MMRanch wrote on 04/18/17 at 19:45:18:


Hmmmm.. never heard of explosive tip ammo before.  
I am not into guns for recreation, so I don't follow what is going on.

I shoot enough to keep my skills up, and I go to a range that doesn't get pissy about draw practice, double tap, rapid fire, etc.

While carrying my 9mm is not a problem, I might be interested in a .22 setup like that.  Need to do a bit of research.

Learn something new everyday.  Remembering it.. another story.  

Thanks for the invite Lancer. Actually I heard we were going to do some plinking at your place when we all show up next month and I did not want to be the only one without  a plinker.

Thanks to all for all the input, it has been educational. And yes I think I will stay away from the flintlock style gun. I am hoping to be able to get more than one shot off every minute.

If that HP22A is still available this weekend I think I will purchase it along with some ammo.

Tons of fun, either one. +1 on the range. Too many laws/rules have come to pass because of irresponsible shooters - i.e., road signs, neighbors barn, portable toilets, mail boxes, street lights, trees, neighbors pets, rival gangs - you get the idea. If the dummies keep it up, then law makers will shut us down. That said, my by far favorite is a S&W stainless steel .22 revolver "Kit Gun". I've had it since the '70s. It is flawlessly accurate and reliable. But, the best part? It will handle shorts, longs and LRs just fine, any make. Get a big box of 500 on sale, and have a blast. Semi autos are attractive, but some can be incredibly jammamatic. No fun. And even with a good one, so much power is lost cycling the action. Whatever you decide, tho, don't go cheap. There is some real junk out there to be had at a bargain. 20 years from now you won't miss the money, and you'll still have a honey.

Explosive  ammo.

Explosive  means  the projectile,  Explodes, on impact.
Those,   ‘Exploding’, on impact rounds, are regulated.
     (Ya won’t find them at  mart-mart)

There are/is,  ammo.
Where a Hollow Point projectile,  ‘Expands  very rapidly’. Depending on the design, of the hollow point.
And some manufactures, fill the H.P. cavity with a powder,  (Many kinds), and it compresses when hit, then as velocity falls,  (in the target), it returns to it’s normal size, very rapidly. giving the illusion that it is, ‘exploding’.

If someone made, true,  ‘exploding rounds’, they would not be selling them to you, unless you had a, ‘class 3’, (think  fully auto firearms).
(Or they will get  ‘free’, lodging, for 10+ years, at a government facility)

Their are very, fragile bullets, that break apart, at the slightest resistance, (inside the target).  The most famous one was the, ‘Glaser Safety Slug’.  Which was a fragile, covering, with a gel and # 12 size pellets inside, which would NOT, penetrate sheet rock,  but in a soft target all it energy would be dumped.

The term, ‘Explosive’, is a  marketing ploy.  Yes, they do, make a, (what looks like), a explosion.  But it is not.

The sad part is, the, Anti-Gunners out their, will pick up on the term, ‘EXPLOSIVE’.
And say: “See, See, See, I Told you So”  !!!!

You want, something to, ‘explode’,   Get, exploding targets, or get some,  ’Tannerite’.
Don’t know of ANY, indoor range that will allow that, and  Most, ‘Club’, outdoor ranges  forbid it.

Way back when it was still legal to shoot rats at the dump I would take one of the key chains made out of little metal balls, cut a ball off the chain and hold it in a .22 hollow point with some wax. What that load did to a rat was a sin.  
 I wouldn't think you would get much penetration on a large target but I bet it would really make a mess where it hit.
  Never underestimate a .22 LR.

There is an exception to a shotgun with less than a  29" overall and/or 18" barrel and the NFA $200 tax, 6-9 month wait.
The Mossberg 590 Shockwave. It is 26" overall with a 14" barrel.
Since is never had a shoulder stock installed, it is classified as a firearm, not a long gun or shotgun, so the 29"/18" NFA rule doesn't apply.
6 rounds of 12 ga that with the right technique can be fired one handed (but not recommended).

springman, did you get the HP22A?

IT's been a long while since I read the rules but I think it's 29'but it maybe 26 (not sure ) with not permit or special rules,but I am sure the barrel lengths are 16 rifle 18 shotgun I'm not sure if the inserts would be legal as they may not be full length(16')I prefer to cut down a wooden stock and use a good pad cut down,as this allows you to still shoulder the gun for a better aim.If you chose a rifle ,use or make a butt plate that's longer and a bi -pod on the fore stock ,to steady the gun for longer shots.

No, I did not get the gun this weekend. Dealer sells by appointment only and communicates by email only. He did not confirm our appointment and when I called the number it just said to send an email. The heck with him, I have found another local dealer that can get the gun for me (not in stock) for about $4.00 more than the first guy and the shop is closer to me.