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Re: LENR (ongoing)
Reply #135 - 11/19/19 at 13:24:28
 
Here is a link to the final article in the 3 part series about Cold Fusion
published on November 19, 2019 in the Asia Times.

"Asia and the commercial future of cold fusion"

https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/11/article/asia-and-the-commercial-future-of-c...

Unfortunately, this installment is rather short on substance.
It covers the research efforts (or lack there-of) in China and India, but little more.
It's still worth the short read to get a perspective on their progress and interest
in the field of Cold Fusion research.
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Reply #136 - 11/22/19 at 02:13:47
 

Rossi keeps posting that his latest and greatest is imminent, but he is getting feedback from the peanut gallery NOT TO ANNOUNCE IT until it is ready to sell some early placement units.

No "selling heat", no leasing hardware.   If you haven't got a finished product (either heat or electricity or whatever combination Rossi is so pumped  up about at the moment --- then hold off until you do).

Keep your puppets in the trunk, keep your half cooked "not ready for prime time" ideas in the trunk as well.

Rossi needs to stage a professionally done review of his new product and get ABB to announce early placement sales of the units .......  sales from ABB, not Rossi Leonardo.

Rossi's image is simply mud at the moment and unless he works carefully to recover his image and only put forward a solid product for widespread use and review Rossi is pretty much done at this point in time.


Tongue         ...... I will post something again on when Rossi has something significant to say that is real.
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Reply #137 - 11/24/19 at 04:16:29
 

https://e-catworld.com/2019/11/24/statement-of-andrea-rossi-we-did-it-obtaine...

Rossi gets a self-powering SK Leonardo, makes a small surplus of electrical power that can re-charge the start up battery on top of maintaining power to all the electronics pumping and controlling the reaction.

Statement of Andrea Rossi: “We Did It, Obtained Permanent Self Sustaining Mode”
Posted on November 24, 2019 • 45 Comments

Here is a statement made on The Journal of Nuclear Physics by Andrea Rossi this evening:

http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=892&cpage=464#comment-1417348

Andrea Rossi
November 23, 2019 at 9:43 PM
Dear Readers of the JoNP:
We did it.
Obtained permanent self sustaining mode with production of strong excess of electricity, generating more excess of electricity than of heat.
It is a revolution.
We did not violate unity, we just discovered an energy that had not been exploited before.
I am very tired.
Independent parties tests will follow, eventually we will make a presentation.
I think we made something that will make a revolution.
My team colleagues are saying to me ” Andrea, stay calm, be humble”. They are right. Now I am tired, must reorganize the ideas. The work in these last 2 weeks has been very hard, but we did it. This morning, late, we got more electric energy that the electric energy necessary to make the Cat work. The increase is strong.
Too big to be true, but it is true.
If you are reading this message, means I am not dreaming: our Readers are independent parties that can convince me I am not sleeping and I am really writing this.
The merit is of my fantastic Team, without them this could not have been done.
Warm Regards,
A.R.


..... after four days of quiet interrogation on his forum ......

Some new info has been wormed out of Rossi --- his heat vs electricity split is 60/40 on his very best settings on his very best working unit, and he can harvest an honest 10% electricity out of that ongoing without fouling up his reactor's operations.

Rossi is predicting a six month "reactor decay" replacement cycle on what he has now for the electrical units and Rossi does not judge the new reactor life span to be as nearly as good as his old heat only reactors could do.

Rossi is doing something that the Mills sun cell can also likely do, if Mills can finally overcome his run-away overheating issues.



Some expansions from the peanut gallery boys .......

Congratulations to Andrea Rossi and his team!!

Congratulations to Frank Acland as well. I can’t wait to read the ECW posts in the next few weeks and months. Fascinating times ahead.

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Frank Acland ECW Admin  FC • 8 hours ago
Thanks FC. This is probably the most important milestone in this story since Rossi first burnt his finger and realized he had something.

What he is claiming is unbelievable - to make a device that you don't plug in to anything, and it produces light and heat with tiny amounts of fuel that lasts for months on end - but I believe him.

Sure, it has to be confirmed and I'm glad to read that the next step will be independent testing from outside parties. Following that a presentation at which I hope these independent testers will report. Should be very interesting times going forward.

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Axil Axil • 9 hours ago • edited
What I would now like to know:

Regarding: "We did not violate unity, we just discovered an energy that had not been exploited before."

What is the breakdown of the percentages of all energy production formats as well as the total amounts of power that are now being produced including total power output. In particular, how much heat and light production as a percentage of total power output has been lost if any in this new electrical production system.

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Buck  Axil Axil • 9 hours ago
Axil, your focus and curiosity is admirable.

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Axil Axil  Buck • 9 hours ago
I have noticed that we can only extract info out of Rossi when he is in the state of excited euphoria. Strike while the iron is hot.

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Buck  Axil Axil • 8 hours ago • edited
You are mostly right. Though, he is probably away from work until tomorrow.

So, post your question on JONP for him to contemplate an answer when he gets in.

In fairness, he likely won't answer the question with all the details yet. But, you never know until you ask! ! !

It ain't all that simple, boys and girls ---- this idea is under development and that is the real reality at this time.  

My sense is that the reactors are self-destroying themselves in six months time at these settings, so this is just the first solid step forward in electricity and 3 big steps back in reactor life and reliability.   Rossi et al are just learning how to do it AT ALL, it is years & years before these new reactors are refined, reliable, certified and sold anywhere.
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Re: LENR (ongoing)
Reply #138 - 11/28/19 at 02:53:09
 

Update a week out from the news announcement

Andrea Rossi
November 26, 2019 at 10:47 AM
Stefano G.:
For many reasons the certification of efficiency has been decided to be done by an entity that is specialized to test the efficiency of this kind of things.  They are specialists and as far as I am concerned they can do what they want.  

To measure the Ecat SK Leonardo is very simple: no energy enters, electricity and heat exit. To measure the Watt Hours through a load is simple, to measure the Joules at the input and the output of a heat exchanger is well known.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Andrea Rossi
November 26, 2019 at 12:58 PM
Frank Acland:
The certifications of the efficiency made by the entity that will make the test on the Ecat SK Leonardo.
Should be completed within January.
Warm Regards,
A.R.


Rossi is going to get somebody reputable to review his black box rig since it is totally mobile.   I trust he is going to take some particular care that his device not get hijacked & stolen nor himself assassinated in doing this kind of activity.

Rossi is moving up from buffoon to "an active threat to the status quo" by this move.

Do you understand why Frank Ackland and Mats Lewan have both asked Rossi to please please please back up all his top secret information at several locations with people that he trusts?

Remember when Nicola Tesla died, that the Feds swooped in and confiscated all his papers and notes?   The neat stuff that Tesla invented late in his life never saw the light of day again ......
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Reply #139 - 11/29/19 at 01:46:34
 

https://e-catworld.com/2019/11/28/rossi-38-watts-starts-and-maintains-the-e-c...

The standard SKLeonardo takes a whopping 38 watts of wall socket power get it up and going, and NOTHING to maintain and control it as it makes its own power afterwards.   The 38 watts to get it rolling can come from the built in battery, no problem there.

Free charging for your electric car, free car heating in the winter time.

Put your home anywhere you can get access to it.  Live off the grid completely.

Boy, I can dream up some stuff over this ......
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Reply #140 - 11/29/19 at 20:38:42
 

 I dream of the day someone besides Rossi confirms any of this through testing.

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Reply #141 - 02/04/20 at 08:23:52
 

We now only post significant stuff, things that change that are important.

Rossi is now working with his industrialization / commercialization / PR partners to prep for his really big electrical production show & tell.

He is getting partner feedback from his own partners that slowly eating up his reactor internally due to transformation effects is actually considered a serious flaw and he needs additional work to mitigate the reactor low life span effects (to lengthen his unit's life span) and he has to lower the reactor's cost significantly if the reactor cartridge has to be pulled and replaced yearly as a preventive measure.

Rossi has approached this with some expensive esoteric materials, materials that are too costly to use and really not enough of an improvement.   Rossi then turned to the frequency controls of the plasma that he discovered while chasing electrical production -- far less costly and relatively more effective anyway.

Next, taking these same reactor transformation effects as the root cause his electrical producing SK-L isn't 100% reliable in the longer term as when it gets partially transformed it simply stops working in the same way and requires a full learning restart (AI relearning) to get it to going again.

In other words, Rossi is not judged ready for his February show and tell .......

(and this being judged by his own partners)


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On the flip side, these issues are FAR FAR less serious than the stuff that comes along with fission reactors.   Having to plug in a new E-cat cartridge is no big deal compared with dealing with the pile up of nuclear waste that sticks around for the next 40,000 years ......

Working fusion reactors are still a decade away (or more) and new evidence is beginning to show that all types of fusion reactors will have these same potential issues with structural transformation of the reactor chamber over the long term.
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Reply #142 - 02/05/20 at 08:11:58
 

So what happened, what changed to put reactor life & durability issues front and center again  ????


Axil Axil • 14 hours ago • edited

There is an inherent design contradiction in the essential nature of the LENR reaction counterposed with the electron generating function that it is expected to perform in the SKL reactor.

In detail, the job of the SKL is to produce electron flow. This means that the electrons must exit the plasma and be captured by the structure of the reactor. This function is contrafactual with the nature of the EVOs that are producing the electron flow. The only way to keep the EVOs away from the structure of the reactor is to electromagnetically confine the EVOs to the center of the plasma.

But if you confine the EVOs, you will also be confining the electrons to the center of the plasma. If you deconfine the EVOs, then those EVOs will eat away at the structure of the reactor that is collecting the electrons to produce electrical power.

This inability to keep the EVOs away from the structure of the reactor while simultaneously collecting electrical power is a fundamental system problem that needs an inspired solution to resolve this reliability issue. If this issue is not resolved, the structure of the SKL reactor will slowly deteriorate and eventually fail.

This late onset type of problem could have been the reason why Rossi was so excited and optimistic about a fast product release timeframe. But over extended testing, the SKL began to fall to pieces and the dimensions of the problem caused Rossi to reconsider his commercialization strategy.

In the SK reactor, the EVOs can be confined while the heat is able to exit the plasma since infrared/UV/visible photons are not affected by a magnetic confinement field that confine the EVOs
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Me, I want "simple heat", so go back to the simple heat generating room heater and MAKE UP A FINISHED PRODUCT and sell it already.
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Reply #143 - 02/08/20 at 22:36:47
 

Remember the India silica foundry that was electrically arc smelting raw silica ore and in doing so incidentally transmuted 200+ TONS of elements each and every day?


Here is another one.

For example chickens continue to make calcium shells for their eggs even if there is no calcium in their diet as long as there is plenty of phosphorus available to them, it appears that lowly chickens can transmutate elements in service to reproduction.

This one is muddied up a bit by chickens being Accomplished massive recyclers of calcium, phosphorus and other egg related elements -- this ability coming from their dinosaur lineage.

It is thought that gut bio-organisms in chickens are the ones actually doing the transformations -- this is in line with what microbiologists are seeing in radioactive waste reduction due to similar microbiological activities.

But the scientists simply watching and counting the grams still are seeing many grams of Calcium showing up that are not coming from what the chickens are being fed.  However, there is a dietary requirement for digestible organic phosphorus that is needed for this transformation substitution to take place.   Chicken shite is a good source of organic phosphorus and some calcium, so all poop needs to be cleaned from these test cages daily to de-muddy these tests.  

And, BTW, not by the chickens themselves.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fphys.2018.00627/full

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Reply #144 - 02/22/20 at 09:48:28
 

https://youtu.be/9pw-BlrsvN0


This is a discussion of the reactor changes done to the internal reactor materials by EVO activity.

This is why Rossi replaces his reactors yearly, they get turned into internally micro perforated swiss cheese by EVO cavity pitting.

This is an internal 3-D effect, making donut toroidal shapes inside the material itself as well as out on the surface.

Energy is released by this sort of stuff, so some of the donut micro-pits seem to turn into tiny volcanoes of molten metal.

Reference is made to tunnels forming internal to virgin stable garnet (hard crystal material) by this sort of activity.   Clear garnet shows up any EVO tunneling and cratering clearly.

Microbiological life can deal symbiotically with this sort of stuff in some sort of organic fashion, apparently.   This may be the mechanism behind radioactive element transformations in microbiological solutions that are currently being investigated, as it it now known that once the radioactives go through this microbiological activity they are stable non-radioactive elements afterwards.

Larger EVOs that show that a form of "propulsive force" can develop which explains the tiny conical craters which have been shown before by the MFMP folks.



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As of 2/28/20 ---  Rossi claims to have fixed his issues with reliability but apparently in some lesser fashion that isn't a real 100% rock solid sort of fix.

Rossi has always had EVO formation "swiss cheesing" his reactor vessels, he has always planned a 6 months to 2 year service life out of a reactor (the ones with very much more durable and expensive construction parts lasting the longer periods of time of course).   So I would guess "fixed" maybe means back in line with the earlier proposed reactor replacement cycle?

Question becomes "is Rossi really ready to start selling stuff" according to his own partners?  

They are the ones who will pay out the arse on the class action lawsuits, after all ......



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As of 2/28/20 ---  Rossi claims to be almost ready "to imminently start his 3rd party secure site testing run" --- a run which will likely be with the same Upsalla  University observer folks, possibly at a local industrial secured site location.

...... yes, everybody is just guessing at stuff again, but now they have some hints that cause them to guess this way.
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Reply #145 - 03/08/20 at 01:26:14
 

Ok, it is two weeks later,  and Rossi has his "qualification unit" being verified by his formal testing party prior to announcing the actual test.   His partner is supposedly part of this effort this time.

The actual test will take place in March, supposedly.   Once the "qualification unit" is all qualified and the test parameters are agreed upon and available to be published, then the test proper will be put up on the web as some form of live feed arrangement.

Unit is supposedly a fat bread box in size, and it outputs up to 5 amps at 110 volts.   It is totally portable but does require input AC power to get the ball rolling, then supposedly the box goes into SSM and requires no input power until the powder charge (and the reactor itself structurally) requires being changed out.

These details are taken piecemeal from multiple Rossi question/answer series and are about as clear as mud at this point in time.

Rossi is taking comments on the test parameters from the peanut gallery with the clear intention to make the test both definitive and complete.

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Reply #146 - 03/11/20 at 18:41:02
 

Italy has shut itself down to all group gatherings, so Italy is out as far as a place to do the Rossi Reveal.

If Rossi cannot shift over to Sweden, he will have to go with just a live feed on the internet, which he has said he was going to do anyway to widely disperse his new product announcement.

ONCE AGAIN, if you are not announcing a real shippable product, please don't waste our time.   Leave your puppets and other non-real items at home, be professional and VERY SERIOUS in what you announce.

And for crimmy's sake, don't go get sick on us .......   old people die from this shite.
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Reply #147 - 03/14/20 at 23:02:03
 

https://e-catworld.com/2020/03/14/rossi-well-developed-business-plan-prepared...

Frank Acland
March 14, 2020 at 8:42 AM
Dear Andrea,

How well-developed is your business plan at this point?

Andrea Rossi
March 14, 2020 at 9:33 AM
Frank Acland:
Our business plan is well developed, prepared well together with Deloitte and foresees differenrt scenarios depending on the allegaices.

Thank you for your kind attention to our work,
Warm Regards,
A.R.

It’s interesting that he mentions Deloitte here. Deloitte is a well-known multinational company that offers business services to clients around the world. Here is a description from Wikipedia:

Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu Limited /dəˈlɔɪt ˈtuːʃ toʊˈmɑːtsuː/, commonly referred to as Deloitte, is a multinational professional services network. Deloitte is one of the “Big Four” accounting organizations and the largest professional services network in the world by revenue and number of professionals with headquarters in London, United Kingdom.

Deloitte provides audit, tax, consulting, enterprise risk and financial advisory services with approximately 312,000 professionals globally. In FY 2019, the network earned a record US$46.2 billion in aggregate revenues. As of 2017, Deloitte is the 4th largest privately owned company in the United States. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deloitte)

One would expect that Leonardo and any partners he is working with would be thinking big if they are using Deloitte’s consulting services. Deloitte would be up to speed on all the current business practices involved in launching new new technology like the E-Cat into the marketplace, and would be aware of some of the pitfalls and obstacles that might be faced.


Rossi is still mum as to his manufacturing partner.   His PR and business planning is being done by Deloitte, so he has the serious planning and PR help available that he certainly needs.

ABB uses Deloitte for their business planning and PR needs, so Rossi using Deloitte flows right along with the still top secret ABB partnership.    

Why all the ABB secrecy?    ABB is being mindful of its image.   E-Cat is currently crackpot stuff and ABB seems to like it that way.   ABB does not want their major competitors nor the USA nor other major governments to jump into the E-Cat stuff at this stage of things.   The longer E-Cat stays "crackpot" the more money ABB will be able to make off of it before it is taken out of their control.    

It is also clear that ABB distrusts the current state of E-Cat tech as not really being 100% ready for full market wide dispersal.

Some of the tests and certifications Rossi has gone through in the past were required by Industrial Heat and all of the current testing hoops are being held up by ABB.

Rossi has not been honest with his past partners, there was an actual legal war between IH and Rossi there at the end and false information was given out on both sides --- so with this sort of history ABB is wise to be cautious and to require multiple verifications and long trial runs from Rossi.
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Reply #148 - 03/18/20 at 08:56:00
 

WHAT CAN YOU DO WITH 5 AMPS AT 110 VOLTS?

The 5 amps is a steady running output supply so you can certainly use it to charge a power wall style battery which then can be used for higher temporary  peak loads, provided that there is enough time at lower loads to balance out the battery charge levels.

Keeping a EV car charged up would be a piece of cake for example, as would running a simple non-air conditioned 12 volt household such as an RV.   Running 110 volt window air conditioning off one breadbox would be tough, as in the summer the AC stays on too much of the time and the very smallest of the window AC units is right up there at your maximum single breadbox  E-Cat's output level so it would be a net drain on a power wall battery.

If you had a double breadbox unit (10 amps at 110 volts) then you could run your normal window AC just fine with a little left over to feed the power wall batteries to keep them topped up and to charge your electric car overnight when you got home.



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Two days elapse ......

Remember the bread box sized reactor?

Not so any more, the 5 amp 110 volt reactor shrank to a theoretical 10 inch cube and then it dropped to a theoretical 4 inch cube as a result of the 2 refinements that have passed initial testing just recently.

What does this mean?   From a full shipping container all the way by stages down to roughly the size of a Rubric's cube, from putting out "low pressure live steam only" to directly putting out electricity and not a whole lot of heat ----- progress is by "doubling" outputs by every year so far and roughly halving the size of the required hardware.

Now we are hopefully at the stage of SELLING SOMETHING .......

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Reply #149 - 03/29/20 at 06:42:27
 

https://e-catworld.com/2020/03/29/rossi-third-party-testers-are-clients/


Rossi: Some Third Party Testers are “Clients”

Here are some interesting questions from Gerard McEk on the Journal of Nuclear Physics yesterday, and Andrea Rossi’s responses:

Gerard McEk
March 28, 2020 at 7:05 AM
Dear Andrea,
If I understand it right, there are two parties testing the E-Cat SKL.

AR: There are more than two parties examining the SKL.

Some questions about that, if I may:
1. Does each party have a separate E-cat for testing?
AR: no

2. Is/Are this/both E-cat(s) at your lab?
AR: yes

3. Have both parties started testing?
AR: some has

4. You said there is an ‘independent third party’ test entity, that is not payed by you. What makes them testing it anyway:
A. Payed by another party
B. Because they are curious
C. Some other reason
AR: C (Clients)

5. Are these 3rd party tests be done by a company specialized in this and doing this?
AR: obviously

6. Will the test/certification results be presented at the same time when both parties are finished or are they be presented separately?
AR:  the certifications will be presented when the product will be for sale, the tests are under NDA, eventually it will depend on the situations

7. What is roughly the current estimate when both are finished?
AR: with the corona virus restrictions nobody can schedule anything

Thank you for answering our questions.
Kind regards, all the best and good health, Gerard

Andrea Rossi had said in another recent comment that product certification and third party testing were two completely different things:

Andrea Rossi
March 27, 2020 at 6:12 PM
Frank Acland:
The two things are completely independent from each other.
The certification entity is paid by us to make the product certification, while the independent third party is not paid by us.

The most interesting thing to me here is that Rossi states the third party testing is being paid for and carried out by “clients”, which implies that they are potential future customers who feel they need to know for sure whether the E-Cat is the real deal by putting it to the test.

Also, true to form, Rossi is not sending E-Cats out for testing, as always they stay in his possession, under his control.




Corona virus is REALLY messing up the scheduling of the big Rossi E-Cat L reveal AND all of the major early adopters are now insisting that their own "third parties" come in right now to do their NDA testing of Rossi's set up.    RIGHT NOW !!!!

They ALL insist that they come right now, so they can get first responder advantage on the new technology.

I count 3-4 customer sets of customer provided experts all running their own checks and tests on Rossi's equipment and cross checking with their own equipment.

Rossi is achieving what he wants, which is his stuff thoroughly inspected by his potential customers and getting lots of independent data being collected for an eventual UL certification.

Some of these customers are shills for foreign governments and I suspect the Chinese are hard at work stealing stuff from the inspector people's hotel rooms during the day while they are at Rossi's lab doing their testing.

Rossi will be draconian on certain details, the certain details which preclude any attempts to copy his tech.

Rossi' perennial secrecy will stymie any progress from these customer inspection/tests, and basically stymie his potential customer's interest in the end.

Note: Governments will eventually steal his secrets or simply snatch him and wring him out if he pisses them off badly enough.

If Rossi gets Clovis, expect him to get snatched immediately as he becomes a short shelf life item ......
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