leave it to Ron Paul to sum things up perfectly...

"Americans don’t realize the extent of the media brainwashing to which they are subjected"

Operation Mockingbird

CIA has been controlling the media for decades. Why do you think our grandparents got snookered too?

Remember what DeClone told us.

Lie to people and they make bad decisions.
Look at what Bullshit Americans have supported that after the dust settled they saw they had been suckered.
Today's insanity will become obviously insanity, after the damage is done.
The division is manufactured.

What I try to do Jog is get the others perspective.
I have filters of course, don't we all, we call it prejudice.
That use to be an acceptable tool to navigate were you have no previous bearing.
But as you allude, forces of ulterior motives have co-opted its meaning to give it a negative connotation, so it will be easier for them to steer the sheep into their corral.

American has rightly earned some of its global critique, of that I have no doubt.
We can witness here, the arrogance of beliefs, some cling so desperately.
Forgoing any attempt to challenge, or answer, the hypocrisies of their own beliefs to discredit that of another.
I often think the good ol' USA must be guilty of such as well.

It was Obama this week, who said hate is learned.  
Well gee, can we say so is bias?
Can we say all beliefs are learned then?
Now, who was the teacher Jog?

I think you answered that  

Do all challenges, and varying opinions, beliefs, have merit, all 100 percent right/wrong, or is their some truth, and false, in most perceptions, and beliefs?

Those who say folks can't stand to look at the truth, gee, I wonder if they are tipping their hand and they have no clue everyone else sees their cards  

We have beat this horse many times Jog, she must be weary.....

I will leave it as this, for I lack the capacity of certainty, for I am not like you, who can sign absolute factual truth, to your conclusions....
They best I can truthfully offer is my best guess.

I will reduce my observation to understanding how man is very simplistic of nature at his root.
The complexity comes when he tries to direct others, and with failure, manipulates it to try and achieve the results.

Mankind has never been here before, today, this very moment.
All he does is guess his best, for no navigation equipment has yet been discovered that can glimpse a moment beyond the present.

Yes, man devises, he plans, he plots, and most of his reasoning is for self preservation, a primitive instinct that takes an extreme amount of moral  faith, to overcome.

With that understanding, I will tuck my guess into most of these "ideas" are based on thinking they can achieve good, while also promoting themselves, accordingly.
As I stated above, one in primordial, and surely takes precedence, as a natural occurrence.
To overcome that, it takes a conscious effort, often in conflict with his pride and ego.
This is where all goes awry.

You can, and will, assign a more sinister motive, and you might very well be right, doubly so if you look at his actions "after" the fact that his well meaning plans did not come to fruition, as hoped for.

This is when you see folks that are also invested in this "person, who represents their "beliefs" rewrite reality to say that a wang being hummed on in a girls mouth is NOT sex.....

I use this as a glaring example, but not conclusively to any ideology, as it crosses the stream and is exampled on both of its banks, by all of us.

So finally Jog, you keep posting your beliefs, documents and all, that is your right.
But please do not assign to me your findings because I do not see share your same prejudices.
If anything, it erodes the issue you share, and takes it personal, and now we go to a different arena to "argue" in our psychological minds.

I am not shrugging it off, and YES, we are in total agreement about prejudice, but I question your statement about having discarded this very normal tool we use daily to go through life.

Yes, the thing is it NEEDS to be balanced with reality, and discovery, yet, it is the door that we open to look, first.

If you say not, then I ask, why did this door attract your attention....
You did not know what it might be hiding, right?

Your assigning to those who DO NOT see the same thing YOU DO, is, in fact, prejudice Jog.
Please explain how its not, if I am wrong.

You see it plainly in TT, etc, how he thinks he is the only one who knows the truth, except you offer argument, he calls names.

Don't you see any part of that?

raydawg wrote on 08/20/17 at 13:19:41:

I am not shrugging it off, and YES, we are in total agreement about prejudice, but I question your statement about having discarded this very normal tool we use daily to go through life.  Yes, the thing is it NEEDS to be balanced with reality, and discovery, yet, it is the door that we open to look, first.  If you say not, then I ask, why did this door attract your attention....  You did not know what it might be hiding, right?  Your assigning to those who DO NOT see the same thing YOU DO, is, in fact, prejudice Jog.  Please explain how its not, if I am wrong.  
You see it plainly in TT, etc, how he thinks he is the only one who knows the truth, except you offer argument, he calls names. Don't you see any part of that?

“… assigning to those who DO NOT see the same thing YOU DO, is, in fact, prejudice…”

     I disagree with that.
On the surface, it  looks OK,
But need  MORE,  Information !!!!!!!!!!!
  With OUT,  Information,  one biases his/her, opinion, on the Facts at hand.
So the way,  ‘I’, see something, is biased on the Information.
Not, a   Pre  Judgment, of  ALL , ‘like’:
      (People that want to preserve History Statues are, ALL, Nazi’s)

The  information comes from,  ‘FACTS’,
from  people you can trust.
And, ‘Observed Reality’, from things that have happened in the past.

Take for example, Noor shooting/killing, Damond, In Mpls.
We know, he shot and killed her from the passenger seat.
We, ‘believe’ from all accounts, she was no threat.

We DON’T  know, Anything Else !

What the ‘powers’ say, is, Nothing.
And  Nothing from Noor.

So we Have to rely on, ‘Observed Reality’.
Which is, The Mpls Chief said: ‘We will get to the bottom of this’.
Then she was, immediately,  FIRED,  (er, Forced   Retirement).
The Mayor, and the Mpls A.G., will make the, ‘decision’.
And Both the Mayor, and A.G.  are   Ultra-ULTRA, ALT-Left.

Then, just before this, another male, Police person, shot and killed a male.
In a  WEEK, he was charged with  ‘Murder’.
In his trial, The Dead person, SAID:  ‘I Have a Gun”.
The Police person said, ‘Don’t reach for it”.
 He did, and the Police officer was Acquitted.
And the Mom, receives, 3.5  MILLION,
and the Gov.  Gave  12  MILLON, for further training.

So when someone says,  ’Noor  Shot  Damond  in Cold  Blood’.
  (Biased on the, FACTS, on hand)
That person is, “prejudice”, Because, Noor is Black and Damond was White.

Not because their are, making a decision of, FACTS, at hand.
But,  ONLY, because, Noor is Black and Damond was White.

Did Damond come up to the Police car, in her P.J.’s, with a  GUN. ?
Was Damond a front for some kind of, Ambush. ?
If that is true, and one believed,  Noor, still, shot in cold blood,
THEN, and Only then, would that be,  “prejudice”.

As to  T&T, making statements,  Well he is just, ‘Lost’.
Suffering from a form of, Hypothermia.

raydawg wrote on 08/20/17 at 18:55:03:

Missing the point.  Lets try this, I dunno if it will work, perhaps, its a wee bit ambiguous, but the idea i am trying to convey can still apply.  You are hungry, you want to eat.  You are on the road traveling.  You are in a big city, many choices to choose from.  You see two that look promising, one Italian, the other, Mexican.  You are way north of the southern boarder of USA, so, you might think the Mexican restaurant might not be as authentic, or a good, as one closer to a area that has a large Mexican influence of population.  You then opt for Italian based on a prejudice, not a fact, as you have not eaten at neither establishment yet.   If you stay another day, eat at the other choice, now you decision to eat on the 3rd day would be based on the fact of which one you liked better.  You get it now?  I won't even go into the scenario I liked the restaurant best, that you assigned lessor to, and went back there the third day, for my fact is now in conflict with your fact..... Well, truth be told, it wasn't the food, no, but the big titties on the waitress, that I wanted to sample.......again        

“…now your decision to eat on the 3rd day would be based on the fact of which one you liked better. …”
      Yep,  NOT, at  ALL,  “prejudice”, simply the food you liked the best.

But NOW:
“…truth be told, it wasn’t the food, no, but the big tithes on the waitress…”
    (Good  More Information)
Again NOT, “prejudice”, simply, ‘like big  tittties more than the food’.

Someone likes,  ‘Golf’, someone likes, ‘Hockey’.
Someone likes, ‘Base Ball’, someone likes, 'Soccer’.
Someone likes, ’Tennis’, someone likes, ‘Badminton’.
   On and On  and On.
 
NON of those things are, “prejudice”, they are JUST, what someone prefers.

“… You then opt for Italian based on a prejudice, not a fact, …”

Maybe ?

Was that place a right turn, then to go the the hotel a right turn?
Which place had more cars in the parking lot ?
    (Huge indication of how good are they).
Have had,  Mexican/Italian food before,
        Which one am I hungry for ?
 
 Lots of decisions, not a  SINGLE One, biased on, ‘prejudice’.

MnSpring wrote on 08/20/17 at 19:23:44:



STOP  IT ✋

You are adding too much to the equation.
We are talking your first gut instinct before you start any analysis.