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Reply #45 - 05/17/17 at 07:29:52
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/17/17 at 06:30:45:
I see Trump. I'm not impressed. I also know what games are played. I've been here for years. I've criticized left and right. I need no one to point out the inconsistencies and lies of either side.
Watching the one eyed critics see only the evils of the Other Side has gotten tiresome.
So much so that I'm just gonna harp on the Harpie, the Bipedal Pustule, and the stench that accompanies her. Until these lefties will admit that their candidate has warts, I'm done typing what I see that I don't like about Trump.


Oh I believe you and see your consistency in posting.
The left is a waste of your time, here on this board.
It's on you thinking your sharing is going to be honestly considered.
My point was Trump brought this on himself, IF....
You look at his behavior.
You will always get attention from opposition while in the office, he has showed no ability to diplomacy, which I believe is critical to the position.....
He seems to still think it's a TV show, and he has absolutel power.
That is his fault, is all I am trying to say.
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Reply #46 - 05/17/17 at 07:48:18
 
And, remember JFK. How much CAN Trump make Me happy and survive?
Not much, it seems. Obama told us what he would do. He said he would destroy the coal industry and he did a lot. He said he would Fix health care, and woo hoo, looka That!
He also said he would not engage in further military adventures for reasons other than dealing with a real threat.
Braaaahh!
We keep our doctors.
Braaahh!
Over and over. Whose agenda is moved?
Who wins?
You? Me? America?
Why is it so hard for people to see it's a Globalist agenda that is being forwarded?
Both sides are tools, and unless the Dumbmasses wake up, the destination of All our futures is just a spot on the graph, easily located by looking at the economy, opportunity, morality of yesterday and today. It's been downhill since the late sixties,,
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Reply #47 - 05/17/17 at 08:02:47
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/17/17 at 07:48:18:
And, remember JFK. How much CAN Trump make Me happy and survive?
Not much, it seems. Obama told us what he would do. He said he would destroy the coal industry and he did a lot. He said he would Fix health care, and woo hoo, looka That!
He also said he would not engage in further military adventures for reasons other than dealing with a real threat.
Braaaahh!
We keep our doctors.
Braaahh!
Over and over. Whose agenda is moved?
Who wins?
You? Me? America?
Why is it so hard for people to see it's a Globalist agenda that is being forwarded?
Both sides are tools, and unless the Dumbmasses wake up, the destination of All our futures is just a spot on the graph, easily located by looking at the economy, opportunity, morality of yesterday and today. It's been downhill since the late sixties,,


OK then - since you seem to KNOW what the problem is - then what would YOU recommend be done?

You seem more fatalist than anything.

Don't tell me the sky is falling and then just watch it fall.  

What's YOUR plan?
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Reply #48 - 05/17/17 at 08:06:07
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/17/17 at 07:48:18:
And, remember JFK. How much CAN Trump make Me happy and survive?
Not much, it seems. Obama told us what he would do. He said he would destroy the coal industry and he did a lot. He said he would Fix health care, and woo hoo, looka That!
He also said he would not engage in further military adventures for reasons other than dealing with a real threat.
Braaaahh!
We keep our doctors.
Braaahh!
Over and over. Whose agenda is moved?
Who wins?
You? Me? America?
Why is it so hard for people to see it's a Globalist agenda that is being forwarded?
Both sides are tools, and unless the Dumbmasses wake up, the destination of All our futures is just a spot on the graph, easily located by looking at the economy, opportunity, morality of yesterday and today. It's been downhill since the late sixties,,


Well my bible fortells the global ending.
Even if I had no faith prophetically, one can just see how globalization is unfolding under the democracy label.
How arrogant are we to believe others would benefit by our system of governance?
Sure, we all claim to know the wisdom associated with power and money equals absolute corruption.....
But are willing to look aside if it appears our guys are in control.....

I would be scared sheetless right now, if I didn't have the assurance of my faith.
This won't end well for many, sadly, however, it can't be stopped.
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Reply #49 - 05/17/17 at 08:11:05
 
Unite the masses through education.
We have all been lied to and propagandized.
Unless people are ready to admit that they are uninformed and misinformed and they look for information that would help them see how things work,  we can't defeat the creeps who are running things.
They actually did sabotage the education system.
Listen to Charlotte Iserbyt.
Understand what Cloward and Piven said.
Why DO what they say is certain destruction?
Why is it noble to commit suicide by flooding your own home with needy people?
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Reply #50 - 05/17/17 at 08:17:30
 
raydawg wrote on 05/17/17 at 08:06:07:
Well my bible fortells the global ending.
Even if I had no faith prophetically, one can just see how globalization is unfolding under the democracy label.
How arrogant are we to believe others would benefit by our system of governance?
Sure, we all claim to know the wisdom associated with power and money equals absolute corruption.....
But are willing to look aside if it appears our guys are in control.....

I would be scared sheetless right now, if I didn't have the assurance of my faith.
This won't end well for many, sadly, however, it can't be stopped.


Sorry, but you can't pray this away.  If you hang your hat on faith alone - you will lose.... we will lose.

Your religion is not the only one.  Your beliefs are not the only one.  Your perspective is only yours.

Civilization has changed and this Planet is on the verge of of a new epoch.  Where it leads is anyone's guess, but as a society, people need to evolve beyond selfishness and xenophobia.
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Reply #51 - 05/17/17 at 08:19:41
 
T And T Garage wrote on 05/17/17 at 07:22:59:
Turn a blind eye to to tweety, and he'll poke them both out.

All you "conservatives" go right on ahead hating on hillary, true democrats feel the same way - but you should get the point - she's done.  Her career is over and the democratic establishment is on it's death bed.

Bernie sanders remains to be the most popular (in a positive sense) politician in the country.  He's polling higher than anyone.  That's no mistake.

But yeah, you go ahead and push that hillary narrative and see how far that gets you.  All it does is distract from the flaming pile of poo we have in the White House today.  You want him to stay? Then keep bringing up how terrible hillary is.  Ignore what's going on in the here and now and keep paying attention to a candidate that lost.  Keep thinking that we would have been worse off with her instead of seeing what tweety is really doing and why, and for who?

Let us all know how that works out for ya...

Ok again HOW do you KNOW that what was told to us by isreal was shared when there is no transcript of what was said? Please give me a credible named source saying this and not some news agency, a person. I agree Hillary is done so I don't bring it up or care about it. Let me get this straight, you want a president (Bernie Sanders) who doesn't think we need a military, who thinks all money should be spread out equally, and who is by all definitions of the word a socialist. Give me a break, guys on oil rigs doing hard work shouldn't get the same pay as a guy bagging your food at McDonald's. CEO's who have built their own company through hard work and dedication shouldn't be a financial equal with a lazy system playing freeloader. We will never know if we would have been worse off with Hillary what's done is done. If the democrats would stop stonewalling every single move by Trump just for the sake of doing it just cause it's Trump, we might actually see some improvement. Now I'm not saying let Trump do what he wants but let the Democratic system work fairly not be abused by butthurt whiners throwing a temper tantrum.
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Reply #52 - 05/17/17 at 08:25:01
 
So, how many people will you be adopting?
Or do you just demand that we All adopt the people in need?
And how will we care for them? What Standard of living will we hand them?
How about we have the VA administer their needs. Look at how many of OUR VETS are in extreme need.
Your house is on fire and you're trying to rescue the neighbors.
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Reply #53 - 05/17/17 at 08:28:32
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/17/17 at 08:11:05:
Unite the masses through education.
We have all been lied to and propagandized.
Unless people are ready to admit that they are uninformed and misinformed and they look for information that would help them see how things work,  we can't defeat the creeps who are running things.
They actually did sabotage the education system.
Listen to Charlotte Iserbyt.
Understand what Cloward and Piven said.

What makes THEM right and others wrong?  Are they oracles?
You yourself said that we are being lied to - why trust them?
See my point?

Personally, I think Charlotte is paranoid in her views on "marxist" schools.  I've put all my kids through the system (after having gone through it myself) and don't see any connection - ideologically or otherwise.

C&P's radical idea is just that.  Our welfare rolls have fluctuated for decades.  It's the bought-and-paid-for politicians that have endangered our social security.  


Why DO what they say is certain destruction?
Why is it noble to commit suicide by flooding your own home with needy people?


I would flood my home with needy people based on human kindness - and faith in them.  If we lose that - we're done for.
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Reply #54 - 05/17/17 at 08:48:34
 
Jarhead-CO wrote on 05/17/17 at 08:19:41:
Ok again HOW do you KNOW that what was told to us by isreal was shared when there is no transcript of what was said? Please give me a credible named source saying this and not some news agency, a person. I agree Hillary is done so I don't bring it up or care about it. Let me get this straight, you want a president (Bernie Sanders) who doesn't think we need a military, who thinks all money should be spread out equally, and who is by all definitions of the word a socialist.

You really have the wrong idea about Sanders.  Nowhere on his platform did he say we don't need a military.  That's a lie someone told you that you believe.

He also does not think that "money should be spread out equally" - but if you didn't know, corporations in this country are now paying less taxes than ever before.  Further, the nominal tax rate in the 50's was well over 70%.

Bernie is a democratic socialist.  Sorry to break it to you, but that's the country we've lived in since pretty much always.  Public education, interstate highways, public utilities, police, firemen, medicare, medicaid, etc.  All socialistic in nature.


Give me a break, guys on oil rigs doing hard work shouldn't get the same pay as a guy bagging your food at McDonald's.

I personally don't agree with a $15/hour minimum wage.  But it should still be equal to the pay we got back in high school - about $10/hr in today's money.  

Funny you should bring up the pay of guys on oil rigs.  The oil companies make billions in profit every quarter.  Why are their worker's wages so low?  Who's fault is that?


CEO's who have built their own company through hard work and dedication shouldn't be a financial equal with a lazy system playing freeloader.

No one is saying they should.  But they shouldn't pay less than you or I either.  If we pay 30% in taxes, so should they, right?  The income inequality of ceo's and their employees is at an all time high.  Again - why do you think that is?

We will never know if we would have been worse off with Hillary what's done is done. If the democrats would stop stonewalling every single move by Trump just for the sake of doing it just cause it's Trump, we might actually see some improvement.

Did you know that the republicans, during Obama's term, set a record for filibusters?  Did you know Obama was the only president in history to not be given a hearing for a supreme court justice appointment?  Did you know that Obama was the only president in history to be denied a hearing on a budget?  Senator mitch (turtle) mcconnel said, straight faced to the cameras, "my number one priority is making sure president Obama’s a one-term president."

Now I'm not saying let Trump do what he wants but let the Democratic system work fairly not be abused by butthurt whiners throwing a temper tantrum.


I'm not endorsing the childish behavior of EITHER side, but to think it's only been on one side is just wrong.
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Reply #55 - 05/17/17 at 09:35:13
 
T And T Garage wrote on 05/17/17 at 08:48:34:
Jarhead-CO wrote on 05/17/17 at 08:19:41:
Ok again HOW do you KNOW that what was told to us by isreal was shared when there is no transcript of what was said? Please give me a credible named source saying this and not some news agency, a person. I agree Hillary is done so I don't bring it up or care about it. Let me get this straight, you want a president (Bernie Sanders) who doesn't think we need a military, who thinks all money should be spread out equally, and who is by all definitions of the word a socialist.

You really have the wrong idea about Sanders.  Nowhere on his platform did he say we don't need a military.  That's a lie someone told you that you believe.

He also does not think that "money should be spread out equally" - but if you didn't know, corporations in this country are now paying less taxes than ever before.  Further, the nominal tax rate in the 50's was well over 70%.

Bernie is a democratic socialist.  Sorry to break it to you, but that's the country we've lived in since pretty much always.  Public education, interstate highways, public utilities, police, firemen, medicare, medicaid, etc.  All socialistic in nature.


Give me a break, guys on oil rigs doing hard work shouldn't get the same pay as a guy bagging your food at McDonald's.

I personally don't agree with a $15/hour minimum wage.  But it should still be equal to the pay we got back in high school - about $10/hr in today's money.  

Funny you should bring up the pay of guys on oil rigs.  The oil companies make billions in profit every quarter.  Why are their worker's wages so low?  Who's fault is that?


CEO's who have built their own company through hard work and dedication shouldn't be a financial equal with a lazy system playing freeloader.

No one is saying they should.  But they shouldn't pay less than you or I either.  If we pay 30% in taxes, so should they, right?  The income inequality of ceo's and their employees is at an all time high.  Again - why do you think that is?

We will never know if we would have been worse off with Hillary what's done is done. If the democrats would stop stonewalling every single move by Trump just for the sake of doing it just cause it's Trump, we might actually see some improvement.

Did you know that the republicans, during Obama's term, set a record for filibusters?  Did you know Obama was the only president in history to not be given a hearing for a supreme court justice appointment?  Did you know that Obama was the only president in history to be denied a hearing on a budget?  Senator mitch (turtle) mcconnel said, straight faced to the cameras, "my number one priority is making sure president Obama’s a one-term president."

Now I'm not saying let Trump do what he wants but let the Democratic system work fairly not be abused by butthurt whiners throwing a temper tantrum.


I'm not endorsing the childish behavior of EITHER side, but to think it's only been on one side is just wrong.

I didn't want to quote this while thing but I'm tired and need to read back over it. I know I'm being selfish Smiley . Ok I should have stated the military thing better.
breakingdefense.com/2016/02/feel-the-bern-what-a-sanders-military-might-look-...
He wants to significantly reduce the military to pre WW1 numbers and make massive cuts to spending. In turn the gear would be cheap and run down. Training would be severely diminished and the overall effectiveness would be cut down drastically.

On wealth distribution, yes corporate taxes were cut but if Trump is able to push his tax act through you and I will be paying 5 maybe 10 percent which he'll yeah I'll take a 20% raise.
www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/713300?keywords=bernie-sanders-socialist-id...

Bernie Sanders is a socialist and yes I know the country is technically a democratic socialist state. People always bring up o Denmark has free education and healthcare for everyone, gov't run municipalities, police, fire etc.... Yeah they also pay a 60% income tax, I think I'll pass.

Again I agree with your views on minimum wage, only I will add that I believe it should also be based on cost of living per area. A person making 10 an hour in middle of nowhere Kansas can do somewhat okay. Living in New York city making 10 an hour is not possible.

The average pay of oil deck hands is around 100k a year I wouldn't call that low.

Trump is on track to be filibustered more than Obama. No president in history has had the any party left or right flat out just stop showing up to cabinet member appointing hearings, Trump STILL doesn't have his full team. Obama just didn't have the opportunity for a SCJ hearing, and don't give me that crap about Scalia no president has ever appointed a SCJ in the last year of thier term and the last time it happened to come up the democrats were the ones raising hell about it not being allowed.
The budget meeting fiasco I agree was uncalled for I have no excuse nor would I make one for that.
Democrats and liberals have been screaming Impeachment before he was sworn in so don't give me that o but Mich said he was trying to make Obama a one term president There is way more pushback on trump then there ever was on obama.
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Reply #56 - 05/17/17 at 09:52:01
 
I think impeachment is on the table, after all there is just as much evidence that he colluded with the Unicorns as the Russians and we know the Unicorns are out to get us.
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Reply #57 - 05/17/17 at 10:12:15
 
T And T Garage wrote on 05/17/17 at 08:17:30:
raydawg wrote on 05/17/17 at 08:06:07:
Well my bible fortells the global ending.
Even if I had no faith prophetically, one can just see how globalization is unfolding under the democracy label.
How arrogant are we to believe others would benefit by our system of governance?
Sure, we all claim to know the wisdom associated with power and money equals absolute corruption.....
But are willing to look aside if it appears our guys are in control.....

I would be scared sheetless right now, if I didn't have the assurance of my faith.
This won't end well for many, sadly, however, it can't be stopped.


Sorry, but you can't pray this away.  If you hang your hat on faith alone - you will lose.... we will lose.

Your religion is not the only one.  Your beliefs are not the only one.  Your perspective is only yours.

Civilization has changed and this Planet is on the verge of of a new epoch.  Where it leads is anyone's guess, but as a society, people need to evolve beyond selfishness and xenophobia.


Pray away......huh?
Where did I say that?
Yes, the world, therefor lives, are changing.
You can find any rationale you need to justify your beliefs, everyone can, and that's the rub....
Who's belief then wins out when it conflicts with others?
Yes, the one with the most power, not truth.

Also, indeed the world is on a threshold of new technology.
Who decides who gets cloned, or who can live forever?
Certainly not everyone, the planet won't take such pollution, so the foot print of man will need to be lessened.
Who decides that?
Yes, he with the most power.

You think your belief of inclusion ( in your mind ) is a winner....
Yet a day will come when thinning of the herd will need to be enforced, as other consideration to those holding the power will need to effect.
It's human nature, survival....
It's as old as mankind and the deepest emotion, and instinct, that will prove his own demise.
You can argue otherwise, but this reasoning explains every war and confrontation, etc, since man was hatched.
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Reply #58 - 05/17/17 at 10:18:08
 
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No president in history has had the any party left or right flat out just stop showing up to cabinet member appointing hearings,


There is no difference that matters between the democrats and the republicans in congress or in the bureaucracy that really runs things.and they are all out to f*ck Trump no matter what he does or doesn't do. His biggest accomplishment may consist of making that fact apparent to any one paying attention. That's the only thing that might start this country on the road to positive change.

Trump himself may or may not go down in flames. Unless he takes the washington weasels down, with or without him, nothing changes, and the USA will just continue circling the drain.
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Reply #59 - 05/17/17 at 11:19:25
 
Jarhead-CO wrote on 05/17/17 at 09:35:13:
I didn't want to quote this while thing but I'm tired and need to read back over it. I know I'm being selfish Smiley . Ok I should have stated the military thing better.
breakingdefense.com/2016/02/feel-the-bern-what-a-sanders-military-might-look-...

Keyword on that article - MIGHT.  Bernie's first call to action is a republican's wet dream - cut waste.

He wants to significantly reduce the military to pre WW1 numbers and make massive cuts to spending. In turn the gear would be cheap and run down. Training would be severely diminished and the overall effectiveness would be cut down drastically.

Actually, the work of many of the bloated government contractors would be the first to go.  I'm not sure how you figure gear would suddenly get run down - but you've served.  I think that Bernie would want what's best for the service personnel.  After all, look at his policies on vets and the VA.

On wealth distribution, yes corporate taxes were cut but if Trump is able to push his tax act through you and I will be paying 5 maybe 10 percent which he'll yeah I'll take a 20% raise.

So would I!  But... how would we pay for it?  The latest budget from this president would increase the deficit to 2008 levels...

www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/713300?keywords=bernie-sanders-socialist-id...

Bernie Sanders is a socialist and yes I know the country is technically a democratic socialist state. People always bring up o Denmark has free education and healthcare for everyone, gov't run municipalities, police, fire etc.... Yeah they also pay a 60% income tax, I think I'll pass.

Again, not the policy of Bernie.  A simple base increase on taxable income would do wonders.  Unless you make more than $ 1 million a year, there would be zero effect on you.  

Again I agree with your views on minimum wage, only I will add that I believe it should also be based on cost of living per area. A person making 10 an hour in middle of nowhere Kansas can do somewhat okay. Living in New York city making 10 an hour is not possible.

Well, when I was in high school, I was making $4.25/hr.  I lived in bumble f nowhere.  I had maybe 50 kids in my class.  That same money would be about $10 in today's cash.

The average pay of oil deck hands is around 100k a year I wouldn't call that low.

You're the one that brought that up - I was building on your metaphor.  I personally think they deserve more than $100k

Trump is on track to be filibustered more than Obama. No president in history has had the any party left or right flat out just stop showing up to cabinet member appointing hearings, Trump STILL doesn't have his full team. Obama just didn't have the opportunity for a SCJ hearing, and don't give me that crap about Scalia no president has ever appointed a SCJ in the last year of thier term and the last time it happened to come up the democrats were the ones raising hell about it not being allowed.

When did Scalia die?  Obama had his pick.  There was absolutely no reason to deny a vote.  (it's easy to find guys like mitch the turtle basically saying "no" for no reason).  I afraid you are wrong there sir.

The budget meeting fiasco I agree was uncalled for I have no excuse nor would I make one for that.

Not for you to defend - you're a rational person.

Democrats and liberals have been screaming Impeachment before he was sworn in so don't give me that o but Mich said he was trying to make Obama a one term president There is way more pushback on trump then there ever was on obama.


With good reason - just look at what's going on with comey and russia!!  Not to mention maralago, loyalty pledges, open threats on twitter, no blind trusts, etc....

Seriously??  Don't make me take back the statement above.... Do you honestly think if Obama had been caught on tape talking about a girl thingy, that he would have ever survived?

Did you forget about the whole birth certificate?  Did you know that a majority of tweety supporters still think that Obama is a Muslim?  

Please....

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