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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Newby with a 'special' S40 Reply #15 - 07/04/17 at 20:40:12 Designed and fabricated in an Acidrich environment.
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ohiomoto Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2775	Re: Newby with a 'special' S40 Reply #16 - 07/04/17 at 21:22:42 There are things that can be done, but shouldn't. This is one of those things. Looks "deadly"!
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gizzo Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiCabbage. It's Savage. Posts: 1318 Australia	Re: Newby with a 'special' S40 Reply #17 - 07/04/17 at 21:59:14 I love it! brilliant! it's inthe UK, mainproblem would be getting to operating temperature. andwill keep the rider warm
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Re: Newby with a 'special' S40
Reply #18 - 07/04/17 at 23:22:26

The photo is a couple of weeks old and I've vented the front now.
I'll put some more photos of the build on if anyone's interested.
I built the original Vespa 10 years ago. I stretched it by a foot a widened it by 6 inches and it had a 200cc tuned Vespa 210 motor.
Brakes are hydraulic discs either end, SV650 monoshock.
I always wanted to put a bike engine in and the Savage just looked right.
Handling is 'interesting'...... Roll Eyes

Question I have is about the carb... does it need any jetting alterations due to running a different filter?

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Newby with a 'special' S40 Reply #19 - 07/05/17 at 02:00:57 Maybe,, maybe not,, What are you seeing that makes you think it needs to be jetted? I like the build, More pictures, showing the stretches, and the engineering would be good.
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Re: Newby with a 'special' S40
Reply #20 - 07/05/17 at 05:15:38

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 07/05/17 at 02:00:57:

Maybe,, maybe not,,
What are you seeing that makes you think it needs to be jetted?
I like the build,
More pictures, showing the stretches, and the engineering would be good.

I'll put a few more pictures up later.

I'm not sure I do need to alter any jets etc as I've got nothing to compare it to. I'm mostly a 2-stroke bloke so jetting can mean the difference between seizing or not Grin

It's quite 'chonky' at low revs but most big cylinders are?........ my Harley Evo was anyway.
Weak normally means hotter so I thought I'd best check. The dials I've fitted have a temp quage built in so I attached it to the cylinder and it peaks at about 135 Centigrade(275f) but no idea what the running temp is.....easy with water cooled.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Newby with a 'special' S40 Reply #21 - 07/05/17 at 06:04:29 Your average temperature and humidity along with elevation above sea level, type of intake and exhaust all factor into what jets would work best on most days. There are some really carburetor savvy guys here. I'm not one of them, dangitt..
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Ruttly Serious Thumper Offline Thumpers Rule Posts: 5112 Manteca , CA Gender:	Re: Newby with a 'special' S40 Reply #22 - 07/05/17 at 13:53:53 batman wrote on 07/04/17 at 18:25:40: louvers in the front panel and ducts to direct it to the head and jug,but what do you use for brakes? That thing has got to be scary fast! Brakes by Nike ! Yeah hella torque spinning those itty bitty tires = scary fast , whole thing can't even be 250 lbs !
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Re: Newby with a 'special' S40
Reply #23 - 07/05/17 at 14:34:30

Ruttly wrote on 07/05/17 at 13:53:53:

batman wrote on 07/04/17 at 18:25:40:

louvers in the front panel and ducts to direct it to the head and jug,but what do you use for brakes? That thing has got to be scary fast!

Brakes by Nike ! Yeah hella torque spinning those itty bitty tires = scary fast , whole thing can't even be 250 lbs !

Brakes are both hydraulic and pretty good. It's geared to be similar to the Savage. I've had 75 out of it when it had a Vespa engine but not sure I want to go any faster! Roll Eyes

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Newby with a 'special' S40 Reply #24 - 07/05/17 at 14:48:01 Edge of Disaster speeds would seem around sixty.. Maybe it's better than that, but it looks kinda spooky.
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Re: Newby with a 'special' S40
Reply #25 - 07/05/17 at 18:08:10

With the solid bodywork and the fact that your carrying the engine weight much higher than the stock motor ,I'd be worried about what a stiff cross wind might do to the bike with the wheels being that small.From what I gather speed limits in the U.K. are somewhat less than what we see here ,If you have the bike geared like the Savage I think you could do 85+ mph ,but you may not LIVE past 55-60. I do have a question,where is the fuel tank? and how is the fuel getting to the carb? AND yes give us more pics it looks like a fun project, no doubt it's a one of a kind custom!( almost forgot 275 is a normal head temp for the motor, but it could swing +/- 25 depending on weather/outside temps)

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Re: Newby with a 'special' S40
Reply #26 - 07/06/17 at 00:24:59

batman wrote on 07/05/17 at 18:08:10:

With the solid bodywork and the fact that your carrying the engine weight much higher than the stock motor ,I'd be worried about what a stiff cross wind might do to the bike with the wheels being that small.From what I gather speed limits in the U.K. are somewhat less than what we see here ,If you have the bike geared like the Savage I think you could do 85+ mph ,but you may not LIVE past 55-60. I do have a question,where is the fuel tank? and how is the fuel getting to the carb? AND yes give us more pics it looks like a fun project, no doubt it's a one of a kind custom!( almost forgot 275 is a normal head temp for the motor, but it could swing +/- 25 depending on weather/outside temps)

Hi, crosswinds are an issue on any scooter but 30bhp is fairly easy to achieve on a 225cc 2-stroke and 90mph scooters are not uncommon over here so it's 'medium safe' Shocked

UK speed limit is 70mph and not strictly enforced. 80+ before you get any grief..
Fuel is in a tank in the r/h rear panel and a SV650 vacuum fuel pump does the pumping.
Photos to follow...

Thanks for the temp info btw.

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Acidrich YaBB Newbies Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 21	Re: Newby with a 'special' S40 Reply #28 - 07/06/17 at 00:57:43 jcstokes wrote on 07/06/17 at 00:43:17: Wonder if they get the 650 Bergman scooters in the USA? Not sure but I think the Police shoot you in the face for speeding
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Newby with a 'special' S40 Reply #29 - 07/06/17 at 03:26:39 jcstokes wrote on 07/06/17 at 00:43:17: Wonder if they get the 650 Bergman scooters in the USA? Yes,I met a guy who had one. Those things Go...
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