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Reply #60 - 05/12/17 at 15:42:57
 
Thing is,... it isn't a choice of A or B... this or that...
The billionaire interests that sent our guys over there, and the problems that has created for vets and civilians are our responsibility...
We should help both.  
Big money interests profited from it, and they should give some back to take care of those they hurt.
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Reply #61 - 05/12/17 at 15:54:04
 
Serowbot wrote on 05/12/17 at 15:42:57:
Thing is,... it isn't a choice of A or B... this or that...
The billionaire interests that sent our guys over there, and the problems that has created for vets and civilians are our responsibility...
We should help both.  
Big money interests profited from it, and they should give some back to take care of those they hurt.

I'm not really sure what you are trying to say, kinda hard to follow. All I'm saying is let's take care of our own first, vets and civilians, but if your saying you want money poured into another country or citizens of other countries then no I can't get behind that. Even if we are part of the reason those countries are suffering we do enough around the world helping with natural disasters and man made disasters (oil spills). Now if those countries want to pay us to secure a city then by all means send the boys and sweep street to street house to house. If your good at something don't doit for free.
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Reply #62 - 05/12/17 at 16:25:19
 
Let's see, if I got this right.

Bring in Millions of  Refugees, who 15 +/-%  want to KILL US.
And  GIVE THEM  EVERYTHING FOR  FREE !!!!!!!!!!!!!

And the 40,000  VETS,  living under bridges,
    (Who Fought, and MANY  Died, to protect THIS, Nation)
             to hell with them, ?????
Shocked  Huh  Embarrassed  Undecided  

Good to know, how a  Lefty, Progressive, Ultra-Liberal, thinks.

Guess, if that person, 'Actually',  Believes, the current, 'Vetting'  process for  Refugees,  actually, works.
Than that person ALSO  believes their are 57 States in the USA,
   (After all,  his, 'savior', the 'Wanna  Be  King", Said so !




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Reply #63 - 05/12/17 at 17:02:42
 
T And T Garage wrote on 05/12/17 at 14:32:15:
pg wrote on 05/12/17 at 14:02:53:
T And T Garage wrote on 05/12/17 at 13:09:40:
You equate the US with other nations' standards.  The fact is - the US has a much more robust vetting procedure.

You have no faith in our vetting?  Do you think we're that careless?


The fact of the matter is we have little to no vetting procedure if millions of people have walked across our southern border.  Incidentally, I lived on the border for 4 years.  

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Illegals are not refugees - lol, by their very nature, they are not vetted - duh....

Try to stay on topic.  This is about vetting refugees.  And the (true) fact of the matter is that we DO have stringent vetting for the US.  



They are one in the same to me.  We have 95 million people who are not in the labor force, scores of homeless, we are broke, our infrastructure is rotting, and our inner cities are decaying.  We do not have the means to take care of our own citizens, let alone any additional liabilities.

Yes, it is my belief that a very significant portion of those refugees are just searching for a better life.  And many of those have no intention of assimilating to western cultural values.

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Reply #64 - 05/12/17 at 17:03:49
 
I am ABSOLUTELY clueless to Syria, etc, other than I know this problem has passed through different administrations, and it seems beyond our control, whatever that may be  Embarrassed

But I want to address intellectual honesty in arguing a point.
Trump wants vetting to extend restricting of immigration from some certain "hot spots"
We see TT basic argument is he thinks the resources already exists, etc, and tosses it back, saying you don't trust our goverment to be able to ascertain who is safe, and who is not....
And folk should not concerned, right?

OK, I remember an issue, that the left still won't give an inch on, and I must ask why.....
Is it because they don't trust the goverment to adhere to the law?
The issue was partial birth abortion.
Exhaustive studies showed clear evidence that these abortions were extremely rare, in cases were a pregnant woman had the need for it.
The facts showed it was for late term convenience, and not a threat to the woman's health.
Basically the final argument was, by the pro abortion folk, if they allowed restrictions on ANY type of abortion, they would soon outlaw ALL abortions....

So,do they not trust our goverment to uphold the law of the land?    

Sorry, wasn't trying to jack the thread, just hoping to elevate the exchange of POV's and beliefs, to a civilized manner, above the hyperbole, so maybe we can find common grounds, or in the least, appreciate the mental exercise, instead of racing to the lowest common denominator.

OK, back in my hole I go  Grin
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Reply #65 - 05/12/17 at 17:25:50
 

The  Constitution of the USA, does, NOT,  ‘Protect’, a  Non Citizen.


In the past, the USA, Has, extended the umbrella, of, ‘Rights’,
to some Asylum  Seekers,   (Didn’t have to, but did)  
Until the Asylum, seekers  were granted, Refugee Status, they were, ‘Helped’.
NOT,   ‘Protected’, under this  Nations  Constitution, Because they were not, (or yet)  Citizens.
But,  “Helped” !

Talk about,  ‘Protection’.  (These examples are all, ‘Citizens’)
      (And the, ‘unless’s’, a  refugee)
If one, stood in the Street, and had 100  EYE  Witnesses, and shot someone DEAD.
They are,   “NOT GUILTY”,  until proven,  Guilty,  in a Court of Law.
     YET !!!!!!
The Fishing Limit is 20 fish, you have 21 Fish.
 You are   “GUILTY”,  until YOU   Prove, your innocence in a Court.
     (Unless you are Mong, Somali, Muslim, then you get a  FREE  Pass)
If you owe the I.R.S.,   $1.00  More, than you put on your Taxes,
     (Unless you are Mong, Somali, Muslim, then you get a  FREE  Pass)
    You are   “GUILTY”,  until YOU   Prove, your innocence in a Court.
If you don’t dot the ‘I’, or cross the, ’T’, on a  4473 form,
   (B.A.T.F.E.   Firearms purchase)
 You are   “GUILTY”,  until YOU   Prove, your innocence in a Court.

Yet, because a, male ‘refugee’,  (NOT A  CITIZEN), sees a female, in a  scanty bikini,  they, have the, ‘right’, to Rape her, “Because it is not normal for them to see that’  ???????????

No, ‘Refugees’, do NOT, have the ‘rights’ of a  Citizen of THIS  Nation
    (Until they BECOME, a  Citizen)

Only the  Ultra-Left, Snowflakes, ‘Kum-By-You’ singers, and  Fairy Dust  Sprinklers,  think they should.

And yes, for the, ‘Underwear in a  Bunch Crowd’,
Their ARE,  ‘bad’, Citizens, that do bad things.
And when that happens, the ‘RIGHTS’, of the  REST, of the Citizens, are protected.

Well, until the: “ Ultra-Left, Snowflakes, ‘Kum-By-You’ singers, and  Fairy Dust  Sprinklers,”,
get in the way.   Because it is a,  ‘Refugee’ !!!!!!!!!
Because, Now, “It is NOT Their Fault”.
And they do Not, have to behave as a, ‘Citizen’, of the USA would.
BECAUSE, (now),  ’They are Not  Citizens’?

YET, the: “ Ultra-Left, Snowflakes, ‘Kum-By-You’ singers, and  Fairy Dust  Sprinklers”,
Want, Demand, CRY, to Give them   MORE,
Than  Citizens ?????????
Especially the ones living under Bridges?

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Reply #66 - 05/12/17 at 17:36:17
 
MnSpring wrote on 05/12/17 at 17:25:50:

The  Constitution of the USA, does, NOT,  ‘Protect’, a  Non Citizen.


In the past, the USA, Has, extended the umbrella, of, ‘Rights’,
to some Asylum  Seekers,   (Didn’t have to, but did)  
Until the Asylum, seekers  were granted, Refugee Status, they were, ‘Helped’.
NOT,   ‘Protected’, under this  Nations  Constitution, Because they were not, (or yet)  Citizens.
But,  “Helped” !

Talk about,  ‘Protection’.  (These examples are all, ‘Citizens’)
      (And the, ‘unless’s’, a  refugee)
If one, stood in the Street, and had 100  EYE  Witnesses, and shot someone DEAD.
They are,   “NOT GUILTY”,  until proven,  Guilty,  in a Court of Law.
     YET !!!!!!
The Fishing Limit is 20 fish, you have 21 Fish.
 You are   “GUILTY”,  until YOU   Prove, your innocence in a Court.
     (Unless you are Mong, Somali, Muslim, then you get a  FREE  Pass)
If you owe the I.R.S.,   $1.00  More, than you put on your Taxes,
     (Unless you are Mong, Somali, Muslim, then you get a  FREE  Pass)
    You are   “GUILTY”,  until YOU   Prove, your innocence in a Court.
If you don’t dot the ‘I’, or cross the, ’T’, on a  4473 form,
   (B.A.T.F.E.   Firearms purchase)
 You are   “GUILTY”,  until YOU   Prove, your innocence in a Court.

Yet, because a, male ‘refugee’,  (NOT A  CITIZEN), sees a female, in a  scanty bikini,  they, have the, ‘right’, to Rape her, “Because it is not normal for them to see that’  ???????????

No, ‘Refugees’, do NOT, have the ‘rights’ of a  Citizen of THIS  Nation
    (Until they BECOME, a  Citizen)

Only the  Ultra-Left, Snowflakes, ‘Kum-By-You’ singers, and  Fairy Dust  Sprinklers,  think they should.

And yes, for the, ‘Underwear in a  Bunch Crowd’,
Their ARE,  ‘bad’, Citizens, that do bad things.
And when that happens, the ‘RIGHTS’, of the  REST, of the Citizens, are protected.

Well, until the: “ Ultra-Left, Snowflakes, ‘Kum-By-You’ singers, and  Fairy Dust  Sprinklers,”,
get in the way.   Because it is a,  ‘Refugee’ !!!!!!!!!
Because, Now, “It is NOT Their Fault”.
And they do Not, have to behave as a, ‘Citizen’, of the USA would.
BECAUSE, (now),  ’They are Not  Citizens’?

YET, the: “ Ultra-Left, Snowflakes, ‘Kum-By-You’ singers, and  Fairy Dust  Sprinklers”,
Want, Demand, CRY, to Give them   MORE,
Than  Citizens ?????????
Especially the ones living under Bridges?



Hey buddy......

Why do I get this picture of you YELLING at your computer as your type out these replies  Grin
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Reply #67 - 05/12/17 at 17:47:20
 
Not really, I type them out on a  W.P.,  then cut and paste, then add the highlights.

Perhaps, all, 'this', style of type.
(Would take less time)
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Reply #68 - 05/12/17 at 18:35:48
 
MnSpring wrote on 05/12/17 at 17:47:20:
Not really, I type them out on a  W.P.,  then cut and paste, then add the highlights.

Perhaps, all, 'this', style of type.
(Would take less time)



Just pulling on your bobber  Grin

prolly has more to do with me than you  Wink
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Reply #69 - 05/12/17 at 18:53:01
 
raydawg wrote on 05/12/17 at 18:35:48:
" Just pulling on your bobber "

LOLOLOOLOL   As,  for   MANY   Years,   Starting with a  Caine Pole,
        Fishing,
The term,  (Often Repeated) was:
     ‘Watch Your Own  Bobber”

Now the term:  ‘Watch your OWN   Bobber”
Is  often, repeated, by a  couple, of, ‘Grumpy Old Men’
when fishing together.  (In Jest)
Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin
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Reply #70 - 05/12/17 at 19:14:34
 
MnSpring wrote on 05/12/17 at 18:53:01:
raydawg wrote on 05/12/17 at 18:35:48:
" Just pulling on your bobber "

LOLOLOOLOL   As,  for   MANY   Years,   Starting with a  Caine Pole,
        Fishing,
The term,  (Often Repeated) was:
     ‘Watch Your Own  Bobber”

Now the term:  ‘Watch your OWN   Bobber”
Is  often, repeated, by a  couple, of, ‘Grumpy Old Men’
when fishing together.  (In Jest)
Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin


Well this old grump can honestly say, when I watch your bobber, it gives me perspective, about mine.....

Sad to say, but as old men, we have a pretty good handle on the meaning of inevitable.....nothing new to learn about human nature, just sit back and watch it unfold.
You can still enjoy the surrounding and company, but thinking you can control the outcome honestly, well, now we've nodded off and are dreaming.....

HEY.....WAKE UP!!! Watch your bobber!  Grin

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Reply #71 - 05/15/17 at 18:40:26
 
Today, I have a very low probability of being bitten by a snake in my house.
I would expect that to continue to be the case unless I do something STUPID, like ADOPT SNAKES in my house.
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Reply #72 - 05/15/17 at 19:12:32
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/15/17 at 18:40:26:
Today, I have a very low probability of being bitten by a snake in my house.
I would expect that to continue to be the case unless I do something STUPID, like ADOPT SNAKES in my house.


Wow!  Great analogy!

Everyone knows that refugees are exactly like snakes!!
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Reply #73 - 05/16/17 at 18:09:51
 
Let’s see,
you have NO  Snakes in your house.
BUT, you,’ adopt’, a bunch, and put them in your basement.

Not knowing which ’snakes’, can KILL  you, or just wrap around your leg.

You are totally comfortable, with going down stairs, to change the furnace filter.
     (In your Bare FEET)

(Or is that a,  ‘you should do, but I don’t have to’,  thing)

As in, parroting, what someone else,  “TOLD You TO SAY” ?

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Reply #74 - 05/16/17 at 18:33:11
 
Here is the best anology....

You act accordingly to your beliefs, which promises 27 virgins if you sacrifice your life to the cause....
However, one of the forty has AIDS, and a whole host of other VD with her prize.
Is it worth it?
One outta forty, you game?  Grin
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