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Side Stand Switch Diode?
04/06/17 at 09:59:50
 
I'm referring to the diagram in reply #4 here...
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It shows a diode from the switch to ground. Is there actually a diode built into this switch?
If so can this diode handle the current load of another relay in addition to the side stand relay?
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Re: Side Stand Switch Diode?
Reply #1 - 04/06/17 at 10:18:49
 
The diode is not built into the relay...it is a separate plug in part that plugs into a connector in the wiring harness.

I don't know what the capacity is/isn't.

Look at Post #3 in this thread.
http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=tech;action=display;num=1099317926
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Reply #2 - 04/06/17 at 11:10:31
 
Ok that's good to know. But the diagram shows a diode within the side stand switch itself in addition to the side stand diode....
That diode can probably handle another relay solenoids current but it might not be able to handle the reverse EMF (inductive kickback) from two solenoids. It's values were likely chosen based on the calculated reverse EMF of a single relay.
Looking at the diagram though I guess I can just connect the new relay solenoid to the black/orange line coming from the sidestand relay contacts for the same result and then I won't have to sweat about the diode. Or the voltage drop across the diode with two solenoid loads which might cause neither to energize.
If Suzuki had just used a double throw relay here they could have implemented the same switching result without lighting the neutral light when it isn't needed and saved themselves form needing those diodes.

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Reply #3 - 04/06/17 at 12:05:45
 
What are you up to?

You installing a Flux Capacitor?
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Reply #4 - 04/06/17 at 13:00:43
 
I guess you inferred this from my engine upgrades this past winter. Yes now that I can do a steady 88 mph I'm ready to go where you don't need roads....  Cheesy
when I get back you can take my flying LS650 for a spin.

The tinkering bug has me all worked up over that unused parking light in my headlight again. And I intended to take a stab at it once the weather permitted. I ordered a SPDT automotive relay and socket a few months back. time to put it to use.
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Reply #5 - 04/06/17 at 13:12:28
 
Can you use a transistor to switch the relay ?

You could use this schematic.



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Reply #6 - 04/06/17 at 13:24:01
 
There's no reason I couldn't use a transistor, but it would add complexity and take up more space (insulation, heatsink, clamper diode, etc.) so I'm just going to use existing switchgear on the bike.
Someone here had a good idea to use the parking circuit off of the ignition switch and that's obviously how the parking bulb is intended to be used but my use-case is a bit different.
I want the parking light lit and headlight off when the bike is running with the kickstand down so I'm not shining through my neighbors windows across the alley while warming the engine up before I ride at night.
Kick the stand up the headlight turns on and the parking light goes dark.
I made a post about it before but I'm darned if I can find it again.
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Reply #7 - 04/06/17 at 13:28:44
 
Just use the transistor as a buffer to drive the relay coil
Very little current, very little transistor ,, no heatsink required

Transistors used as a switch don't get (too) hot
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Reply #8 - 04/06/17 at 13:45:27
 
But a transistor large enough to handle the current for the headlight is going to get hot and need a heatsink.
Think of that SPDT relay I mentioned.
Center pole goes to +V
Top pole to headlight bulb
Bottom pole to parking light bulb

Solenoid powered from side stand relay.

The relay just switches one or the other bulb.
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Reply #9 - 04/06/17 at 13:51:32
 
You are missing my point

Have the side-stand relay power the small transistor which in turn powers the SPDT relay coil.
The side-stand circuit would even know the transistor was there  Wink
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Reply #10 - 04/06/17 at 13:51:38
 
However, I have to consider the highbeam switch too.
So I can go the other way.
The relay I add can make or break the ground path for either bulb.
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Reply #11 - 04/06/17 at 13:54:27
 
You are originally concerned if the sidestand circuit could handle another relay coil.

With the buffer transistor driving the SPDT coil it wouldn’t be hardly a load at all
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Reply #12 - 04/06/17 at 17:22:24
 
Sounds to me like somebody wants to end up in the dark trying to start the bike. Wink
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Re: Side Stand Switch Diode?
Reply #13 - 04/06/17 at 17:56:35
 
He's more concerned about the reverse EMF when the coil drops.
Put another diode in parallel?
Put a 16 volt Zener in parallel?
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Re: Side Stand Switch Diode?
Reply #14 - 04/06/17 at 18:23:28
 
philthymike wrote on 04/06/17 at 13:24:01:
I want the parking light lit and headlight off when the bike is running with the kickstand down so I'm not shining through my neighbors windows across the alley while warming the engine up before I ride at night.


The warm up shouldn't be any more than a minute, and the bike shouldn't be on the sidestand as the cam doesn't seem to get enough oil to the uphill side at idle speeds.  Get on the bike, start it, get it running and keep it at a fast idle with your throttle hand.....half a minute works fine to get the oil everywhere.....then ride off and be gentle on the throttle until engine is warmed up well.
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