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Reply #15 - 07/11/17 at 17:34:36
 
but you still have to turn off the key and remove it,and in using the kill switch the contacts stay cleaner, making starting a bit more reliable.
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Reply #16 - 07/11/17 at 19:44:51
 
He just needs to stop using the kill until reaching for the key is second nature. The distractions and different things he needs to do need to be set aside.
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Reply #17 - 07/12/17 at 05:18:02
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 07/11/17 at 19:44:51:
He just needs to stop using the kill until reaching for the key is second nature. The distractions and different things he needs to do need to be set aside.


Exactly this. A period of having to take the key out because otherwise the bike keeps making noise is, I think, the cure for what ails me  Tongue
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Reply #18 - 07/12/17 at 07:44:49
 
I'm left wondering why the Always the Smartest People in the Room at the Tall Table don't have answers like that.
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Reply #19 - 07/12/17 at 11:20:28
 
Why don't they make kill switches momentary?...
I've always wondered about that... Huh
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Reply #20 - 07/12/17 at 11:28:17
 
Discipline and Repetition
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Reply #21 - 07/12/17 at 11:51:36
 
Serowbot wrote on 07/12/17 at 11:20:28:
Why don't they make kill switches momentary?...
I've always wondered about that... Huh



Because the emergency that would make you slap it lasts longer than you have.
Momentary kill switch has to be held long enough for it to die.
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Reply #22 - 07/12/17 at 13:16:07
 
Serowbot wrote on 07/12/17 at 11:20:28:
Why don't they make kill switches momentary?...
I've always wondered about that... Huh



That's the way dirt bikes work.
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Reply #23 - 07/12/17 at 13:23:09
 
If I flip the kill off, and quickly back on, it's probably gonna backfire, but it will be running.
Why don't dirtbikes do that?
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Reply #24 - 07/12/17 at 14:55:25
 
Maybe a 2-stroke slows down more quickly than a 4-stroke when you kill it?
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Reply #25 - 07/12/17 at 18:19:23
 
On a dirt bike you hold the kill switch until the engine stops.
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Reply #26 - 07/15/17 at 04:20:48
 
Only reason I can think for the momentary button on dirt bikes is to allow it to be used for engine braking.  I have often wondered that too and this is the only thing my thinker can think.

One thing that might work would be to use the biker's key thing that has the string you pull out with the key on it.  When you get up, you have about 3 feet before the cord catches you.
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Reply #27 - 07/15/17 at 06:17:01
 
Steve H wrote on 07/15/17 at 04:20:48:
Only reason I can think for the momentary button on dirt bikes is to allow it to be used for engine braking.  I have often wondered that too and this is the only thing my thinker can think.
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No, it's so that you can not accidentally kill your motor while riding.  Most of the time you are not in a position to take you hands off the bars long enough to kill the bike while riding off road.
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Reply #28 - 07/15/17 at 06:35:32
 
AlexW wrote on 07/12/17 at 14:55:25:
Maybe a 2-stroke slows down more quickly than a 4-stroke when you kill it?
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Back when 2-strokes ruled the roost, most serious races would set their bikes up so they wouldn't idle at all for two main reasons.  One of those reasons was to get more responsive bottom end power.  The other is increased engine braking when you cut the throttle going into a corner.   The goal is to keep the rear wheel turning the engine over until you cracked the throttle to lite the engine up again.  But once in awhile the rear wheel would lock up and skidd instead of restarting the motor if you weren't careful.  This low idle meant that you almost never touched the kill switch.  It's main purpose was to kill a bike if the throttle was stuck open after a crash.

Modern 4-stroke off-road bikes have more braking power than two strokes and run an idle.  
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Reply #29 - 07/16/17 at 04:32:57
 
ohiomoto wrote on 07/15/17 at 06:17:01:
Steve H wrote on 07/15/17 at 04:20:48:
Only reason I can think for the momentary button on dirt bikes is to allow it to be used for engine braking.  I have often wondered that too and this is the only thing my thinker can think.
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No, it's so that you can not accidentally kill your motor while riding.  Most of the time you are not in a position to take you hands off the bars long enough to kill the bike while riding off road.


Now that's some pretty good thinking there.
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