JOG gets it,... Web don't...
.... and I am guilty as well...
This election has degraded the conversation...

Reset...
We are a rider, Savage fan, site first and foremost...
The TT is free topic and language... but respects members.

Riders first... politics are secondary...

We know when we are being personally insulting...
We are intelligent people.

I am a muppet 'cause it's funny... I find muppet jokes funny when they are not mean spirited.
...but don't be mean spirited...
You know the difference..
Don't play dumb...
We don't have to walk on pins to be respectful...
Just respect your fellow riders.

I think it's fair to say that the Tall Table exists because I wouldn't stop posting political crap in the cafe and lobbied for a section where the Rodeo mentality would be okay. Lots of people don't come here. They stick with RSD and the cafe. The idea that just because it's not ever gonna be perfect and some points have been made concerning the bitterness and general nastiness that we've started talking to each other with should be dealt with by just ending the TT is just one more example of feelings being the basis for a decision rather than logic. Anyone who is so dissatisfied with the place is free to not come in.
I'd hate to see Ray leave. I've been working on a cryptographic key to decipher his posts and it's about 2/3rds done. But, if people only see the TT as entertainment, odds are they aren't trying to explain clearly a principled viewpoint or are willing to see something, be intrigued and do some hunting for information and maybe learn something that could possibly change or sharpen an opinion.
Nothing disheartens me or squelches my desire to be here like the unwillingness shown to expose yourselves to the freely available, no reading required, interviews with Charlotte Iserbyt. That tells me that all most of you really want to do is believe you know and others don't.
Challenging me to study the foundations of dems and bubs to sway me to a path I used to walk and abandoned both after I started finding information that makes DC nothing more than a puppet show and pretending that because I won't study a path I've already tried is reason to Not look at something you've never looked at isn't as reasonable as you think.

Emergency War Powers

Find out about it. It's why we no longer declare war. It May be the reason Watchdog Agencies, like the EPA, can create Guidelines that are effectively Law, without Congress voting.
The TT is a place where we can say things that AREN'T fun and Aren't MC related. And, like the cartoon wolf and sheepdog, they clock in and it's Game On, but when they clock out, they're cool. We can go at it tooth and claw in here, but if I know how to help you fix a problem in RSD , I'm gonna be there for ya,

MnSpring wrote on 02/16/17 at 10:44:38:

T'wasn't the muppet, it was me.  I have a delete key and an edit button, don't make me use them.
And yes, you need to be reminded of the rules every so often.
So cry your little cry, whine your little whine, in a day or so it'll be alright.

I'm aware of the times when I get personal. And sometimes the topic is controversial and it can get frustrating for everyone involved. I get particularly frustrated when the points I'm trying to make aren't just some parroted talking points, but historically proven. I didn't write the strategy for sinking a society by overloading the societal safety nets. But since that paper Was written, rather than using it as a description of a devastating problem to avoid, policies have been made and followed that would Do what Cloward and Piven wrote about doing in order to bring a caring, loving, socialist society to its knees.
Will anyone bother to read it? I don't see any people saying what they learned.
Isn't anyone,especially those of us who are Constitutionally minded, even curious enough about me How such glaringly unconstitutional things like going to war without a Congressional declaration of war can be the norm? Who has time to find out about the Emergency War Powers that were enacted in 1933? Why not spend a few hours looking at things we weren't taught in school and stop pretending that we were educated when we were indoctrinated? It's not necessarily a permanent thing. We Can find answers to questions, for now. The end of NN may make it harder to find things.
I know for Fact that an Andrew Jackson quote has been scrubbed. I used to C AND P it often. Now I can't find it anywhere. The corruption is so pervasive that I doubt anyone can turn us away from the cliff. Anyone who dares doesn't seem to live long.

verslagen1 wrote on 02/16/17 at 10:53:23:

T'wasn't the muppet, it was me.  I have a delete key and an edit button, don't make me use them.
And yes, you need to be reminded of the rules every so often.
So cry your little cry, whine your little whine, in a day or so it'll be alright.

T'wasn't the muppet, it was me.  I have a delete key and an edit button, don't make me use them.
And yes, you need to be reminded of the rules every so often.
( The Rules:  “This is an Loosely-Moderated Section. This means that you are responsible for you own behaviour and the content and tone of your discussions, but also the future of this Forum. While we will not actively moderate this forum, abusive behaviour and illegal activity will be shut down.” )
So cry your little cry, whine your little whine, in a day or so it'll be alright.

Let’s see.   I  can  NOT,  say:   ’Snowflake, Pumpkin, Sweetie’.
Yet you can call me:   (To  Me,  a  member of this Forum)
A,   “Cryer &  Whiner”.  
     OK,  Got it.

It is very much like, a  person, who has a  completely,
‘Anti-Gun’, position.
Going to a  Gun Club, where their are 100’s of people on a Sunday afternoon,
All Shooting a firearm of various sorts.
And saying:  “Non of you should have Guns”.

Absolutely,  (No Doubt whosoever), they will be, ‘greeted’, with ALL  sorts of  counter opinions.
And no doubt, their would be words, like:  ’Snowflake,  Pumpkin, Sweetie’, spoken.
Then they get into their car, (or on their MC), and go away.
Thinking;   “Boy were all those people Axx Holes”.

Now, say, a person, goes to a,  ‘peaceful march’,
(Where they are  Looting, Steeling, Burning, Shouting Death threats, etc)
And does the same thing in reverse ?
They won’t be driving away in anything, unless it is a corners van, if lucky a  ambulance.

( No reasonable person, of either POV,  would go, to a gathering of the opposite, POV)

So this site,  this  TT,  part of this Forum.
Where it is said: “While we will not actively moderate this forum, abusive behavior and illegal activity will be shut down.".

So saying:   ‘You are a  Snowflake for believing that”.
     Is it ‘ abusive’ ?
Saying:   “cry your little cry, whine your little whine”’
     Is is, NOT,   ‘abusive’ ?

Have never seen any, illegal activity.
Apparently though,  ‘abusive behavior’, depends  entirely of  one persons  POV.

And  by  the, Facts, from posts on this   Forum, (the TT part),
abusive behavior, is  calling one  a, ’snowflake  etc’.
But  NOT,  saying: “cry your little cry, whine your little whine”.

That being said,   Who, do I,  ‘Complain to’,
for saying the words: “cry your little cry, whine your little whine”.
When those words, are   DEEPLY   Offensive to  ME ?

After all, I have   LEARNED,
a  certain, ‘Flag’, or a certain, ‘food’  or a certain, ‘way of life’,
Is   Hugely,   ‘Offensive’,   (to me).
Therefore,  I,  ‘DEMAND’, YOU   Change !

Yea, you get the point !

  Censorship, no mater how it is, ‘masked’,
     No  matter how, ‘Politically  Correct’,
        No Matter how  it  ‘appeases’, the vocal  Minority,
             it is,  still,  Censorship !

T'wasn't the muppet, it was me.  I have a delete key and an edit button, don't make me use them.
And yes, you need to be reminded of the rules every so often.
So cry your little cry, whine your little whine, in a day or so it'll be alright.


Another Snowflake? Is it a prerequisite for moderators to have the double standard of university Poly-Sci professors? And a particularly condescending fragile little snowflake at that.

Just so I'm clear, Sew can call me racist or a teabagger all day but I can't refer to him as a snowflake?

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 02/16/17 at 23:48:26:

If you can find a place that is total freedom, let me know.

Lets  take,  ‘Murder’ as a example.

VERY, Long time ago, no laws,
Someone in a cave, hit a,  ’snowflake’, over the head with a rock.
Killed him/her, and ate them, because it was winter, and they needed protein to survive.
  ’Total  Freedom”

 Now, today, their are laws,  (can’t do that),
Yep, it is  giving up a freedom, for a greater good.
 (Which,  99.99%  of people agree on)

But today, giving up a,  freedom, of how to live your life.
Giving up a  ‘freedom’, to ‘appease’,  ILLEGALS.
Giving up a, ‘freedom’, to, ‘appease’, people, who do not like your words.

Tough   Shi&   !!!!!!!!!!

“give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither”
As said by a  founder of,   THIS,   Nation !

Every day,  ’snowflakes’, come up with a, ’thing’, which is:
‘give up a freedom, for the sake of security',
    (Or,  Politically  Correct, or hurt the feelings of  the, ’snowflakes’,  or a  ‘political  Position’, which only puts money in their  pockets, etc, etc, etc, )

At which point,  does the  Frog, in the cold water,  (which is  S L O W E L Y, raised and dies),
Do you have,    NO,   Freedom,
as to the,  ‘Politically  Correct”,  “World Order”,   Etc. etc. etc. ?

So  JOG,  my question back is,  When is enough, enough?

Remember, we aren’t at,  ’Star-Teck’  Yet   !