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Reply #15 - 06/15/17 at 14:20:15

You want clean energy?
What are you suggesting?
Clinton signed a EO making mining the Cleanest Coal we have illegal. Yep, that is correct.. The self same lying not a very nice person who ASSured us that THEY knew better than WeWhoOpposed Nafta and We would Thank them later..
I thank that POS every day.

Why would anyone NOT want clean energy?
Well, unless it's Not,,
Like the windmills and the ethanol, bad ideas.
Ethanol is a good IDEA, but GROWING crops FOR ethanol isn't.
You make ethanol from waste, not a whole crop.
But the corporate farming industry has bought what they need.

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Reply #16 - 06/15/17 at 14:24:28

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 06/15/17 at 14:20:15:

You want clean energy?
What are you suggesting?

Solar, wind, tidal, even nuclear (conventional and hopefully in the future, fusion).

Clinton signed a EO making mining the Cleanest Coal we have illegal. Yep, that is correct.. The self same lying not a very nice person who ASSured us that THEY knew better than WeWhoOpposed Nafta and We would Thank them later..
I thank that POS every day.

Why would anyone NOT want clean energy?
Well, unless it's Not,,
Like the windmills and the ethanol, bad ideas.

What's wrong with wind?

Ethanol is a good IDEA, but GROWING crops FOR ethanol isn't.
You make ethanol from waste, not a whole crop.
But the corporate farming industry has bought what they need.

There are plenty of alternatives to fossil fuels.

Oh, I forgot geothermal....

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: I wish she would come in here Reply #17 - 06/15/17 at 14:35:14 Totally underutilized. Hot springs exist and they have a heat source that doesn't take coal or nasty nuke crap. Ocean waves, tides, lots of energy out there to tap.
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Reply #18 - 06/15/17 at 18:04:54

T And T Garage wrote on 06/15/17 at 14:24:28:

Solar, wind, tidal, even nuclear (conventional and hopefully in the future, fusion).

What's wrong with wind?

There are plenty of alternatives to fossil fuels.

All of those are not realistically viable. Solar, tidal, and wind simply do not generate enough energy to power our modern day society. Nuclear generates enormous amounts of energy; however, the by products have no place to be stored. There is a facility called WHIPP in NM & Yucca Mountain in NV where it would have a safe permanent home; however, their are to many lawsuits that prevent it. The heavy water has been sitting in tanks on top of the ground for decades.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: I wish she would come in here Reply #19 - 06/15/17 at 18:16:20 Wind farms are ugly, kill birds, don't provide consistent power, requires a huge amount of energy to build, and utilizes lots of materials. It's as goofy as spending all the time and energy to raise corn to make gasoline less powerful and create mechanical problems..
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Reply #20 - 06/15/17 at 18:25:42

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 06/15/17 at 18:16:20:

requires a huge amount of energy to build

Solar is in the same predicament, the cost-benefit ratio nearly nonexistent. Everywhere they could put a dam and generate hydro, they did decades ago. There are not really many viable options.

On a side note, Barry made it illegal to buy wood burning stoves as well. Look that up if you don't believe me, they are phasing them out. That is cold hearted, no pun intended.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: I wish she would come in here Reply #21 - 06/15/17 at 18:42:57 Clinton outlawed the Cleanest Coal ever found. And nobody talks about it.
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Reply #22 - 06/15/17 at 20:23:45

pg wrote on 06/15/17 at 18:04:54:

T And T Garage wrote on 06/15/17 at 14:24:28:

Solar, wind, tidal, even nuclear (conventional and hopefully in the future, fusion).

What's wrong with wind?

There are plenty of alternatives to fossil fuels.

All of those are not realistically viable. Solar, tidal, and wind simply do not generate enough energy to power our modern day society.

LMAO - Not viable? Says who, you? We currently generate over 5% of our nation's power via wind. Between all the other renewable sources and nuclear, we're over 20%.

Not viable my eye...

Nuclear generates enormous amounts of energy; however, the by products have no place to be stored. There is a facility called WHIPP in NM & Yucca Mountain in NV where it would have a safe permanent home; however, their are to many lawsuits that prevent it. The heavy water has been sitting in tanks on top of the ground for decades.

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To be clear, nuclear would only suffice to be an adjunct to renewable.

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Reply #23 - 06/15/17 at 20:25:51

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 06/15/17 at 18:16:20:

Wind farms are ugly, kill birds, don't provide consistent power, requires a huge amount of energy to build, and utilizes lots of materials. It's as goofy as spending all the time and energy to raise corn to make gasoline less powerful and create mechanical problems..

See my post to pg - and the whole "kill birds" thing - yeah, more die around smokestacks.... so there's that. Ask the farmers who have them on their land how "terrible" they are.

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Reply #24 - 06/15/17 at 20:58:15

What's with the relativist thinking?
Because birds die around smoke stacks, let's put swinging blades up and see how many more we can kill?
The energy created versus energy manufacture and the materials, sunk costs, but you like it. Okay

Farmers are Paid for the space. Of Course they are happy.

Show me your claims of dead birds from manufacturing.

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Reply #25 - 06/15/17 at 21:00:26

pg wrote on 06/15/17 at 18:25:42:

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 06/15/17 at 18:16:20:

requires a huge amount of energy to build

Solar is in the same predicament, the cost-benefit ratio nearly nonexistent.

Um, maybe in 1980, but not today. You haven't done much research on it, have you? Solar installs have only gone up by about 1700% in the last 10 years. Doc Brown would be proud - PVs are currently producing over 150 Gigawatts globally.

Everywhere they could put a dam and generate hydro, they did decades ago. There are not really many viable options.

Oh? You sure? How about this: http://www.citylab.com/environment/2015/11/hydroelectric-power-energy-dams/41...

On a side note, Barry made it illegal to buy wood burning stoves as well. Look that up if you don't believe me, they are phasing them out. That is cold hearted, no pun intended.

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Wow - you believe everything someone tells you, huh? It took me exactly 15 seconds to find this quote and link:

What’s actually happening is this. After waiting 25 years to propose new efficiency rules for wood-burning heaters, the EPA in January finally released standards that would require all new devices to burn 80 percent cleaner than those manufactured today. Currently, all 12 million wood-burning heaters in the U.S. only have to comply with pollution standards set in 1988. Out of those 12 million regulated stoves, 9 million are older, less efficient, non-EPA-certified stoves. So-called “pellet stoves” that burn compressed wood or biomass are not currently covered by any federal regulation.

https://www.chimneysweeponline.com/hoepareg.htm

Yeah... big bad Obama, coming to get your stoves and your guns....

Too funny!

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Reply #26 - 06/15/17 at 21:05:46

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 06/15/17 at 20:58:15:

What's with the relativist thinking?
Because birds die around smoke stacks, let's put swinging blades up and see how many more we can kill?
The energy created versus energy manufacture and the materials, sunk costs, but you like it. Okay

Farmers are Paid for the space. Of Course they are happy.

Show me your claims of dead birds from manufacturing.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/09/15/wind-turbines-kill-fe...

http://thinkprogress.org/chart-how-many-birds-are-killed-by-wind-solar-oil-an...

But if you're really concerned about the birds - cats are the biggest killers of all...

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: I wish she would come in here Reply #27 - 06/15/17 at 21:08:16 YIPPEE, remove the birds from the equation. I don't think they are a good answer.
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Reply #28 - 06/16/17 at 03:36:39

T And T Garage wrote on 06/15/17 at 21:00:26:

Wow - you believe everything someone tells you, huh? It took me exactly 15 seconds to find this quote and link:

Evidently you missed these then........

http://www.newsmax.com/US/heat-energy-wood-stoves/2014/02/18/id/553372/

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/05/obama-administration-faces-backlas...

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pg Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 5273 In Transit	Re: I wish she would come in here Reply #29 - 06/16/17 at 03:46:08 T And T Garage wrote on 06/15/17 at 20:23:45: LMAO - Not viable? Says who, you? Says a relative of mine who who was an engineer for 40 years working for the DOE...... Best regards,
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