E-Cats.

It also indicates that a deep understanding of Rossi's stuff exists apart from Rossi.

In both cases, Rossi has been apparently doing some "occasional" work for a paying customer along the way .......

NASA put up the patents for the devices on line for several days, then took them down for security reasons.    Being the internet, they were all cached several times while they were active and that info is still available as links in the web sites listed above.


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Rossi now sees the SK (heat only) units becoming "over taken" shortly by the SKL units.   Since none of the above are being sold yet, it is all a moot point right now.

The theory of LENR is getting more complex and more "mature" as more directed basic research is done.   We are understanding "right and left hand rotation particle change" better and that leads to understanding "transformation of elements" better.

It no longer takes a supernova to make up transuranic elements any longer, they can slide together without all that BIG BANG that was presumed necessary by earlier scientists.

Exotic Vacuum Objects are still only partially understood, but small ones can reliably exist when powered by a 9 volt battery .......  that is significant potential progress in power generation.

And yes, some of the power seen is coming from the vacuum.  While we certainly don't understand the multi-dimensional aspects of LENR yet but we are advanced enough to entertain these "energy from the vacuum" sort of ideas once it is realized that LENR is not any form of fusion a la any of the types of hydrogen bomb fusion that we know about .......  

Instead LENR is some form of energy generated during transformation of particles but the full element transformations that may result from "adding in" the particle transformations that result in extra neutrons, protons and electrons are not 1) seen as necessarily "beneficial"  nor are they  2) the source of the energy or the organized electron flows produced by SKL units.

Rossi now thinks Bohm's thoughts hit closest to the mark at this particular point in space/time (pun is intentional).

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Reply #159 - 07/13/20 at 01:45:04
 

https://e-catworld.com/2020/07/07/mining-the-e-cats-plasma/

We have people raking through old electrical discharge plasma research which is finding that a lot of this EVO stuff was "discovered" back in the 30's and has been worked through a couple of more times in the 50's and 60's.

https://youtu.be/cAFNgYqj0vU  (this is a video, click on it)

Greenier makes an interesting conceptual leap, he points out that the Earth's crust  around you is littered with geodes, items with ratios of thickness, wall size and diameter which are always a consistent ratio and functionally seem to match up with the ratios of the EVO remnants found inside the minerals of his reactor walls.  

ONE MORE TIME ......  the geometry ratios (radius, wall thickness and diameter ratios) of the geodes matches up with the ratios of the tiny things that Bob sees in his reactor EVOs.

Once again, more proof that LENR is a natural phenomena, a very long standing natural item that can only have application patents placed against it.

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Reply #160 - 07/18/20 at 05:49:29
 
https://e-catworld.com/2020/07/13/rossi-clifford-algebra-unlocks-the-mechanis...

https://e-catworld.com/2020/07/16/rossi-thinks-zero-point-energy-is-source-e-...


Rossi ‘Thinks’ Zero Point Energy is Source of E-Cat’s Power
Posted on July 16, 2020 • 44 Comments
Here’s an interesting Q&A from the Journal of Nuclear Physics today:

Greta
July 16, 2020 at 1:47 AM
Dr Rossi,
Does have your effect in the Ecat SKL its primary source in the point zero energy ?
Greta

Andrea Rossi
July 16, 2020 at 2:46 AM
Greta:
I think so,
Warm Regards,
A.R.

A summary about zero-point energy (ZPE) from Wikipedia:

Zero-point energy (ZPE) is the lowest possible energy that a quantum mechanical system may have. Unlike in classical mechanics, quantum systems constantly fluctuate in their lowest energy state as described by the Heisenberg uncertainty principle.[1] As well as atoms and molecules, the empty space of the vacuum has these properties. According to quantum field theory, the universe can be thought of not as isolated particles but continuous fluctuating fields: matter fields, whose quanta are fermions (i.e., leptons and quarks), and force fields, whose quanta are bosons (e.g., photons and gluons). All these fields have zero-point energy.[2] These fluctuating zero-point fields lead to a kind of reintroduction of an aether in physics,[1][3] since some systems can detect the existence of this energy; however, this aether cannot be thought of as a physical medium if it is to be Lorentz invariant such that there is no contradiction with Einstein’s theory of special relativity.[1]

Physics currently lacks a full theoretical model for understanding zero-point energy; in particular, the discrepancy between theorized and observed vacuum energy is a source of major contention.[4] Physicists Richard Feynman and John Wheeler calculated the zero-point radiation of the vacuum to be an order of magnitude greater than nuclear energy, with a single light bulb containing enough energy to boil all the world’s oceans

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy

ZPE is one of those fields that has been discussed and theorized in the world of science (and science fication) and has fascinating possibilities, but to this point, no technology has come to market that harnesses ZPE, but maybe if Rossi is correct, the E-Cat can change all that.


Clifford Algebra is needed to understand the technical explanations --- good luck with that stuff, boys and girls .......

And with any brand new field of science, they spend a lot of time chasing a lot of wrong rabbits and a lot of time just proving it ISN'T what they first thought it was at all.  

In this case, the Coulomb barrier is not being breached as it is not being violated by something entering into the nucleus of the atom against the native repulsive charge and "spin forces" --- the new mini-particles that are coming into being occur inside the Coulomb barrier carrying the same charge and spin as all the rest of the nucleus, so to them it is "home sweet home" to begin with.  

Ergo, no ejected particles and no radiation ......


In conversation, Rossi drops the key reason he thinks some form of zero point or vacuum energy is involved is that his first reactors "used up" their fuel in about a year.   Rossi's current crops of long term test reactors are running multiple years now at full power with no degradation of power output seen at this time.

The current life span limiter of a Rossi reactor is the progression of EVO pitting (formation of tiny geodes) in the reactor materials, especially in any electrodes that are poking into the plasma to act as electron collectors.
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Reply #161 - 07/24/20 at 03:14:16
 

https://e-catworld.com/2020/07/23/rossi-preparing-exponentially-superior-e-ca...


Rossi Preparing ‘Exponentially Superior’ E-Cat SKL For Tests
Posted on July 23, 2020 • 46 Comments

Andrea Rossi has stated that he has been working on developing a higher density version of the E-Cat SKL, and from the following Q&A, it seems that it is not far away from being put into action:

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July 23, 2020 at 7:03 AM
Dr Rossi,
Can you make a comparison between the complexity of the Ecat SKL first module and the new one you are making with a much higher power density ?

Andrea Rossi
July 23, 2020 at 8:10 AM
Fredrik:
The new Ecat SKL has a much more complex structure, albeit it has the same dimensions. I’d say that the last one has a technology exponentially superior.
We are still mounting it and it should be ready for the first tests within the end of this week.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

We don’t know what the initial power output of the the SKL version 1 is, so it makes it hard to guess what the new one will be. Rossi has stated interest in having an SKL powerful enough to be used in electric vehicles, so perhaps he is trying to reach levels similar to those of the current EV batteries on the market.



It becomes more clear that in the first round of SKL demo runs that Rossi has found him a viable customer that is very interested in charging EV batteries.

In pursuit of this customer application, Rossi is barreling down on a potential battery booster technology using his newest wave of E-Cat SKL tech.

Verbally, Rossi alludes to 1,000 electrodes penetrating the plasma envelope to act as multi-redundant electrical pick up points.

A one week long experiment starts tonight --- this newest theory will either work great or it will fail very very quickly.   Rossi hopes that by having "enough pick up electrodes" means that he can lose a proportion of them randomly due to EVO pitting and still have a long term functional reactor.

Roll Eyes

Base research like this leads to improvements in Rossi's reactors.   Rossi is already hinting that his SKL will overlap and replace the old SK "heat only" reactor because Rossi can turn the heat way down and the electricity extraction way up, or conversely turn the heat up and the electricity extraction way down at will.

Attach a room thermostat and a power wall battery to the mix and you've got a room heater that can charge your car and power all your laptop and electronics for peanuts while heating your room.

An all electric remote living RV could become possible ......

A gas pack sized outside environmental control unit could environmentally control your house ......  power all your gizmos .....  charge your car.    Remote living would be possible.
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Reply #162 - 08/01/20 at 00:15:15
 

https://e-catworld.com/2020/07/31/rossi-new-e-cat-skl-revolutionary-masterpie...


Rossi: New E-Cat SKL ‘Revolutionary, Masterpiece of My Life’

Andrea Rossi posted this comment on the Journal of Nuclear Physics today:

Andrea Rossi
July 31, 2020 at 12:49 PM
Aleksei Savchenko and All Readres of the JoNP:

Just finished now my job of today, started early this morning at 5.30 A.M.
The work of today has been important, but it is important also this introduction to the information: THE TEST OF TODAY HAS BEEN IMPORTANT, BECAUSE I USED A REVOLUTIONARY CONFIGURATION OF THE ECAT SKL, BUT FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO MAKE THIS DISCLAIMER: THE TEST OF TODAY HAS BEEN MADE BY ME ALONE, NOBODY ELSE WAS PRESENT, NOT EVEN BY SKYPE, THEREFORE THESE DATA MUST BE READ WITH RESERVE ( IN ITALIAN WE SAY ” CON BENEFICIO D’INVENTARIO” ).

In September, Covid 19 permitting, we will have an important third party nominated by a Partner that will control the measurements remaking them. Therefore for now you are just taking my word, right or wrong as it might be, albeit I think I am right. The new Ecat SKL is the masterpiece of my life. It works in closed loop and generates the electric energy to fuel itself, plus generates 4 kWh/h of electric energy. I consumed only 130 Wh/h to flow away the thermal energy that is irradiated from the Ecat ( about 1 kWh/h of thermal energy is in total emitted ).

The volume of the Ecat reactor is in total 100 cubic cm, while the whole is contained in a heat dissipator box whose dimensions are cm 20 x 20 x 20, plus we have outside it the control box, which is extremely complex and does not dissipate heat thanks to passive cooling systems that are very efficient. More work has to be done, but now for a couple of weeks I will take my holidays, because I am very tired. A big step forward has been done. We should possibly have an electric engine with infinite autonomy, it seems. We’ll see.

Warm Regards,
A.R.



Rossi comes across as exhausted but elated, his "thousand electrical contacts" idea worked and he harvested 4 kilowatt hours of electricity from it over the course of the one day experimental run.

Not bad from an initial experimental rig up .......

His reactor outer housing (less control box) is ~ twice ~ the size of a gallon of milk.  Inside it is the reactor proper which is roughly the size of a kid's waxed cardboard apple juice container.

Rossi got roughly the electrical power output of a 5hp gasoline generator off this unit once he got it running close to right.   He ran it for 24 hours to see if it was stable and to see if it would restart easily, then he stopped it pending customer input on customer required 3rd party tests.

He "heat wastes" 1/4 of his electrical output level in misc. stray heat, which is somewhat similar to what normal gasoline engines do (actually, at a better yield to waste heat ratio than gas engines currently do).

You can charge a Tesla during the night off this sort of power output levels.   Three of them could run the Tesla directly with a small battery just for surge type acceleration loads.


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Rossi and his main customer now need to decide how to announce/demo/test this thing, once the customer is satisfied it really meets his needs for durability and power delivery.

Last time the Customer came in, he left disappointed but gave Rossi a list of things to do before calling him back.   Rossi still needs to prove DURABILITY which takes time to do.

Rossi can sell what he has now to somebody, even if his current main customer still remains somewhat disappointed in the existing state of the art.

Reminder, most RV gas generators are around this size of power outputs, so you could likely run your electrical motored RV home off of one without much trouble, charging up your main battery bank for the next leg of your trip and making your hot water and winter heating for free from the waste heat.

Most likely, the big non-disclosure silence descends all over everything again, pending full multiple customer reviews and decisions.
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Reply #163 - 08/05/20 at 02:34:12
 

This is the Ragone plot of all the various E-Cats vs a gram of plutonium in a state of the art plutonium reactor (small very radioactive hot reactor) similar to what is used in NASA deep space probes.

There is a lot of discussion about these plots as to whether you should use total reactor weight or just the charge weight in your calculations -- since E-Cat L doesn't really use much reactor charge weight as consumables you could argue that E-Cat L gets closer to plutonium as far as energy per gram goes ......

So, the power efficiency of the fuel itself is a different question from the reactor installation's total overall efficiency ---- the bad news is that the data this chart is based upon is mixed up between these items since Rossi does not offer detailed fuel consumption data on all his installations.

HOWEVER, you can plot the actual output power levels to see what the reactors functional output was relative to each other .......   this is more relevant to most folks in the short term anyway.    

Combo output reactors like Rossi's E-Cat L series are once again difficult to characterize properly as heat isn't all of it and plotting "electrical only" is ignoring the benefits to be taken from the "waste heat" which in a good installation the heat always gets used too.

Rossi's oldest reactors always ran up at the ragged edge of melt down because he could not control and moderate them very well at that early-on point in time --- Rossi used cooling water flow to keep these reactors from melting down as they would destroy themselves otherwise.   Rossi has learned a bunch about how to control his newer generations of reactors and it shows in the "less than meltdown level" running outputs that he can run at now-a days.

There is hope to be taken from these more moderate output levels ---- that "larger reactors" that wouldn't melt down might actually become possible out in the future.


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Reply #164 - 08/07/20 at 07:19:27
 
 I am still not convinced.  I was able to look through some of this on a flight back to CO and the ground-wire readings from the older system are still to accurate for me to ignore.  I took the time to re-watch the entire 3 hour video, pausing at times, taking notes on comments etc.

 Why in the Jan video, or any other source of information, are the measurement points not defined?  This in any other environment makes measurements useless.

 I just can't see why anyone that has a 1 input to 14 output ratio of energy would disallow all measurements of internal source output?  Measurements would not reveal any intellectual tech/concepts/information etc.  

 Why will he not let anyone measure the ground wire while he is away from the device control?  This is his largest nemesis, one test and it would be over.  Why keep a simple ground wire reading from being done?
 Nothing about a ground wire reading reveals anything about E-cat tech.  
 
 I need to find time to do more research, my understanding is the maximum theoretical conversion efficiency of any heat engine would be equal to 100% or at least extremely close, but I need to get together with a number of people to help me get a better grasp on how this works specifically.  With all this COVID diversion with my work it's been hard to schedule these types of conferences but as I return to my normal job I plan to look into this further.

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