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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28663 Tucson Az Gender:	Genuine 400 03/09/17 at 07:58:01 Pretty sharp bike.... http://www.scooterfile.com/oems/genuine-scooter-company/exclusive-first-ride-...
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springman Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2217 Spring, Texas Gender:	Re: Genuine 400 Reply #1 - 03/09/17 at 08:58:09 Wow! I could see myself on one of these!
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Ruttly Serious Thumper Offline Thumpers Rule Posts: 5109 Manteca , CA Gender:	Re: Genuine 400 Reply #2 - 03/09/17 at 10:15:20 What make and model is that? Engine has a Honda look !
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sjaskow - FSO Senior Member Offline Posts: 365 Frozen Tundra of MN Gender:	Re: Genuine 400 Reply #3 - 03/09/17 at 10:24:34 Ruttly wrote on 03/09/17 at 10:15:20: What make and model is that? Engine has a Honda look ! It's from the same company that makes the Genuine Buddy line of scooters. I remember most of the previews saying it'd be coming in 2016 but I haven't see any real word on them since 2015 or so.
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Reply #4 - 03/09/17 at 10:36:12

Looks good but those Chinese bike builders never develop a dealer or parts distribution network. But in the fifties and sixties it was the same way with some obscure central/eastern European and Italian bike brands. They were also small and inexpensive and kids rode them to destruction and simply trashed them when they needed serious repairs.

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Reply #5 - 03/09/17 at 10:54:02

butter smooth. Clutch-less upshifts were smooth, but there was something extra

On the way down through those five gears, the G400C was equally well-behaved. Thoughtful blips of the throttle were rewarded with nearly imperceptible down-shifts, but even without matching revs, the bike’s transmission was very smooth and forgiving while shifting down. Again, making this a

Apparently clutchless shifting isn't the
Breathless Ohh No that some people seem to believe. Clutchless downshifts on the Savage require a bit more finesse than upshifts to get smooth. Upshifts are easier to get smooth when engaged in Spirited riding. Virtually imperceptible pause in acceleration. If I'm in traffic or just riding like an old man, the clutch is involved.

So, it weighs about what a vespa weighs.
No idea what it weighs. Claimed 29 HP at the wheel. If true and it's substantially lighter, it should give us a run for the money.

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Reply #6 - 03/09/17 at 11:10:47

So according to the article/review, this is basically a Honda CB400SS updated knock-off, which I saw many of in Nairobi, Kenya. The Chinese company producing this bike also made the Honda for the international market. It looks like Genuine is trying to fill a neglected market in the US - 125cc to 500cc lightweight commuter bikes. I believe the big boys pulled out for lack of profitability. Big bikes sell for more, but have about the same production cost as smaller bikes (10-20% difference in materials cost while labor is about the same), but based on consumer perception and percentage mark-up bring in more $$$. In poorer countries, volume sales of smaller bikes make up the difference. Regardless, this bike looks good and is worth considering. Oh, yeah - I was an Accountant before I retired.

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Dave YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 18100 Camp Springs, Kentucky Gender:	Re: Genuine 400 Reply #7 - 03/09/17 at 12:05:47 The article was written November 2015, and the bike was a pre-production bike. I checked their website....doesn't look like they yet offer it for sale. http://www.genuinescooters.com/
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jcstokes Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com is very useful Posts: 2119 Mauku New Zealand Gender:	Re: Genuine 400 Reply #9 - 03/09/17 at 13:10:49 Someone on this forum recently pointed out that the Yamaha 400 hadn't been a sales success in the US market, I've no idea of it's sales in NZ, perhaps the Genuine people have done their research and concluded that the market niche maybe too small.
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HAPPYDAN Senior Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 270	Re: Genuine 400 Reply #10 - 03/09/17 at 17:41:34 Regarding the Yam SR400, a local shop still has a new 2015 for sale. Even after discounts, no takers.
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Reply #11 - 03/09/17 at 18:23:25

I've always been a fan of the SR500, the SR400 not so much. A friend of mine has a SR500 in a cafe style and it is stunning. The SR400 just appears bulbuls and cheap to me. It could easily be fixed, but I'd rather have a used 500 then a new 400.

Regarding the Genuine 400, it's a shame it wasn't imported. It's a good looking bike and Genuine promised some additional parts. It could have been a great bike for new riders and one that with the right factory support I'm sure would develop a cult following.

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IslandRoad Serious Thumper Offline It doesn't vibrate, it purrs! Posts: 1147 The Kiewa Valley, Australia Gender:	Re: Genuine 400 Reply #12 - 03/09/17 at 20:20:26 The 'Genuine' looks ALOT like the 'Nemesis', being released here in Australia this year: www.solinvictus.com.au/pages/the-nemesis
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Re: Genuine 400
Reply #13 - 03/10/17 at 01:01:04

engineer wrote on 03/09/17 at 10:36:12:

Looks good but those Chinese bike builders never develop a dealer or parts distribution network. But in the fifties and sixties it was the same way with some obscure central/eastern European and Italian bike brands. They were also small and inexpensive and kids rode them to destruction and simply trashed them when they needed serious repairs.

I object to that.

With the demise of Indian, the only motorcycle manufacturer left in the US was Harley Davidson.

In 1960 HD bought Aermacchi for pennies, and started importing a... castrated version of their 250cc and 350cc motorcycles.
I never really understood why the US needed buckhorn bars, a 4sp gearbox and less power than the European market, but that's the way it was.
The Aermacchi 350SS 4-stroke single could outrun, outbrake, outmanoeuver the contemporary 900cc Ironhead Sportster any time of the day - at least here in Europe.

Other Italian motorcycles were sold in the US, namely the famous Huh

Sears-Allstate Huh

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Known to the rest of the world as Piaggio Vespa, Gilera or Puch (austrian)

The truth of the matter is that, short of Triumph/Norton and BMW, European manufacturers found it much too expensive to ship budget-minded lower-end motorcycles overseas.
So you were flooded by the Japanese bikes, because YOU were the only Country they could really export to.
Communist China ? Viva Mao's bicycle!
India ? Too busy dodging holy cows...
Australia and New Zealand? Nice guys but a very small market.
U S A ? They won the war, were never bombed, ended the war richer than when they started...

YOU were the export market of choice !

The rest is history...

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Reply #14 - 03/10/17 at 06:09:30

And That, my friends, is what is often referred to as a different
Perspective.
Considering that it comes from a seasoned and well traveled foreigner, I'm gonna call it a more accurate lens to see things through.
I'd probably toss in some Tall Table Talk to flesh it out.

In the FWIW department, I was fishing and met a guy who decided he was gonna get a
Meaudursighkull. So, he went Right on down to the Harley Davidson gettinplace, and got himself a TwelveHunnert CC engine powered, half of a car , for his Starter Meaudursighkull.
Never even rode one before. The tales of terror and discomfort were entertaining. The pants flapping in the wind, and trying to hold on at sixty, too afraid to get it up to seventy.
Wow, at least he was smart enough to sell it.
I wonder if the salesman knew he had never ridden a bike.. I'm sure he did, your riding history just might be part of the convo..

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